New York Yankees moving home?

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$700 million....and most of it coming from the club themselves. :eek:

Even allowing for the 3.5 million fans that watch games a season, on ticket prices of between just $8 & $95 there must be some seriously rich investors involved with the club.

Yankees Propose New Stadium, and Would Pay
By CHARLES V. BAGLI

Published: July 30, 2004

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Vincent Laforet/The New York Times
The present stadium would not be demolished, and the new one would be put in Macombs Dam Park, in the foreground, across East 161st Street.


The New York Yankees will soon unveil plans to build a new $700 million, open-air stadium across 161st Street from its present home in the Bronx, according to team executives and elected officials, and the team is willing to pay much of the cost of construction.

The team's willingness to put up so much cash reflects a significant change from the team's earlier proposals for a new stadium during the administration of Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, when the Yankees offered to pay half the construction cost, and appears to have enhanced its prospects with the Bloomberg administration. At a City Hall meeting two weeks ago, the Yankees got a relatively positive reception from members of the Bloomberg administration.

The team continues to tinker with the plan but intends to present a final proposal to Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and Governor George E. Pataki in the coming weeks. The new, slightly smaller ballpark, with about 50,000 seats and 50 luxury boxes, would be built in Macombs Dam Park, just to the north of the existing stadium, an American sports shrine.

The city and state would probably have to spend around $100 million, officials said. Primarily, the city would be asked to create a string of ball fields and parks nearby that would lead down to the Harlem River, north of the Bronx Terminal Market, to offset the loss of parkland in the neighborhood. The state would be asked to build a Metro-North train stop along its tracks adjacent to the field.

The existing stadium, which opened in 1923 and has been the site of 33 World Series, would not be demolished, at least not most of it. It would be converted, possibly, to a multilevel parking garage with a soccer field on top, while retaining the ball field and the most recognizable elements of the structure.

The Yankees now lead the major leagues by drawing nearly 3.5 million fans a year at their aging, outmoded home, with ticket prices ranging from $8 to $95. The team's principal owner, George Steinbrenner, has long wanted a modern stadium with wider concourses, restaurants, more luxury boxes and club seating that would generate millions more in revenue and increase the value of the team. The efforts to get a new stadium go back at least 18 years.

The new stadium would have about 6,000 fewer seats but 39 more luxury boxes and far better sight lines, according to executives who have seen the plans. The team also saved money from an earlier proposal by eliminating a retractable roof, a feature that could cost $200 million. The proposal dovetails with a redevelopment plan for the neighborhood sponsored by the Bronx borough president, Adolfo Carrión, which includes a site for a hotel, retail shops, commercial development, a Metro-North station, an improved ferry terminal on the Harlem River and a shopping mall at the Bronx Terminal Market.

Neither the Yankees nor city officials were willing to comment publicly yesterday on the details of the proposal, but the Yankees showed their plans to city officials earlier this month, and the team conceded that a proposal was in the works.

"The Yankees are continuing to plan for a new stadium," said Randy Levine, president of the Yankees. "We're speaking with many people in government and in the community, but we don't have anything to present yet."

Mr. Carrión, who was in Boston for the Democratic National Convention, said he would soon release a comprehensive plan for the area surrounding Yankee Stadium.

"We've been talking to the Yankees for two years," he said. "There's some pretty serious planning brewing here. We'll be able to give a full-blown presentation pretty soon."

The Yankees' latest proposal is a remarkable turnabout for a legendary ball club that once threatened to abandon the Bronx for New Jersey unless the city and state helped it build a $1 billion stadium on the West Side of Manhattan. It seems to take into account new political realities and the public's distaste for government subsidies for sports buildings.

At the same time, the team's plan is likely to provoke greater scrutiny of plans for the city and state to provide a $600 million subsidy for a $1.4 billion, 75,000-seat football stadium for the Jets and to do $187.7 million in road and rail yard work for the proposed $435 million Nets basketball arena in Brooklyn.

"The most recent proposal from the Yankees indicates a sea change in their thinking, recognizing that the public doesn't want to subsidize stadiums given the city's other more pressing needs," said Harvey Robins, a former aide to Mayors Edward I. Koch and David N. Dinkins. "As the Yankees put more on the table, I'd like to see comparable concessions from the Jets and the Nets."

If the Yankees proposal is adopted, the team's $700 million investment in the stadium would make it both the most expensive baseball park and the largest such investment by a professional baseball team. In recent years, as economists questioned the wisdom of public investment in stadiums that mostly enrich the owners, sports teams have increasingly been forced to pay a larger share of the stadium costs once borne gladly by cities and counties.

Four years ago, for example, the San Francisco Giants became the first team in recent years to finance its stadium privately. The St. Louis Cardinals are building a $400 million stadium that is almost entirely privately financed.

Given New York's recent fiscal constraints, the Bloomberg and Pataki administrations declared that they would not pay for sports buildings themselves, although they would be willing to consider infrastructure improvements like roadwork and public transportation.

At the end of his term in 2001, Mr. Giuliani tried to seal a deal to build new $800 million stadiums for both the Yankees and the Mets, in which the teams would pay half the cost. The Yankees would have built a new 47,000-seat stadium with a retractable roof in Macombs Dam Park and demolished the old stadium. Under that deal, the state was expected to spend $390 million on parking garages, highway improvements and public transportation for the stadiums.

After Mayor Bloomberg succeeded Mr. Giuliani, inheriting a recession and a city wounded by the attack on the World Trade Center, he quickly said there was no money for stadiums.

Since then, the city backed the plan for a Jets stadium, which would also serve as an Olympic stadium if New York wins its bid for the 2012 summer Olympic Games, and the arena proposal.

Like the Jets and the Nets, the Yankees may also ask the city to issue tax-exempt bonds for the project. The team, however, would make the annual payments on the bonds.

Still, the state would probably have to spend tens of millions to build the Metro-North station and extend subway platforms for the new stadium, as well as make a number of highway improvements. The team's plan envisions a large, multilevel parking garage, which could be built by the state or a private owner. The Metro-North station could, however, reduce the total number of parking spaces.

The team has also worked with Bronx officials to map out a series of parks and ball fields to replace Macombs Dam Park and sidestep potential community opposition.

One executive who was briefed by the Yankees said the whole project was made possible by the team's financial plan. One of the most valuable sports franchises in the world, the Yankees paid about $60 million in revenue-sharing money to Major League Baseball. The league's rules allow teams to subtract annual stadium costs from their revenue-sharing obligations. So the Yankees would pay, say, $40 million a year to repay the bonds, rather than handing it over to Major League Baseball.

"The team can shoulder most of the costs," said one person who has seen the Yankees' plan. "The beauty of this transaction is the fact that money spent towards stadium construction is viewed as an operating cost and isn't subject to revenue sharing."

How would the Yankees' public react to quitting the old stadium? One fan, Paul Cisco of Long Island City, Queens, was in line for a sausage sandwich in the fourth inning when he was asked. "I don't think it's a problem," he said. "It's the times. You need to have more luxury seats, and you need to have more income. George can do it, too, even though he only paid $10 million for the team."
 
Marching said:
$700 million....and most of it coming from the club themselves. :eek:

Even allowing for the 3.5 million fans that watch games a season, on ticket prices of between just $8 & $95 there must be some seriously rich investors involved with the club.
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Steinbrenner ...
 
Cheers for that info Jens....interesting man.
 
Tearing down the House the Ruth built is about the same as trashing Stonehenge, nuking the Pyramids, or demolishing the Vatican. I first went there 34 years ago and was quite in awe of the place and the ghosts that dwell in Monument Park. Sometimes "progress" doesn't cut it.
 
FresnoBob said:
Tearing down the House the Ruth built is about the same as trashing Stonehenge, nuking the Pyramids, or demolishing the Vatican. I first went there 34 years ago and was quite in awe of the place and the ghosts that dwell in Monument Park. Sometimes "progress" doesn't cut it.

article says they're not tearing it down:

"The existing stadium, which opened in 1923 and has been the site of 33 World Series, would not be demolished, at least not most of it. It would be converted, possibly, to a multilevel parking garage with a soccer field on top, while retaining the ball field and the most recognizable elements of the structure."
 
WTF?! Next to the Green Monster in Boston, that stadium is the most recognizable thing in baseball. Why wouldn't you want to play in it?
 
It's still a great park. I was there yesterday and the day before for games against Oakland. A new stadium will make Steinbrenner more money with a skybox revenue and the increase in the value of the franchise. It will also help George avoid some of the luxury tax that he hates to pay. He's been after the city to rejuvenate that part of the South Bronx for years and this is his chance because before George builds a stadium, the city will have to throw a lot of money into the neighborhood.
 
Kevrockcity said:
article says they're not tearing it down:

"The existing stadium, which opened in 1923 and has been the site of 33 World Series, would not be demolished, at least not most of it. It would be converted, possibly, to a multilevel parking garage with a soccer field on top, while retaining the ball field and the most recognizable elements of the structure."

Interesting. Old Yankee Stadium could be the home of the New York Cosmos, MLS expansion team for 2009 (though I'd prefer New York Titans).

Or how about Manchester United USA (a spin off like Chivas USA). ;)