so everyone, how good is he, and how good do you think he can be?
Mudhsuden Singh Panesar
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haven't seen all that much of him but from what i've seen he's average. good for england though.
Too early to judge, potential is there...
mehro said:
surely better than average, just look at his scalps
hi sultan
mubarak said:
Hello, all Ok?
yeah, fine.
how are you
how are you
mubarak said:
just my opinion.
and, hi sultan.
fair enough,
and, hi mehro
and, hi mehro
Panesar=Giles circa 2001
Average spinner
crappycraperson said:
better than most england have produced in recent times. way to go before he matches spinners from the sub-continent
Yeah, that is spot on.DevilsOwn said:
I've not really followed international cricket too closely for the past couple of years, but I believe that top quality spinners don't really come by these days.
IMO the last spinner with the potential to match the likes of Warne and Murali (dislike the chucker though) in terms of achievements was Saqlain of Pak.
But they fecked him with all the politics and internal rivalries.
Who are the top subcontinental spinners you lot are referring to?
IMO the last spinner with the potential to match the likes of Warne and Murali (dislike the chucker though) in terms of achievements was Saqlain of Pak.
But they fecked him with all the politics and internal rivalries.
Who are the top subcontinental spinners you lot are referring to?
harbajhan singh comes to mind
quality bowler,but his average outside the sub continent of 40 or close suggests he finds it hard to adjust to pacier wickets.Monty is a great find for england the best spinner we've had since tufnell and better imo,most of his wickets to date have not come from mindless slogs but actually attacking the stumps and working out a batsman.His real test though comes in the ashes and how he handles real pressure until then i will reserve from calling him anything but a fine prospect and maybe up there with some of the greats if he continues in this fashion throughout his career.mubarak said:
he is the most promising spinner we have had for years. and he is cute 
He is the best spinning prospect for yonks, anyone who says he is average simply doesn't understand cricket.
mehro said:
England are ranked 3rd in the world...a few points behind India in 2nd...and we have fust beaten the runnaway best ranked team in the world, in a test series.
mungy said:
wasn't referring to england's team performance, just the fact that they don't produce many good spinners, which is why panesar's good for them.
Probably the best finger spinner in the world on current form at the moment.
And before you get your panties in a bunch mehro name someone better right now.
And before you get your panties in a bunch mehro name someone better right now.
mungy said:
I thought they were second after their series win over Pakistan.
The Kippax Kid said:he is the most promising spinner we have had for years. and he is cute
Does the name Phil Tufnell mean anything to you?
mehro said:
He’s average enough to get Younis and Inzaman out repeatedly on wickets that don’t even turn that much.
Dubai_Devil said:
i can see why you english are getting so worked up over him. you haven't had a good spinner in so long that you'd like to believe that you finally have one. mind you, i'm not saying you don't, all i said was that it's too early to judge. he gives one good performance against pakistan and you're all wet.
vijay said:
dont patronise me.
does the name bishen bedi mean anything to you?
The Kippax Kid said:
Not patronizing you. Barmies and your media created a similar hype on Tufnell who was incidentally a better spinner than Monty Singh. A poor world cup and an equally poor series in the subcontinent he was kicked backed in to county cricket where he truly fits in.
vijay said:
our problem has been our captains have never shown enough faith in our spinners.
vaughan, flintoff and strauss have appeared to buck the trend and monty is now an integral part of our attack, this is shown in the number of overs he bowls.
tufnell would have benefitted by playing under the new regime, at his peak he was better than monty, monty however is only learning and has all the attributes to be much better than tufnell.
This forums still alive?
From what i've seen Panesar seems consistant and tidy but nothing special, much like Giles. Good addition to the England side.
From what i've seen Panesar seems consistant and tidy but nothing special, much like Giles. Good addition to the England side.
His career thus far has been anything but average (unless you're blind, clueless or simply bitter). Considering the inevitable time it takes to settle into Test cricket and given the fact that he's come into a team ravaged by injuries, he's done fantastically and has gone from a promising back up to out pace attack to a reliable wicket-taking matchwinner in the space of five months.
To say he is no better than Giles is moronic. Anyone who watches him can see he gets the thing to turn far more on helpful or non-responsive pitches. Does anyone genuinely believe Giles would have taken that Younis wicket on a pitch like Headingley?
He came home from India with a rather high average, forgivable given that it was his debut series. He's now got it down just over 30 taking the likes of Sachin, Dravid, Sangakkara, Jayasuriya, Yousuf, Younis Khan and Inzy along the way.
He may turn out a flash in the pan, he may not. It's unfair to build him up too much at this early stage. It's also unfair to label him merely average, so far he's been anything but. He's already spun us to a series win against the team above us in the ICC rankings.
He has a lovely action, he works hard and has already developed a nice habit of taking big wickets at important times.
Next up...Ricky Ponting.
To say he is no better than Giles is moronic. Anyone who watches him can see he gets the thing to turn far more on helpful or non-responsive pitches. Does anyone genuinely believe Giles would have taken that Younis wicket on a pitch like Headingley?
He came home from India with a rather high average, forgivable given that it was his debut series. He's now got it down just over 30 taking the likes of Sachin, Dravid, Sangakkara, Jayasuriya, Yousuf, Younis Khan and Inzy along the way.
He may turn out a flash in the pan, he may not. It's unfair to build him up too much at this early stage. It's also unfair to label him merely average, so far he's been anything but. He's already spun us to a series win against the team above us in the ICC rankings.
He has a lovely action, he works hard and has already developed a nice habit of taking big wickets at important times.
Next up...Ricky Ponting.
mehro said:
I'm not English.
Well done in naming someone better than him right now on current form, you really showed me.
Dubai_Devil said:
i wasn't trying to go one better on you DD. i just stated my opinion. i think it's too early to judge panesar. you don't have to like or agree with my comments.
mehro said:
He has played three tests, i've have come to the conclusion that on current form he is the best finger spinner in the world, whether that changes or not in the future we shall have to see, but on current form he is the best in the world.
And I am trying to go one better on you, so there.
Dubai_Devil said:
your opinion doesn't count for any more than mine does. and i don't give a shit what you think.
mehro said:
Of course it does, i'm more informed than you and am able to give a much more accurate account of things because of my superior intelect, therefore my opinion does count for more than yours.
Whether you choose to heed my sound advice and learn from my immense wisdom is up to you, I just give you the truth, I can't force you to accept it.
Thank you.
Dubai_Devil said:
i reeeeaaaaaally don't give a flying feck.
I know you don't, ignorance is bliss.
Dowders_Jnr said:
good post
monty will be an integral part of our attack for years too come.
he out bowled danish kaneria on a wicket he shouldnt have not done.
finger spin is making a comeback and monty could if he carries on improving join the ranks of the greats like lance gibbs, underwood, laker and the wonderull bishen bedi.
You can't see his scalp, he wears a turban.mubarak said:
Monty will wipe the Aussies this winter - I think he is excellent and plays with heart. I love how the fans have taken a liking to him - All we now need is an Indian playing in the Premiership!
Dowders_Jnr said:
At home... I'll reserve judgement till after the Ashes. He's got mentally tougher than Phil Tufnell, I'll give him that.