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trevor newnham

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According to World Soccer Talk
FIFA will review the introduction of 4 groundbreaking rules to reshape football starting on March 1st:

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OFFSIDE RULE PROPOSED BY ARSENE WENGER: A player will be considered offside if their entire body crosses the last defender's line. This means offside decisions based on a few millimeters will no longer be penalized.

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REFEREE DECISIONS WILL BE EXPLAINED THROUGH MICROPHONES TO THE ENTIRE STADIUM: After consulting VAR, referees will explain their decision via a microphone to all spectators present in the stadium.

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THE CONSULTATION SYSTEM: Each coach will be allowed to request a limited number of VAR checks during the match to review a controversial action.

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REFEREES CAN STOP THE CLOCK: Referees will be able to stop the clock to assess a situation or in case of a severe injury. The goal is to eliminate time-wasting and prioritize actual playing time.

If these rules are APPROVED, they will be implemented on July 1, 2025.

I dunno if this has been discussed on here already. If so would the mods kindly delete it.
 
Wasnt this the rule years ago, with clear daylight between the last defender and attacker?

OFFSIDE RULE PROPOSED BY ARSENE WENGER: A player will be considered offside if their entire body crosses the last defender's line. This means offside decisions based on a few millimeters will no longer be penalized.
 
Could be a positive change. However the cynic in me sees the clock stopping as an opportunity to fill the broadcast with more ads.
 
All this stuff will be trialled and should be, none of it rolled out anytime soon though.
 
But that definitely doesn't mean "offside decisions based on a few millimeters will no longer be penalized", does it? It will still come down to a few milimeters to determine whether the attacker's "entire body crosses the last defender's line". It's exactly the same problem with a different point of reference.
 
cafecillos said:
But that definitely doesn't mean "offside decisions based on a few millimeters will no longer be penalized", does it? It will still come down to a few milimeters to determine whether the attacker's "entire body crosses the last defender's line". It's exactly the same problem with a different point of reference.
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Spot on. Exactly what I was going to say.

It might prove a better system, but it'll still have many arguments over whether a tiny amount of a striker is onside or offside so won't remove that side of the controversy. Just, as you say, they'll be analysing it from a different point of reference.
 
trevor newnham said:
According to World Soccer Talk
| FIFA will review the introduction of 4 groundbreaking rules to reshape football starting on March 1st:
▶️
OFFSIDE RULE PROPOSED BY ARSENE WENGER: A player will be considered offside if their entire body crosses the last defender's line. This means offside decisions based on a few millimeters will no longer be penalized.
▶️
REFEREE DECISIONS WILL BE EXPLAINED THROUGH MICROPHONES TO THE ENTIRE STADIUM: After consulting VAR, referees will explain their decision via a microphone to all spectators present in the stadium.
▶️
THE CONSULTATION SYSTEM: Each coach will be allowed to request a limited number of VAR checks during the match to review a controversial action.
▶️
REFEREES CAN STOP THE CLOCK: Referees will be able to stop the clock to assess a situation or in case of a severe injury. The goal is to eliminate time-wasting and prioritize actual playing time.
If these rules are APPROVED, they will be implemented on July 1, 2025.

I dunno if this has been discussed on here already. If so would the mods kindly delete it.
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Decisions will still be decided on mm, just the line will be in a different place.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Could be a positive change. However the cynic in me sees the clock stopping as an opportunity to fill the broadcast with more ads.
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Exactly the reason why I don't watch other sports.
cafecillos said:
But that definitely doesn't mean "offside decisions based on a few millimeters will no longer be penalized", does it? It will still come down to a few milimeters to determine whether the attacker's "entire body crosses the last defender's line". It's exactly the same problem with a different point of reference.
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There has to be a better system than what they do now. There could be some type of sensor in the middle of the ball, and each player also has a sensor implanted somewhere in their body. Maybe a pre-match suppository.
Seriously though, a sensor in the players boot would work. Just use the feet and the ball as the deciding factor. Its the two things that are naturally touching the ground at rest.
 
All good changes. In addition get rid of penalties and do something about the persistent fouling teams like Liverpool and City do.
 
Devil77 said:
How will VAR decide what ”clear daylight” is?
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If any part of the attackers body is onside, he's onside.

It's what I've wanted the offside rule to be forever. It's puts the power back into attackers hands to simply ensure some part of them is in line with a defender, and helps get rid of this ridiculous choreography of offside lines and stepping up which was never intended to be such a powerful part of football.

If they can marry this with some proper refereeing of defenders flopping themselves to the ground under the slightest pressure, instead of awarding them soft freekicks every 15 seconds, we might finally have a game worth watching again.
 
Flick on suicide watch with the new offside rule.

I'm all seriousness, is a fecking sh*t rule change, should not be this extreme a change given how the current rule is. Defending is hard enough as it is with the current implementation of rules, this will make it even worse for them.

Or we see teams completely abandon the high line and the game becomes more defensive with teams sitting back given the high risk of being caught out on the break.
 
I don't like the one about coaches being able to request checks. Especially not on top of the existing format where the officials review enough instances already.

In Cricket, reviews are requested by the fielding team. So the video umpire will sit by and allow a clear mistake to occur and stand unless the team request a review. That's never felt the right format for me, when everyone off the field can see the error, the system should be in place to correct it, not ignore it. It's accepted in Cricket, but Football I can imagine everyone going mad if a decision wrongly goes in favour of the big team - especially us - and despite all the expensive system in place to correct it it's left to stand because the smaller team didn't review (or had used up all their reviews).

I think the system in place now is better - where the VAR offical sees a potential error and calls the onfield officials attention to look at it again. They just need to get better at how it's utilised over time. But I don't think having manager / captain reviews - either instead of or as well as the existing way - is an improvement.
 
Allowing managers VAR reviews is nonsensical.
As bad as it is sometimes, the referees decision should be final, end of.

As for offsides, I like the idea of there being clear separation between the defender and the attacker. Players can move so much in a split second, it's almost impossible to pause the excact frame.

I also think they should just go back to offside being offside when the ball was played regardless of who gets it, forget all the bull shit about active and inactive etc. Especially in and around the box and the goal, if you're offside you're impacting the play in some capacity, because a defender has to watch you, change position to cover etc.. so there's no way you're never impacting something, someones eyeline or decision making.

If a player is offside when the ball is played, it's offside, end of story.
 
Imagine just how many more goals would stand from that offside rule change. Maguire won't be liking this.
 
trevor newnham said:
According to World Soccer Talk
| FIFA will review the introduction of 4 groundbreaking rules to reshape football starting on March 1st:
▶️
OFFSIDE RULE PROPOSED BY ARSENE WENGER: A player will be considered offside if their entire body crosses the last defender's line. This means offside decisions based on a few millimeters will no longer be penalized.
▶️
REFEREE DECISIONS WILL BE EXPLAINED THROUGH MICROPHONES TO THE ENTIRE STADIUM: After consulting VAR, referees will explain their decision via a microphone to all spectators present in the stadium.
▶️
THE CONSULTATION SYSTEM: Each coach will be allowed to request a limited number of VAR checks during the match to review a controversial action.
▶️
REFEREES CAN STOP THE CLOCK: Referees will be able to stop the clock to assess a situation or in case of a severe injury. The goal is to eliminate time-wasting and prioritize actual playing time.
If these rules are APPROVED, they will be implemented on July 1, 2025.

I dunno if this has been discussed on here already. If so would the mods kindly delete it.
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Offside Rule: yes please.
Refs on Mics: if having to explain the decision in front of the stadium crowd makes referees more accountable, then great. I think we'll need to see it in practice to determine if that will be the case.
Consultation system: Not sure about this. How about VAR is used to correct clear and obvious error, and each VAR check has a limited number of replays (and the replays cannot be in super slow-mo, maybe no slower than 0.75x speed) and cannot last longer than 60 seconds.
Stopping the clock: I think it's necessary to stop time-wasting, sadly.
 
Sounds fecking awful. They want the game to constantly stop that’s not good for sport at all
 
trevor newnham said:
According to World Soccer Talk
| FIFA will review the introduction of 4 groundbreaking rules to reshape football starting on March 1st:
▶️
OFFSIDE RULE PROPOSED BY ARSENE WENGER: A player will be considered offside if their entire body crosses the last defender's line. This means offside decisions based on a few millimeters will no longer be penalized.
▶️
REFEREE DECISIONS WILL BE EXPLAINED THROUGH MICROPHONES TO THE ENTIRE STADIUM: After consulting VAR, referees will explain their decision via a microphone to all spectators present in the stadium.
▶️
THE CONSULTATION SYSTEM: Each coach will be allowed to request a limited number of VAR checks during the match to review a controversial action.
▶️
REFEREES CAN STOP THE CLOCK: Referees will be able to stop the clock to assess a situation or in case of a severe injury. The goal is to eliminate time-wasting and prioritize actual playing time.
If these rules are APPROVED, they will be implemented on July 1, 2025.

I dunno if this has been discussed on here already. If so would the mods kindly delete it.
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The ones in bold I definitely like. The one that I’ve not bolded, I’m not too sure I’d like that as it will just be more stop-start. Imagine watching Man City vs Arsenal with that rule applied. Pep and Arteta will be requesting a VAR check for almost everything that doesn’t go there way.

I wonder with the REFEREES CAN STOP THE CLOCK: Referees will be able to stop the clock to assess a situation or in case of a severe injury. The goal is to eliminate time-wasting and prioritize actual playing time. Will added on stoppage/injury time be stopped?
 
Rule number 1 is stupid. Offside is offside. Why do strikers need more help to score goals?

Rule number 2 is fine.

Rule number 3 is stupid. Coaches will stop the games for the flimsiest things. There has to be a penalty for wasting everyone's time and slowing down the game if the review comes to nothing. Maybe one outfield player automatically gets a yellow card or something.

Rule number 4 is just pointless. I thought refs already stopped their watches for injuries and reviews and delays? What's the difference?
 
The wording of "the referee can stop the clock" sounds open to inconsistency. If it's a judgement call then no doubt there'll be times when they do stop the clock and times they don't despite the situation being the same. Much like how they don't always enforce players to leave the field by the nearest touchline when being subbed, it's just as and when they see fit. It shouldn't be a judgement call.
 
Arsene Wengers idea is quite possibly the most stupid idea ever. Pointless and just as hard to implement.
 
trevor newnham said:
According to World Soccer Talk
| FIFA will review the introduction of 4 groundbreaking rules to reshape football starting on March 1st:
▶️
OFFSIDE RULE PROPOSED BY ARSENE WENGER: A player will be considered offside if their entire body crosses the last defender's line. This means offside decisions based on a few millimeters will no longer be penalized.
▶️
REFEREE DECISIONS WILL BE EXPLAINED THROUGH MICROPHONES TO THE ENTIRE STADIUM: After consulting VAR, referees will explain their decision via a microphone to all spectators present in the stadium.
▶️
THE CONSULTATION SYSTEM: Each coach will be allowed to request a limited number of VAR checks during the match to review a controversial action.
▶️
REFEREES CAN STOP THE CLOCK: Referees will be able to stop the clock to assess a situation or in case of a severe injury. The goal is to eliminate time-wasting and prioritize actual playing time.
If these rules are APPROVED, they will be implemented on July 1, 2025.

I dunno if this has been discussed on here already. If so would the mods kindly delete it.
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This changes nothing in that regard. Will result in (significantly?) more goals.

If the goal is to eliminate time-wasting and prioritize actual playing time...maybe just freaking run the clock only if ball is in play and adjust playing time length.

The consultation system is interesting but a lot depends on the execution.
 
I hate the idea of refs stopping the clock. Not because it's a bad idea, but because ads will inevitably fill the stoppage time.
 
I want multiball in the last 5 minutes
 
The offside one won’t really change anything. Wherever you draw the line, there will always be super marginal calls that people will get upset about. But the alternative is leaving it to referees to decide whether an offside is ‘offside enough’ to justify disallowing a goal or whatever, which means inconsistency.

And tbh, the real problem with offside (and handball) is the fact that the rules keep changing every couple of years.
 
Offside: Still down to millimeters as everyone has said, I'll add that what we don't want is more goals as that would make results more predictable. Don't listen to what the commentators say about goals, a lot of people would stop watching if they could be pretty sure who was going to win every time.
Microphones: Fine
Consultation: So you're a goal down, upping the pace and attacking like crazy so the other manager makes damn sure he slows it all down by calling for VAR the maximum number of times. No thanks. Also feck VAR.
Stop the Clock: Refs add time on already don't they? I don't get this.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
The wording of "the referee can stop the clock" sounds open to inconsistency. If it's a judgement call then no doubt there'll be times when they do stop the clock and times they don't despite the situation being the same. Much like how they don't always enforce players to leave the field by the nearest touchline when being subbed, it's just as and when they see fit. It shouldn't be a judgement call.
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Yeah, it sounds like a compromise due to objections against a full stop-clock approach. But since I like the latter very much, I would be happy if they introduced this, cause the inconsistencies might lead to implementation of the full stop-clock approach.
 
I want a rule that VAR has 30 or 45 seconds to find "clear and obvious" or it is deemed either not clear or not obvious and the ruling on the field stands.
 
Gator Nate said:
I want a rule that VAR has 30 or 45 seconds to find "clear and obvious" or it is deemed either not clear or not obvious and the ruling on the field stands.
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And then you'll just have plenty of controversies when the correct angle is found / shown just after that, and we find out the decision was wrong; or there's technological issues and the incident doesn't even get to be looked at in time.

I think something like that works fine for these new, gimmicky competitions in sports - where the whole thing is aimed at shorter, louder entertainment and attracting a new audience more than the traditional competitions that are taken a lot more serious. But I don't want to see serious competitions like the PL, CL, World Cup, etc, having a short time limit like that.

Either use technology to try to get the right decisions or don't. I'm happy enough with not using it. But If you do, then use it properly. Focus on ways of getting the decisions right on a more consistent basis, and then try to reduce the time it takes, if necessary, without reducing the levels of accuracy. Priorising the latter not the former. Whereas a lot of these suggestions - time limits, microphones, coaches requests, etc - seem more to be bothered about making the whole thing more gimmicky and part of the entertainment. It shouldn't be about that - especially if it's at the cost of the whole point of it all, which is meant to be getting to the right decisions a lot more often than the onfield officials previously did.
 
Automated offside or don't do it, keep goal line technology, bin the rest of VAR, and ban Man City.

The game would be in far better place.
 
Rugby has the thing about referees broadcasting decisions and that seems like it's going down well with rugby fans
 
We don't need new rules. We need more clarity and consistency with the current rules.
 
Good changes. Especially the consultation system. Basically the tennis version of challenges.

The people who don’t like it - just give 1 failed challenge per half. So if you have a failed challenge then you don’t get another. Simple. So you can’t use it to slow the game down really.

Offside is also a good one as the hard part right now is decided which part of the body is deemed offside. They should change it to any part of the body is offside but daylight works.
 
It’s easier for an attacker to be generally in line with a player compared to the current rule where your toe being slightly ahead of the player when you start to run will cancel out a goal.

if the automated offside process is added in and we get fair and consistent rulings then I think it will be a massive improvement.

The tolerance for close calls should be with the defending team though, as the new rule heavily favours the attackers.
 
Could the offside rule bring about the return of the sweeper? It essentially gives the forward an extra steps head start and defences will need a way to counter it.
 
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