Yeah for now it has importance but it's not guaranteed it will in future. If you go back to pre war times there were European tournaments like Mitropa cups etc which were a really proud achievement. No one knows they ever existed now. Even the older European Cup gets overshadowed by the modern CL and similar for English top tier and PL. Whether it's just marketing or there's any substance behind considering them superior is irrelevant because these achievements will keep getting updated in terms of formats, composition etc. The importance of any tournament also depends a lot on how many iterations there have been and it will generally dilute with each iteration. At the time Pele won three World cups, there had been a total of 9 World cups in the history of the sport, and three of them were before the world war. So one player having won a third of the entire competition history or half of the modern history was pretty mental. Now it's gone on for far more, records and teams keep getting added. Having won three is still a great record but the likes of Diego with one win are pretty fragile.
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Yeah and that is nothing but anecdotal.
Holla!I wouldn't vice versa to be honest. The idea of a powerful AI trained with your bottomless ignorance is pretty frightening
A few observations about him.
He's not the complete package in his game and may never be but a few years of working with Pep will enable him to be as good as he is capable of being.
His size and physique is both a blessing and a curse. A blessing in muscling opponents out of the way enabling him to score more often but on the down side it leaves him vulnerable to injury and possibly a shortened career. In mitigation City's medics and data scientists will manage his game time to try to offset this.
He's a high character player. Loved by his teammates and club execs. He doesn't want to be the big cheese in the dressing room and influence how the club is run unlike some of the people he's being compared to. That counts for something in making a successful team as well as a harvester of individual records.
He's not the complete package in his game and may never be but a few years of working with Pep will enable him to be as good as he is capable of being.
His size and physique is both a blessing and a curse. A blessing in muscling opponents out of the way enabling him to score more often but on the down side it leaves him vulnerable to injury and possibly a shortened career. In mitigation City's medics and data scientists will manage his game time to try to offset this.
He's a high character player. Loved by his teammates and club execs. He doesn't want to be the big cheese in the dressing room and influence how the club is run unlike some of the people he's being compared to. That counts for something in making a successful team as well as a harvester of individual records.
Apart from the hours and hours of footage of Messi on youtube and other platforms just dribbling players for fun. Of course the goals is a major part of his legacy but its his whole package that makes you want to watch him. With Haaland, he is a freak poacher but i dont feel need to watch very often apart from the odd very good goal.
This is wrong.
There is even a chance Mbappe, Kvaratskhelia, Pedri, and Musiala win a Balloon D'Or before Haaland does, especially if City doesn't win anything other than an eventual FA Cup.
If Haaland goal records end with zero relevant trophies for City, not many people will care how many tap-ins he scored. Precisely because players like him need to back up his goal records with trophies.
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That wasn't my premise.
Playing for City under Pep can only increase Haaland's chance of winning trophies and Ballon D'Or.
| Player | Odds | Probability |
|---|---|---|
| Lionel Messi | 1.20 | 83.3% |
| Erling Haaland | 6.0 | 16.7% |
| Kylian Mbappe | 12.0 | 8.3% |
| Karim Benzema | 19.0 | 5.3% |
https://www.football365.com/news/ballon-dor-2023-favourite-messi-mbappe-haaland
This Haaland is a tap-in merchant will never not be pointless thing to say. As Im sure 900 people have pointed out: If it was so easy, everyone would do it.
But, pertaining to the Ballon Dor, its not really a requirement for "a lot of people" to care, as long as the sport journalists, coaches and national team captains pay attention. I would agree that the team would need to at least make a final though.
He used his phone while driving! I think an 8 month ban should suffice?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21852029/erling-haaland-phone-driving-man-city/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21852029/erling-haaland-phone-driving-man-city/
Van Basten was plenty impressive to watch and I'm sure a lot of people told their kids about him. Muller is perhaps less easy on the eye.
We're entering an exciting new era of Ballon D'Ors now where it will likely not be boringly dominated by two players and there are a number of candidates for the prize. I think Haaland is way ahead of most of the players you've named in the Ballon D'Or pecking order though. His profile is just much higher than all of them apart from Mbappe.
Unless Mbappe win the CL with PSG, or European Champion/World cup with France, his chance winning the Ballon D'Or is minimal playing in Ligue 1.
I mean i get that it's hyperbole and you're just trying to make a point but if he does score 200 goals in a season he's the best ever and that's that
Of course he won't though, that's impossible. I mean even assuming, say 80 games in a season, that's an average of 2.5 goals per game. His teams are winning literally every game
@Brwned Meazza won 2 world cups. Just saying...
He could be the best ever and I still wouldn't love watching him as a player.I mean i get that it's hyperbole and you're just trying to make a point but if he does score 200 goals in a season he's the best ever and that's that
Of course he won't though, that's impossible. I mean even assuming, say 80 games in a season, that's an average of 2.5 goals per game. His teams are winning literally every game
1934 world cup was boicotted by England, Scotland, Uruguay and Argentina sent a b-team after Italy took and registered their 3 best players as italians and used them on their team instead, also famous for Mussolini buying the refs (many of the refs were banned for refing in their home nations after the world cup because they were so obviously biased for Italy)
Yea Italy got their win but prob not one to brag about, exept the new ww formation Pozzo came up with (he played 2-3-2-3 while most teams still played 2-3-5, no wonder strikers scored so many goals pre ww2)
38 WC they won fair, but again many teams did not play because of the situation in Europe
Oh yeah, one as the unofficial best player and one as captain as I remember it. There’s plenty of reason for his legendary status. Scored loads of goals too. It’s just that he isn’t remembered because of the goals he scored, and it doesn’t really seem like the players that stand the test of time are the ones who set goal scoring records. Sometimes they overlapped and often they didn’t. It just seems like a big stretch to suggest it’s what really counts, at the end of the day.
Eeeeh. Think about it. Pelé, Messi, Cruyff, Di Stefano, Cristiano, Van Basten, Eusebio, Zico, Platini, Puskas....most of the consesus top 10-20 greatesy players all time were incredible goalscorers. Maradona was a great goalscorer too everywhere but at Napoli, where he still put generally very good to great numbers anyways in domestic competition
Maradonna scored a decent amount for Napoli as an attacking midfielder in the side that wasnt a superteam in the worlds toughest league.
We dropped 5 points because this wanker wasn’t there to finish all the crazy chances ffs.
The irony is that he’ll probably pick up 6 points for using his phone while driving when he should’ve been collecting those points on the pitch instead.
The irony is that he’ll probably pick up 6 points for using his phone while driving when he should’ve been collecting those points on the pitch instead.
Sure. Being a great goalscorer is a highly valued trait. It just isn’t the only thing that stands the test of time. Anyone talking about those bunch if players would tend to throw Beckenbauer in there too. I would. No big deal.
Just read that he's established a company in tax haven Luxembourg with daddy Alf as CEO. Because of course he has.
Of course. The apple doesn't fall far from the cnut.
Also using his phone while driving... I hope they give him the chair
An investment company for international investment. He still pays taxes on salaries made in the UK.
The sponsor money will unquestionably go to that entity though.
Do you think guys like Di Stefano or Cruyff even come up in the discussion when talking about the greatest ever player in a popular vote, let alone dudes like Beckenbauer? It was pretty much Pele and Maradona for years before Cristiano and Messi came along and that's literally it.
Here's an actual poll by a sports network.
Should people who use their phones while driving ever be allowed to play in the PL or CL ever again?
The correlation for most is rather obvious, unless we are here to debate for the sake of it.
They shouldn't, and any player caught listening to Imagine Dragons should be banned from football for 5 years
Romario and Gerd Muller would be streets ahead of Maradonna if it was all about goals.
Anyway before when voting is done by sports journalists it was mostly always
1. Pelé
2. Maradonna
3. Cryuff
4. Di Stefano
5. Beckenbauer
Evidence?
I can remember someone posting all this in another thread where another poster claimed that Cryuff was never nr. 3 but all the polls from back then showed he was. Not sure im able dig it all up unless u can remember which thread it was in.
Fifas player of the century has 2 editions. 1st one reflects what you say more apart from Maradona being nr. 1 whilst the Fifa readers and Jury top 5 was
1. Pele
2. Di Stefano
3. Maradona
4. Beckenbaur
5. Cryuff
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Who cares about these polls, seriously
These polls most likely reflect recency bias of what people saw in their lifetime, and not many 50 years old who watched Maradona use Twitter.
You can create a poll, asking who's the best musician/band ever, with the options: The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Justin Bieber, and Ed Sheeran...and there is no doubt either Justin or Ed win the poll, considering the huge amount of people under 30 that use Twitter.
It's not that deep.
Its a bit like Beckham. A lot people who didnt know much about football thought he was the best in the world because he was the most famous.
Minimum.
I disagree. Players are not remembered by stats but by moments and games. For example Messi will be remembered by his crazy goals and skills. How many goals he scored and trophies he won is of secondary importance. When you think of Maradona the first thing that comes to mind is the hand of god and the goal vs England for example and not how many goals he scored. If you remember great players for their stats then you are watching football through an Excel sheet.
Apart from Fifas players of the century, this magazine also have one and its more or less the same. Top 5 was mainly pele, maradona, cryuff, beckenbaur and di stefano before Messi and Cristiano. I wish i could remember who posted all the old prestigious polls
http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamHons/HonsWldSocPlyrsCent.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65060450
Good read. Will be interesting to see how far he can get this season. Still a possible 18 games or so IIRC?
Good read. Will be interesting to see how far he can get this season. Still a possible 18 games or so IIRC?