Nesta

skivandam

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Nesta's valuation is apparantly, you ready for this 37million acording to plannet football. He is obviously a class player but I dont want him for that, I mean if we signed him he MAY be our only summer signing which would be sad :( . This veron scenario is becoming a complete piss take one minute hes saying hes got a 5 year deal and the other times hes saying hes had a wank season and wouldnt reject the chance to move back to italy. Swap veron for nesta NO CASH and then buy 2-3 more players. Comments?
 
Nesta whatever the cost!! If we want the best, we have to pay for it!!
 
Originally posted by skivandam:
<strong>Comments?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Dont hang by every word you read in the rags. We're not the only club who wants Nesta, and if he's going to be too expensive then he'll probably end up at Real or Juve at which point we'll cross him off and move to our next target on the list which will probably be Thuram or Ayala.
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italians playing outside of italy rarely if ever get picked for the national team, dont expect it to change,
ayala and thuram will do the job, once the price is right.
 
Originally posted by bananaman:
<strong>italians playing outside of italy rarely if ever get picked for the national team, dont expect it to change,
ayala and thuram will do the job, once the price is right.</strong><hr></blockquote>

this is true about italy and players playing outside italy but this would definatly NOT be the case if nesta left as he is a core and viatal player for them. the only players to suffer from this tradition in the past have been fringe players not world beaters like nesta.
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good point, if he has a great WC we will never afford him though as it will be an auction
 
I don't think Nesta wouldn't make the national team if he played outside Italy, especially if it were with United or Real. That said, I'd rather we get two players instead of spending it all on Nesta.
 
Nesta is the best around AND he's young. Ayala and Thuram are nearing the end of his career.
 
we can't afford nesta .... not because he is way too expensive as we could afford to spend the money ... BUT we can't afford to spend all that money on just one player ...

we need two center backs in my opinion BLANC was the best of a crap bunch but really i think he should be kept on as cover. we have no quality cover for gaz or mickey - pip nev is a good servant for the club gives his all and loves the club but he hasn't got the quality the UTD need.

To add to this - we also need another striker, every top team needs at least four strikers we have 3 as yorke will go (i hope). OLE and RUUD were fantastic and forlan has shown great promise but any of the 3 got an injury we are left with no cover in a long busy season.

cover on the flanks are needed - we have fortune who may go and if he does needs to be replaced not fogotten, chadwick must either be ready to step in for becks or we need tom look else where.

hopefully some of the attack and midfield areas can be solved by youth players but i don't no much about them ..... any youngsters ready to step up ????
 
If we sell get Nesta for Veron+5m or something.
Sign a striker for 15m and a up and coming player for 5-10m, we'd have spent 25-30m, not much at all for a club of our stature.
 
Larry is staying another year so I don't think we're getting two anymore. Hence we may well throw all our cash into one player.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Larry is staying another year so I don't think we're getting two anymore. Hence we may well throw all our cash into one player.</strong><hr></blockquote>

very bad idea, i can't belive SAF will be happy seeing only one defender coming in - i won't be, concidering the defence was truely shite last season AND two defenders have left in IRWIN and JOHNSEN.
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Originally posted by JOBT:
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very bad idea, i can't belive SAF will be happy seeing only one defender coming in - i won't be, concidering the defence was truely shite last season AND two defenders have left in IRWIN and JOHNSEN.</strong><hr></blockquote>

There's nothing to say we wont replace Irwin with someone who is inexpensive, but I cant see us spending on a LB when Silvestre has the job firmly in hand. If we get Nesta then he replaces Johnsen as Blanc's partner. When Blanc leaves next year then we will presumably bring in another CB (at least thats how I'm thinking Fergie will interpret such a scenario). I'm not saying we should get Nesta (as I think he's overvalued), but with Blanc extending its looking more and more like we'll only end up with one CB.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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There's nothing to say we wont replace Irwin with someone who is inexpensive, but I cant see us spending on a LB when Silvestre has the job firmly in hand. If we get Nesta then he replaces Johnsen as Blanc's partner. When Blanc leaves next year then we will presumably bring in another CB (at least thats how I'm thinking Fergie will interpret such a scenario). I'm not saying we should get Nesta (as I think he's overvalued), but with Blanc extending its looking more and more like we'll only end up with one CB.</strong><hr></blockquote>

In that case, any good and inexpensive right-backs?

Doesn't seem to be too many around
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steven finan , hes a class act and is playing well for ireland, but at the end of the day, al-fayed doesnt need the money so may not sell him
 
Cosmin Contra hasnt had a good season with Milan.
Carr if he wont cost more than 8 million pounds.
 
I W-A-N-T N-E-S-T-A (but not for £37m) Think he would be great for us. Never can imagine him moving to "rainy" Manchester though... :(
 
Gary and Silvestre have been less than impressive at times early last season. We definitely need covers for the 2 positions, since we no longer have Mr. Reliable who can play on either sides. Phil is just not technically competent. Wesley is much better at CB than at RB, and we don't have decent lefty youngster emerging. We need a world class CB, and 2 hotshots for the LB & RB, someones like Riise, Cole, Dyer, Zanetti, Carlos etc. Finnan have been very good defensively, but in attack he seems not much better technically than what we already have. I would love to see more skillful players in our defense since we always have similar problems as England have, defenders who can't survive pressing games and just kick the darn ball forward as far as they can ie. Gav, Mills.
 
We had problems when faced pressing games. Our defenders have been hitting long balls and not helping out the midfielders enough. That's why in the middle of the park, we simetimes failed to perform, and get run-over due to poor balls getting feeded to midfielders (ie. vs Leverkusen, Arsenal, Liverpool when our ball possesions were way less than our normal average, we had less than 45% against Leverkusen on both games) It is hard, but i think that players like Riise or Cole have definitely performed better than both Gary and Silvestre this season. SO... I think should get some new fullbacks.
 
Originally posted by mamboza:
<strong>SO... I think should get some new fullbacks.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fair enough. But we have much more urgent needs so I doubt there will be cash for such. Anyway, Gary Neville has been superb in the second half of the season, until he was injured.
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Originally posted by Cal:
<strong>Nesta is the best around AND he's young. Ayala and Thuram are nearing the end of his career.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ayala is hardly over the hill and IMO is better suited to the English game that Nesta, Blanc and Ayala will do me. Next season should see Wes and John O'S playing for places, another utility man would be handy and a partener for Forlan, sorted.
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Keeping Laurent Blanc could be the key. If he stays we have another year of development for John O'Shea and Wes Brown. We will only need one CB so Nesta might be in our price range. If we need two CBs then possibly Thuram (might be too pricy)and Ayala.

The outlay for these two is similar to Nesta. We will probably get as many years out of Nesta as the other two combined so the cost per player per season is similar. Nesta is better than the other two so represents the better value.
 
Originally posted by redfan:
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Ayala is hardly over the hill and IMO is better suited to the English game that Nesta, Blanc and Ayala will do me. Next season should see Wes and John O'S playing for places, another utility man would be handy and a partener for Forlan, sorted.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The problem with Ayala (or Thuram) is that there won't be any re-sale value if we sign them now and they give us 3 years.

On the other hand, we sign Nesta for 37m, he helps us to a few trophies in 3 years, and we can probably recoup our entire outlay (given the transfer market). He is also the best centre back around. I think the Plc will see that.
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Lost in all this transfer fee of Nesta is the fact that Lazio still owe about 11m on Stam. United should take Lazio to UEFA and demand Nesta for 15m or Lazio must make the 11m payment immeadiately. If not, United should then seek a 1m per day fine until payment is received or Nesta is sold. United would wipe off the debt for Nesta. Basically, United acquire Nesta for Stam and 10m (15m-5m). Then use the 10m saved on the Nesta fee and purchase PDC and Finnan.
 
Was talking to a friend the other night who's father is best friends with someone within Old Trafford. He get's brilliant seats anytime he wants.

Aside from that, he was telling me that a deal of 26m has already been agreed for Nesta, and this is why united have come out openly and admitted they will "try" to buy him. His purchase will be unvieled after the World Cup.

It certainly makes somewhat sense to me because if United weren't sure that they'd get him, there would be no point in openly admitting they were going to try and get him. In fact it would be more detrimental because if they were pipped to the post they would look very weak - for a team rated in the top 5 in the world.

This isn't paper talk, it's coming from a source within OT
 
sounds good to me,but at 37mill its far too much even if you consider his age and talent. I still think we should of signed Rio Ferdinand before Leeds.
 
Originally posted by Kinky Melinky:
<strong>Was talking to a friend the other night who's father is best friends with someone within Old Trafford. He get's brilliant seats anytime he wants.

Aside from that, he was telling me that a deal of 26m has already been agreed for Nesta, and this is why united have come out openly and admitted they will "try" to buy him. His purchase will be unvieled after the World Cup.

It certainly makes somewhat sense to me because if United weren't sure that they'd get him, there would be no point in openly admitting they were going to try and get him. In fact it would be more detrimental because if they were pipped to the post they would look very weak - for a team rated in the top 5 in the world.

This isn't paper talk, it's coming from a source within OT</strong><hr></blockquote>

I heard the same thing through my sources three weeks ago and posted it. No-one noticed! - but it is obvious Nesta is the man United want. What I have also heard is that while the fee with Lazio has been agreed, Nesta is yet to commit. That could be the reason why Fergie has said 'we're going to work hard at it'. Perhaps Nesta still needs some convincing?
This would also explain why Lazio keep putting his price up to put their other Italian rivals off. They do not want to sell their best player to an Italian rival - hence Veron came to United last season.
And, by the way, if Nesta comes then he won't be the only summer signing...
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Originally posted by Kinky Melinky:
<strong>Was talking to a friend the other night who's father is best friends with someone within Old Trafford. He get's brilliant seats anytime he wants.

Aside from that, he was telling me that a deal of 26m has already been agreed for Nesta, and this is why united have come out openly and admitted they will "try" to buy him. His purchase will be unvieled after the World Cup.

It certainly makes somewhat sense to me because if United weren't sure that they'd get him, there would be no point in openly admitting they were going to try and get him. In fact it would be more detrimental because if they were pipped to the post they would look very weak - for a team rated in the top 5 in the world.

This isn't paper talk, it's coming from a source within OT</strong><hr></blockquote>


greetings jedi....absolutely wonderful news this, IF it's true....believe it will jedi master when Nesta stands beside grand master Ferguson with a United scarf and jersey & parades the World Cup at OT ;) ;) must admit jedi master thought it would be thuram and rio ferdinand....also nesta for 26mil, steal it is jedi master reckons, hmmmmm......the force is strong with this one.....
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i heard that about nesta too, that would be class, the man is pure talent, thia could be a good world cup for us, if we have signed nesta, veron plays class and gets his confidence back, keane gets a good rest, as does van nistlerooy, and beckham gets a chance to get back fitness and then obviously will be home soon too hahahah
 
suppose this is what veron meant when he said he would be team mates with nesta again, eh.... <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
 
if we really can get nesta for 26mil it'll be brilliant. besides the talent on the field, I like his attitude of putting the team first. I noticed in a lot of interviews of Italian players that, while Totti has a tendency of going on about how this could be "his" world cup, Nesta (who's btw, usually more of a Paul Scholes school of dealing with the media than a Beckham one) prefers to talk about the team. :cool:
 
Originally posted by Cal:
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The problem with Ayala (or Thuram) is that there won't be any re-sale value if we sign them now and they give us 3 years.

On the other hand, we sign Nesta for 37m, he helps us to a few trophies in 3 years, and we can probably recoup our entire outlay (given the transfer market). He is also the best centre back around. I think the Plc will see that.</strong><hr></blockquote>We have passed the times where we have to sign players while keeping a watchful eye on their price-tag and age imo. We have bags of cash and money won’t be an issue whoever we sign this summer, so the PLC can deal with that side of the deal. I don’t want to sound big-headed, but smaller clubs like West Ham etc. may have to be careful when buying players of 30+, but United make enough money each year (plus money generated from image rights from the players we bring in) to buy players for 30m or so. We do not have to worry with buying Thuram or Ayala anyway. Both are still good players and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. Besides transfer caps will come in to play by 2006 imo.
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