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What a big collapse of a giant, Liverpool being dumped out of the CL..

No matter where they finish this season we'll have been more successful than them in the CL.. so the trend of us looking down on them will continue for atleast one more season..

This is truly a good day..

But does raise a question, so does it really mean than if you want to go far in the CL you have to sacrifice your own domestic league?

Liverpool's formation seems to be right for the EPL, but completely off for the CL.. any opinions?
 
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Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>What a big collapse of a giant, Liverpool being dumped out of the CL..

No matter where they finish this season we'll have been more successful than them in the CL.. so the trend of us looking down on them will continue for atleast one more season..

This is truly a good day..

But does raise a question, so does it really mean than if you want to go far in the CL you have to sacrifice your own domestic league?

Liverpool's formation seems to be right for the EPL, but completely off for the CL.. any opinions?</strong><hr></blockquote>

:confused: Should we happy if Liverpool win the league at the end of the season and we proceed a little further than Liverpool in CL? I certainly not. Fact is that PL is their first priority while CL is our (or Fergie's) first priority. So if Liverpool win the PL, we cannot say we are "more successful" than them, if we can't win the CL ourselves.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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:confused: Should we happy if Liverpool win the league at the end of the season and we proceed a little further than Liverpool in CL? I certainly not. Fact is that PL is their first priority while CL is our (or Fergie's) first priority. So if Liverpool win the PL, we cannot say we are "more successful" than them, if we can't win the CL ourselves.</strong><hr></blockquote>

good point, but you see.. i have complete faith we will go pretty far in the CL.. if it's one thing SAF knows, he certainly knows how to take us very very far in the CL.

The league i'm not thinkin much about anymore at this point.. our performances are not exactly worth our headaches.. i just hope we put up the best performance and not make it easy for arsenal and liverpool. that'll be good enough for me this term. i just want quality performances to come back.
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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good point, but you see.. i have complete faith we will go pretty far in the CL.. if it's one thing SAF knows, he certainly knows how to take us very very far in the CL.

The league i'm not thinkin much about anymore at this point.. our performances are not exactly worth our headaches.. i just hope we put up the best performance and not make it easy for arsenal and liverpool. that'll be good enough for me this term. i just want quality performances to come back.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I understand your points. But even if we can't win the leauge this season, at least we MUST beat Liverpool in our next two league games against them.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>But even if we can't win the leauge this season, at least we MUST beat Liverpool in our next two league games against them.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If we do that, we can win the league!
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I watched the game and support liverpool and what I saw was shite. I watched them go 3-0 down to an average side and try and come back through long balls. What the feck??? I think the 10 men behind the ball and michael owen tactic might work in the premiership against the likes of west ham and southampton but in the CL where the players and standard is much higher we will get beaten by the best everytime. I'm interested to see how we fair against yourselfs and Arsenal! Judging by that display lastnight its gona be a long year :mad:
 
Originally posted by Stick:
<strong>I watched the game and support liverpool and what I saw was shite. I watched them go 3-0 down to an average side and try and come back through long balls. What the feck??? I think the 10 men behind the ball and michael owen tactic might work in the premiership against the likes of west ham and southampton but in the CL where the players and standard is much higher we will get beaten by the best everytime. I'm interested to see how we fair against yourselfs and Arsenal! Judging by that display lastnight its gona be a long year :mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>

you're the first scouser to come out and admit it will be a long year.. we have heard a lot of crap in this forum about how liverpool will take the league by storm..

i must say i'll be very happy if it's a long year, and it's odd that i'll say this, but i have to say it.

Liverpool showed they were capable of a come back.. 3-0 down and to come back to almost winning it even in the last second of the game they will still attacking.

their tactic is certainly not suited for Europe, but they have shown that their squad depth if doing them good in the league.. the only way it will be a long season for you lot is if houllier screw it up himself. for a manager of his ability the league title is not so far out of reach, esp with 18-20 first team squad players available for selection.

i still doubt your ability to do well in Europe and i think United will have this edge over Liverpool for atleast 2-3 more years with the current situation unchanged.
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The way united play better suits europe. All or most of your players are comfortable on the ball. You have 2 or 3 creative midfielders and sometimes even 4. A quality finished in van nistelrooy and super subs in Ole. We have a team of grafters and sweaters like hamann hyppia henchoz carragher dioau(not sure of the spelling) with only murphy and gerrard being creative and even then their creativity is marred by the fact that they always only have one target in Owen to aim for which leads to fruitless long balls. We have no wingers in the giggs mould to take on players and beat them we need Damien Duff. We have a squad of good players and a good team but not an excellent team with good players to back it up. :(
 
Stick:


liverpool, are too negative, you always set yourself up for a counter attacking game... the goal they scored, put u on the back foot...


TBH, 3-3 flattered liverpool.
 
It didnt really flatter us 3-3 was a reflection of the side that Basle are. I mean they are average and wouldve crumbled had liverpool the balls to go at them and pass and move like the old teams but your right we looked our most dangerous when they were just after being on the attack but is this not true of Arsenal and Man Utd the key is the speed of the counter attack the ability of your forwards to hold the ball up and the support from midfield. Liverpool have Owen upfront whos touch deserted him and he uses his pace to make up for dodgy control alot of the time so the ball wasnt held up the support from midfield was non existent in the first half and in the second it was too late in coming with murphy and smicer finally pulling their heads out of their arses with only half an hour to go. It was a poor display but dont think 3-3 was flattering more embarrassing.
 
Originally posted by Stick:
<strong>The way united play better suits europe. All or most of your players are comfortable on the ball. You have 2 or 3 creative midfielders and sometimes even 4. A quality finished in van nistelrooy and super subs in Ole. We have a team of grafters and sweaters like hamann hyppia henchoz carragher dioau(not sure of the spelling) with only murphy and gerrard being creative and even then their creativity is marred by the fact that they always only have one target in Owen to aim for which leads to fruitless long balls. We have no wingers in the giggs mould to take on players and beat them we need Damien Duff. We have a squad of good players and a good team but not an excellent team with good players to back it up. :( </strong><hr></blockquote>


i agree about the owen bit really.. heskey hasn't been on top form and you guys seriously lack someone playing good football in the hole.. smicer has done alright, but judging from last night he plays upon his mood - he was sucky in the 1st, then came to life in the second - strange chap!

about giggs.. he isn't playing the way he used to anymore.. he's pushing inside - apparently that has made us slightly stronger in europe because giggs has been found out more or less.. so i don't think you'll need someone like giggs to do well in europe.. but definitely someone who can control the ball and get past a couple of players when needed..

TBH Liverpool are not yet ready to switch between two gears playing in EPL then CL.. they do have the squad, but lack the tactics and the ability to play well in both competitions at the same time. If houllier is really good enough then it won't be long before liverpool make their berths in the quarters of semi's of europe as arsenal have been doing.
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your defence and midfield were a shambles for 70 percent of the game.. Basle had a few great chances to make it four..

the most biased liverpool fan couldn't deny that they deserved to go thro.

IF you want to win the league, you'll have to go for the kill...and not play for draws, especially away from home... plus, the defence is very shakey.....and has been in a few matches i've seem this season.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
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apparently that has made us slightly stronger in europe because giggs has been found out more or less.. so i don't think you'll need someone like giggs to do well in europe.. but definitely someone who can control the ball and get past a couple of players when needed..
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found out in europe?


what do u mean?


btw..he's been crap this season, but europe always brings the best out of giggs.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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found out in europe?


what do u mean?


btw..he's been crap this season, but europe always brings the best out of giggs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

he hasn't been crap.. he's been moved to play inside.. he still has the ability to go past a couple of players.. it's a great quality to have.. but it doesn't mean we need someone out wide in europe to play well.. if he goes back out wide then we'll go back to 4-4-2, the plan which SAF himself thinks is not good enough for europe..

he's been found out more or less that's why SAF has moved him inside.. so he can utlize his skills on the inside of the pitch.. utilizing silvestre to come up and do the crosses.. i think we will leave a few oppnents mouth wide open this season with that tactic. but in EPL it hasn't worked though..
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>your defence and midfield were a shambles for 70 percent of the game.. Basle had a few great chances to make it four..

the most biased liverpool fan couldn't deny that they deserved to go thro.

IF you want to win the league, you'll have to go for the kill...and not play for draws, especially away from home... plus, the defence is very shakey.....and has been in a few matches i've seem this season.</strong><hr></blockquote>


that's strange.. i thought the idea was to hold for draw away from home.. ? i understand liverpool's position last night was that they should have gone for the kill.. but usually, isn't it a better plan to hold out and then come home for the kill?
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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he's been found out more or less that's why SAF has moved him inside.. so he can utlize his skills on the inside of the pitch.. </strong><hr></blockquote>

how can u say that he's been found out in europe?


based on which perfomances?


most of his best games in europe have been when he flies down the wing....even in a 4-5-1 formation..
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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that's strange.. i thought the idea was to hold for draw away from home.. ? i understand liverpool's position last night was that they should have gone for the kill.. but usually, isn't it a better plan to hold out and then come home for the kill?</strong><hr></blockquote>

talking about teams they should be beating away from home... they should be defeating the likes of Boro and Basle... infact they play this way in most of their matches, especially away.

aresnal on the other hand don't.....nor have we in the past... remember, its three points for a victory, makes sense to go for wins away. ;)
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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most of his best games in europe have been when he flies down the wing....even in a 4-5-1 formation..</strong><hr></blockquote>

i agree.. just like how his best games in the EPL have come from him flying down the left wing.. but judging from our chosen tactics currently, i don't think we'll see much of that anymore..

my mistake, he hasn't been found out, but is now put into play in a position where he's able to come inside much more..
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Fecking hell you lot really are clutching at straws.

We played badly last night, came back well, and yes we are out of the competition.

So that now means we are shit and won't win the league? great logic.

In that case how does it feel to be the second best team in Manchester now?
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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aresnal on the other hand don't.....nor have we in the past... remember, its three points for a victory, makes sense to go for wins away. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

one loss in europe means so much more than one loss in the league.. i do agree than in the EPL you have to go for the kill away from home.. maybe that's why liverpool are a good side in the EUFA cup..

but i think SAF is preparing us for the knockout rounds of the CL.. you hold away from home and you go for the kill at home.. nice and easy..
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Originally posted by Nate:
<strong>Fecking hell you lot really are clutching at straws.

We played badly last night, came back well, and yes we are out of the competition.

So that now means we are shit and won't win the league? great logic.

In that case how does it feel to be the second best team in Manchester now?</strong><hr></blockquote>

shut up nate.. read before you post.. none of us said scoushit won't win the league.. only your scouser friend Stick is saying it..

i agreed that scoushit are good in the EPL but they tend to suck in the CL.. wouldn't you agree?
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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shut up nate.. read before you post.. none of us said scoushit won't win the league.. only your scouser friend Stick is saying it..

i agreed that scoushit are good in the EPL but they tend to suck in the CL.. wouldn't you agree?</strong><hr></blockquote>


Feck knows why we haven't got the CL figured out yet, it took your lot plenty of time to adjust to it.

I had no belief that we would win it, I did however think we would get out of that group.

The only thing IMO that will soften this blow is to go and win the league.
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Originally posted by Nate:
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Feck knows why we haven't got the CL figured out yet, it took your lot plenty of time to adjust to it.

I had no belief that we would win it, I did however think we would get out of that group.

The only thing IMO that will soften this blow is to go and win the league.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i think the draw against basel came pretty much at the right time. seems like you lot are on a bad patch, hope that continues until we face you December 1!
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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but i think SAF is preparing us for the knockout rounds of the CL.. you hold away from home and you go for the kill at home.. nice and easy..</strong><hr></blockquote>


yes but those tactics don't work in the PL... hence their problem.
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we aint gonna win jack this year, anyone who believes we'll win the champs league is as stupid as those who thought england would win the world cup, kiddin themselves. i'd feel happier as a pool supporter as a whole this season obviously last night they were muck, but we've been constantly bad this season. can you see us beatin pool and arse in dec???????? i certainly cant
 
"we aint gonna win jack this year, anyone who believes we'll win the champs league is as stupid as those who thought england would win the world cup."

great first post :rolleyes:
Do you think Real played any better this season ?
By the way England didn´t play great football but they were not far away from winning the world cup. Without that freekick...who knows.....
 
Originally posted by jimmy riddle:
<strong>we aint gonna win jack this year, anyone who believes we'll win the champs league is as stupid as those who thought england would win the world cup, kiddin themselves. i'd feel happier as a pool supporter as a whole this season obviously last night they were muck, but we've been constantly bad this season. can you see us beatin pool and arse in dec???????? i certainly cant</strong><hr></blockquote>

We've lost 5 on the trot to Pool which is unprecedented even during the period when they were winning a few things. If nothing else, surely the law of averages comes into play here ? There ought to be full scale inquest if we lose again to them.
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Originally posted by jimmy riddle:
<strong>we aint gonna win jack this year, anyone who believes we'll win the champs league is as stupid as those who thought england would win the world cup, kiddin themselves. i'd feel happier as a pool supporter as a whole this season obviously last night they were muck, but we've been constantly bad this season. can you see us beatin pool and arse in dec???????? i certainly cant</strong><hr></blockquote>

what the feck are you on mate? as much sense as i could pull out from your post, i think you may need a little more pills..

what's wrong with believing we can take the CL? not beatin pool and arse in the league doesn't make us a no hoper in the CL.. does it? i don't think real are much better than us in their own league either how come everyone thinks they'll take the CL? our performance in the CL has been even better than theirs...
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Originally posted by Stick:
<strong>I watched the game and support liverpool and what I saw was shite. I watched them go 3-0 down to an average side and try and come back through long balls. What the feck??? I think the 10 men behind the ball and michael owen tactic might work in the premiership against the likes of west ham and southampton but in the CL where the players and standard is much higher we will get beaten by the best everytime. I'm interested to see how we fair against yourselfs and Arsenal! Judging by that display lastnight its gona be a long year :mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Stick, as a Liverpool fan the first part of your statement is the biggest load of a*se I've read today. Which of our three goals was through a long ball:

Was it maybe Murphy's when Diao ran past three players, dragged back, played in Smicer who laid it on for Danny?

Or maybe Smicer's which Baros cleverly flicked over his head into Vlad's path.

Or maybe the third which was a long penalty taken from our OWN penalty spot over 90 yards?

OK, so GH got the tactics wrong and shouldn't have played Heskey and should have brought on Baros much earlier. But try to be accurate in your criticism.

I agree about the long year bit though.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>Stick:


liverpool, are too negative, you always set yourself up for a counter attacking game... the goal they scored, put u on the back foot...


TBH, 3-3 flattered liverpool.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why is it Liverpool scored more goals against Man City than Man Utd? Or against Bolton, or against Leeds. Why is it we have tons more league goals than you? Getting the jist yet? Criticism is fine, inaccuate criticism is just ar*e. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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talking about teams they should be beating away from home... they should be defeating the likes of Boro and Basle... infact they play this way in most of their matches, especially away.

aresnal on the other hand don't.....nor have we in the past... remember, its three points for a victory, makes sense to go for wins away. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Who has scored the most goals away from home after Arsenal? Is it Man Utd? Or could it be Liverpool? Inaccurate YET again. Facts are there to be used. Use them. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by jimmy riddle:
<strong>we aint gonna win jack this year, anyone who believes we'll win the champs league is as stupid as those who thought england would win the world cup, kiddin themselves. i'd feel happier as a pool supporter as a whole this season obviously last night they were muck, but we've been constantly bad this season. can you see us beatin pool and arse in dec???????? i certainly cant</strong><hr></blockquote>

:eek: :eek: How old are you Jimmy? You sound like a very observant person who has been paying attention to what has happened so far this season. You can't be anything less than 30 years old. ;)
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Its not as if Man Utd took europe by storm in their first two seasons of CL. Neither did the arse. So it is no big surprise that Pool are out this early. the PL is an entierely different matter.
 
What are you talking about feckwit?

We are through to the CL stage 2 you are not that is the only thing that matters. What has United 1993/94 got to do with anything.

Face up to it Dipper.
 
Originally posted by Dumpstar:
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Stick, as a Liverpool fan the first part of your statement is the biggest load of a*se I've read today. Which of our three goals was through a long ball:

Was it maybe Murphy's when Diao ran past three players, dragged back, played in Smicer who laid it on for Danny?

Or maybe Smicer's which Baros cleverly flicked over his head into Vlad's path.

Or maybe the third which was a long penalty taken from our OWN penalty spot over 90 yards?

OK, so GH got the tactics wrong and shouldn't have played Heskey and should have brought on Baros much earlier. But try to be accurate in your criticism.

I agree about the long year bit though.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The first goal was a good finish by Murphy after a decent bit of work by Smicer I must admit but before that our best chance was a shot from Heskey from thirty yards. There was no error in playing heskey the mistake was in playing him on the left. For much of the game the ball was knocked forward to Owen who isnt physical enough to hold it up. The second goal was jammy as shite feckin Baros didnt mean to do that flick and your there praising him your talkin arse now!!! and I think you know it. You cant say that we didnt play direct football when you have 9 men behind the ball and 1 lad up front. Even the most biased of fans can see that Liverpool just couldn't adapt to the Champs league this year. Speaking of accuracy you admit Houllier got the tactics wrong but Barros isnt the answer to our problems a couple of wingers would be though!! Playing Barros up top with Owen still leaves you with the problem of how to get the ball to them. With Gerrard off form there is really no one to feed the front two unless murphy plays and hes not a right sided midfielder!!! We need someone who can take the game to the opposition and thats not Diao the donkey in the middle!!!!
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>TBH, 3-3 flattered liverpool.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Did it feck! They no way deserved 3 goals, a draw was a fair reflection on the game though.
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i whole heartully agree with mr stick.Hes a nice boy.Sometimes i wake up in the middle of the night and cry.
I hate yea man utd cnuts.Come on city!!!!!!!!!!!
feed the goat!!!!!and anelka.Jooyyyyyyyyy!! <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
 
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