Nordic Ghost Yeti (Scandi Carroll) | Haaland at City
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Who is?
In my opinion it's probably Mbappe though you could still make an argument for Messi
He's going to win them the CL isn't he. He is looking like he will be the best pure striker the PL has ever seen. Players like Ruud, Aguero and Shearer have longevity on their side but nobody has been this dominant so quickly. He's only got to get 5 goals in their last 9 games to break the league record, and there is some real cannon fodder in those 9 opponents.
People really need to think about the "hes not the best footballer" argument.
Whats the point of that? So we say Mbappe is better because he has better step overs? Do step over goals give more points?
Right now nobody can do the same destruction he is doing. It doesnt matter how he do it or not.
In the end it is the goals that count, and he seems unstoppeball now.
De brunye got injured yesterday. Apparantly Haaland cant score without him. Well he both assisted and scored. It didnt stop City one bit.
If Haaland got injured, they probably wouldent have won 3-0.
And yeah, it really is harder in the Premier League. Imagine if Haaland played for PSG in ligue 1, Or Bayern in Germany, or Madrid or Barcelona. He would most likely have more goals.
Whats the point of that? So we say Mbappe is better because he has better step overs? Do step over goals give more points?
Right now nobody can do the same destruction he is doing. It doesnt matter how he do it or not.
In the end it is the goals that count, and he seems unstoppeball now.
De brunye got injured yesterday. Apparantly Haaland cant score without him. Well he both assisted and scored. It didnt stop City one bit.
If Haaland got injured, they probably wouldent have won 3-0.
And yeah, it really is harder in the Premier League. Imagine if Haaland played for PSG in ligue 1, Or Bayern in Germany, or Madrid or Barcelona. He would most likely have more goals.
I think if a player scores 45 goals in one season he's definitely in the content for the best player in the world.
His game may not be aesthetically pleasing like Mbappe or Messi, but he is super effective.
What are the other names in the content now? Because I can easily see Haaland vs Benzema at the end of the season, depending how CL is concluded.
I personally think a huge reason Haaland is scoring so much is because of Pep. I think the only club he replicates this output is Bayern because of the bundesliga space
Goal and assist from Haaland, the assist particularly impressive.
One thing I noticed aside from his scoring Haaland helps in the defensive phase from the front, chasing down, despite his lofty reputation. In comparison to Mbappé in the same position would he press the same way or walk around? It doesn’t make him a liability in build up. He’s not above grinding for the team.
One thing I noticed aside from his scoring Haaland helps in the defensive phase from the front, chasing down, despite his lofty reputation. In comparison to Mbappé in the same position would he press the same way or walk around? It doesn’t make him a liability in build up. He’s not above grinding for the team.
World football obsession with stats. 2>1 so my player is better because of numbers, nothing else matters.
Was Kevin Philips one of the best players in the world? Henrik Larsson? Mario Jardel? Ciro Immobile? Giuseppe Signori? Filippo Inzaghi?
Nobody thought of these players as the best in the world. But they got credit for being great goal scores, where is their place like Haaland.
It's entirely subjective really, always has been. It's whether in your opinio you consider him to be the best player or the best footballer. Personally I think he's an awesome striker, great finisher, has great movement, finds space, dominates his opponents with ease and he works hard for the team. The problem is, he plays for City and there's just nothing likeable about him.
I'd consider KDB as one of if not the best football players in the world, he might not be the best player, but he's ultimately a much better footballer than Haaland. Even Mbappe, Benzema are better all round footballers than Haaland.
Haaland is the best goalscorer at the minute. It's just like what Ronaldo did at Real when he was winning the Ballon D'Or. Still people argued over who was better, him or Messi. Even though Messi all round was and is a much better footballer overall.
If City win the CL, then he'll probably win Ballon D'Or this year or whatever it's called now. Still people will say that he's not the best player in the world.
It comes down to who can go to one of the big leagues and perform.
Haaland has and is doing it in ridiculous fashion.
Mbappe you would assume could do it, but its no guarantee until he does. For me he has become over reliant on his pace in France because he has no need to develop anything else. Haaland under Guardiola has already begun to improve the weaker areas of his game.
Messi is winding down now, so he is out. He effectively rested himself for a last go at the WC. No great shame after the career hes had but physically he wouldn't be up to a top league season anymore.
Either way its between Mbappe and Haaland and nobody else.
Say he breaks 50 goals for a season and City win that treble - Ballon D'Or incoming?
I would tend to agree but Mbappe is playing horribly at the moment whereas Haaland is just getting into top gear. I've compared Mbappe's big game prowess favourably to Haaland's in the past; I'm totally willing to revise that if Haaland brings home the bacon for City this year.
Only thing is that he do it everywhere.
For National team, for Dortmund, for City, for Salzburg, for Molde.
Pep has only been with him for the last 10 months. Its kinda strech giving Pep that much for it. I would get you if he started scoring in City. But he has done it for years.
Yeah that's true. His stats in previous clubs are pretty similar to what he has at City. 8 goals in 6 games for Salzburg in the CL
Youve just summarised every best player in the world debate ever.
Haalands Job is to score and there is nobody better than him at it.
IMO there can never be a best player, we must look at best player in their respective positions
I'd rather Balon d'Or was given to the best goalscorer than keep being the 'well who won the most trophies last year' shiteshow it's become.
That said, Messi is still the deserving winner of the next one because he's still producing at an outrageous rate and had a good World Cup. But Haaland chose to come to the PL while Mbappe chose to stay where it was easy, and that should count for something.
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If people are looking to put their Messi vs Ronaldo hats on a new rivalry though and make the argument that Mbappé is the Messi vs Haaland is the Ronaldo, it just doesn’t fit the same way.
The difference though is that while Mbappé is more technically accomplished, the gap is not big as comparing standard strikers with Messi was. It’s not like Mbappé is a world-class passer and one of the best dribblers ever to go with the goalscoring.
In fact Mbappé’s biggest attribute is his incredible pace which makes him a danger in every match he plays. So it’s a physicality thing. But Haaland’s pace is also a big attribute of his, especially when it goes with his strength and height.
Disagree with 90% of what you've said here. First of all, City can play without either Haaland or KDB, their squad is that stacked. Secondly, If you're talking about who the best striker in the world is, goals and numbers are paramount. If you are talking about who the best player in the world is then you obviously have to consider many other factors.
Dont think so, club football takes a backseat when there is a world cup, Messi will probably win it still.
That just seems to be the way it is going.
Boils down to personal preference really. Mbappé is probably the more technically accomplished player, he's easier on they eye and all that.
But, I'd prefer Haaland in my team to Mbappé. Mbappé can be stopped more easily by sitting deep and getting bodies behind the ball. Nobody has figured out how to stop Haaland yet, you sit deep he's going to beat you in the box with his height, strength and movement, go high he'll beat you in behind with his pace. Maybe, you want to try to stop his supply at source, might work if you are playing Norway, at City it is just a waste of time, they'll have too many good players in midfield and they'll just play around you.
His goal output has been the same for his entire senior career independet of club or national team. Its increasing because the player is doing what most elite players do, they develop and become better players with age.
I mean obviously playing for a great team helps, but we are not going down the route of "Kane would do the same for City" again as Im sure someone is about to suggest
In his first season in the Premier League. And there's still long way to go. Best player in the world by quite a margin.
No ways Messi doesn't win it after finally winning a WC. Fairytale.
Messi will win the Balon Dor.
But not a chance he deserves it over Haaland for this season imo.
Anything Messi does in the league is basically irrelevant due to the lack of competition and a world cup is not enough games to earn a Balon Dor alone.
Right now I don't see an argument for a different winner to Haaland for this season.
But not a chance he deserves it over Haaland for this season imo.
Anything Messi does in the league is basically irrelevant due to the lack of competition and a world cup is not enough games to earn a Balon Dor alone.
Right now I don't see an argument for a different winner to Haaland for this season.
For me best player in the world is measured in terms of how good the player excelled in his role over others, and how dominate the player is, and how unstoppable he is on delivering on the pitch.
Haaland is no doubt to me the best player in the world this season, because there is simply no one who could stop him from doing what he is doing at the moment - scoring goals and winning games in an unstoppable manner.
Sure he could not dribble like Messi nor doing stepovers and run with the ball in electrying pace like Mbappe. But why is this necessary, when he could literally scoring hattricks and bullying against any defence in the world, with opponents ending up crying on the floor with no idea how to stop him.
Haaland is no doubt to me the best player in the world this season, because there is simply no one who could stop him from doing what he is doing at the moment - scoring goals and winning games in an unstoppable manner.
Sure he could not dribble like Messi nor doing stepovers and run with the ball in electrying pace like Mbappe. But why is this necessary, when he could literally scoring hattricks and bullying against any defence in the world, with opponents ending up crying on the floor with no idea how to stop him.
Without a doubt and it would be deserving
If you score 50 goals and win a treble it should be a landslide…scary thing is he could get 55-60 yet
He is the best player in the world. Maybe not in technical ability, there are better players in that regard.. but in simply being effective and winning you games, he is the best. He is a cheat code.
the whole point of football is to score more goals than the opposition, everything else is secondary. No one scores goals like this guy, he is a freak. If he carry’s on at this rate he will break Ronaldo and messi records.
the whole point of football is to score more goals than the opposition, everything else is secondary. No one scores goals like this guy, he is a freak. If he carry’s on at this rate he will break Ronaldo and messi records.
Yeah, it’s much more like Henry vs. Ruud. And at the time some people thought Ruud was better for the same reasons they think Haaland is better now. They like the ruthless efficiency. But most people prefer players with a more rounded game. They’re not inventing reasons to choose someone else, it’s not an argument to win, people just have preferences.
But it wouldn't be a World Cup alone would it? It would be a World Cup plus a World Cup golden Ball, plus a World cup silver boot, plus reaching 800 career goals, plus reaching 100 International goals, plus a ligue un trophy, plus probably team of the season honours there plus having the most goal contributions in Europe for club and country this season (50+....even for just club he's on 19 goals and 18 assists). And Haaland at the moment has nothing apart from goals and the goal record. There is a LOT of work for City to do to win ANY of the trophies they are up for.
Playing for Manchester City in the PL still qualifies as easy, really. You actually average more points per season over the last 5 years than PSG, and scored more goals, too.
His goal contributions are in Ligue 1, you would expect him to have a few there, considering that the league is, well, not very good.
Haaland's goal contributions are much more impressive since its in the EPL.
800 career goals and 100 international goals is irrelevant to an award that is based on a a single year.........
Messi has been very good no doubt but scoring and assisting in Ligue 1 just ain't comparable to Haaland doing it in the Prem and CL
I don't think those achievements are relevant but I think if City win the CL & PL then anyone other than Haaland winning it would be a farce. A lot left to play for like you said so ending up this season with nothing or only the FA Cup and I think Messi takes it.
I agree with alot here, BUT Haaland has some of the highest top speed out there. And hes acceleration is insane for a big guy.
Even if City only win one of the Prem or the CL that easily cancels out Messi winning the World Cup in terms of an individual award.
Although I've never bought into the nonsense that trophies should be the deciding factor in an individual performance award.
If Haaland got injured and City win nothing that wouldn't change what he has done for instance.
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No way Haaland wins it with just EPL or UCL, he needs both, might even need the treble to take it.
Probably but that's a poor metric to base it on really.