MPFG Draft R1: General_Elegancia/Invi vs Jim Beam

With players at their peak, who would win?


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General_Elegancia/Invi

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Jim Beam

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General_Elegancia/Invi Tactics

  • Formation: Asymmetric 4—3—3, with Alfredo Di Stéfano as the box-to-box “architect” of the team.
  • Style: Aggressive and proactive, lots of pressing and also interplay given the personnel at hand, and an emphasis on the attacking side of the game.
  • How the role suits the GOAT: healthy combination of industry and technical prowess around him, well-timed runs and movement in and out of possession, the freedom to influence the proceedings and proverbially be at the heart of the game at almost all times, the absence of some megalomaniac twerp who will challenge his authority in vain, and also the chance to regularly explore the inside left segment of the pitch...
  • How the Peaches suit the GOAT (and the philosophy at large):

DEFENSE

Andoni Zubizarreta:
as the goalkeeper of the Dream Team at Cruyff's Barcelona, Zubizarreta was technically accomplished, a forward-thinking organizer, adept at rushing off his zone and playing with high defensive lines, had a keen positional sense, was stylish yet efficient as a distributor of the ball, and also a noteworthy shot-stopper. Good fit for the approach, and possesses the skill set to consistently and directly feed the ball to Di Stéfano.




David Alaba: part of several aggressive teams that employed high lines over the years with Bayern (from Heynckes' Champions League winners to Flick's Champions League winners), one of the best ball-playing defenders of his generation, an intelligent presser and counter-presser, proficient at effortlessly transitioning from defense to attack, could shunt up and down the flank but also tuck in if need be. Good fit for the approach; and wrt. Di Stéfano, Alaba could stretch the field on the left, provide industry and movement and guile, and also link up at the edge of the inside-left zone of midfield.

Ruud Krol: the quintessential totaalvoetbal defender, complete in a myriad aspects. Intuitive strategist, very smooth on the ball, above-average recovery speed and speed in general, comfortable in wider areas, and possessed a sixth-sense for danger. Good fit for the approach, matches the totaalvoetballing principles of the GOAT (who was arguably the most complete footballer of them all) and can also use his passing range to bring Di Stéfano into the game.

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Kalidou Koulibaly: first of all, he excelled as the defensive stalwart of teams that prioritized possession and maintained high lines — which speaks volumes about his spatial intelligence, technical capabilities and positional foresight. Secondly, he was a very good athlete with eye-catching explosiveness and also a capable ball-carrier. And lastly, he was an aggressive and robust defender who anticipated things before they happened and was strong in the tackle (and particularly suited to playing against tall-ish striker type center forwards). Good fit for the approach, and while there are not going to be too many direct interactions between him and Di Stéfano, he would certainly help by keeping the opposition at bay and transitioning the ball from defense to midfield.

Sandy Jardine: Mr. Consistent for most of his career...capable in all phases of the game; a tenacious fullback who boasted good technical skills, pace in offensive and defensive transitions, stamina to go up-and-down and present himself as an option for the ball, and the discipline to always mind his positional duties. The fact that McGrain was often moved to the left for Scotland does say a thing or two about Jardine's performances back in the day. Good fit for the approach, should offer himself as a a receiving option out wide (when Di Stéfano targets that part of the pitch) and could also ping the ball to the main man from advantageous positions.


MIDFIELD

Wim Jansen:
a no-nonsense, energetic, selfless, combative and versatile player who could operate as a defensive midfielder, defensive box-to-box midfielder, fullback or even central defender on occasion. Good fit for the approach because the famous organization and press of the Dutch national team was predicated on his characteristics as a tackler and stabilizer in midfield, along with his tactical intelligence and nose for covering spaces; and well suited to an archetypal water-carrier role in service of the leading light, Di Stéfano.

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Bernd Schuster: a spielmacher with a wide range of stand-out qualities. Exquisite dribbler, innovative passer in short, medium and long ranges, dynamic in and out of possession, aggressive in the tackle, scored a lot of goals over the course of his career, and athletically a force of nature who could forcefully traverse vast spaces. Good fit for the approach; and also, he forged a short-lived but wonderful alliance with Maradona at Barcelona, which should suit Di Stéfano — with Schuster being his trusted partner, buzzing in the vicinity...sometimes alongside and sometimes behind or ahead (the Blonde Engel to go with the Blond Arrow).




ATTACK

René Houseman:
a slippery snake in human form. Outrageously skilled, tenacious and resourceful as a dribbler, imaginative as a passing playmaker, good at switching play, possessed with a maddening turn of direction and deviously quick.

Houseman is a mixture of Maradona and Garrincha
César Menotti

Him and the GOAT should get on like a house on fire, in our opinion — as a winger, Houseman has a gift for stretching the pitch, creating something out of nothing and isolating his marker (and the wily Di Stéfano can benefit from or exploit those factors in a lot of different ways).

Jupp Heynckes: in his footballing days, Heynckes struck a telepathic understand with the fabled controller, Günter Netzer. A wing forward by nature, he made significant contributions during the build-up stages, was a willing and tireless runner both on and off the ball, possessed an excellent turn of pace and rhythm and was a threat in the air, and had a memorable 3 year peak where he plundered 129 goals in 139 matches at club level for a goals-per-game ratio of 0.93. Good fit for the approach, and also a smashing fit with Di Stéfano given his movement, industriousness, tactical foresight and eye for goal.

As a player, Heynckes was a ruthless goalscorer who helped drive Gladbach to their most successful era. On the field, his once wavy hair danced as part of a deceptively powerful body that bagged roughly 0.7 goals per match over the course of 308 games. It’s a phenomenal record split between two spells from 1963 to 1978.


Rudi Völler: a multi-faceted center forward, Völler could function as the point of attack (like the 1984 European Championship, where he was selected in the Team of the Tournament) or in twin-pronged strike force (like the 1990 World Cup, where he formed a thunderous combination with Jürgen Klinsmann and set the stage for playmakers like Lothar Matthäus, Andreas Brehme, Pierre Littbarski and Thomas Häßler). Good fit for the approach as he was combative and worked his bollocks off and even engaged in a bit of competitive shithousery, offered plenty of movement and verve up front, brought deeper players into the game and scored with aplomb (with his feet or his head); good fit with Di Stéfano as well, for those exact reasons.




And finally, a bit on our lord and savior...


"Alfredo Di Stéfano was the greatest footballer of all time. He was, simultaneously, the anchor in defence, the playmaker in midfield, and the most dangerous marksman in attack."
Helenio Herrera
"I can say that Maradona could be worse than Pelé. But I emphasize Di Stéfano was better".
Diego Maradona
"The greatness of Di Stéfano was that, with him in your side, you had two players in every position."
Miguel Muñoz
No other player so effectively combined individual expertise with an all-embracing ability to organize a team to play to his command. He was "total soccer" personified before the term had been invented. Di Stéfano remains to many of us the Greatest Footballer of All Time."
Keir Radnedg
Ronaldo is playing extremely well at the moment, but it will be years before he reaches the level of a Pelé or Di Stéfano."
Johan Cruyff

Jim Beam Tactics

Tactics
: 4-2-3-1; direct, counter attacking, getting second balls and playing with a high tempo

Key figures: the team was build to get the best out of Kylian Mbappe and Bobby Charlton who should thrive with this tactics and personnel around them. That's not to say they are the only one who can hurt the opposition because with Simonsen and Careca around the threat can come from every position. The intent is always the same with all my teams. The attacking threat should and is coming from multiple sources... The trickery and penetrating ability of Simonsen and Mbappe with Careca predatory instincts and Charlton looming from behind.

Why Careca?

Once I got Mbappe the intent was always to find a striker who is a constant goal threat on his own, but also has great link up play and can stretch the opposition being on the move at all times allowing space for Mbappe, Charlton and Simonsen. Think that Careca fits the description perfectly and considering the format of the draft a right opportunity for him to shine.

An electrifying player at his peak and absolute menace to deal with being able to bring everyone into play. Maradona called him the best player in the world at the time insisting on his transfer to Napoli. It's usual to hear such things from a teammate, but Careca was one of the best in the business in that period and most of all a team player with great individual ability.





The rest of the team

World cup winning combo of fullbacks in Jorginho and Branco with a rock solid CB partnership of Vierchowod and McGrath. Paulo Sousa is another name that is underrated in the draft terms with an ability to dictate the play from the deep or come between the CB's initiating attacks. Tigana doesn't need much introduction and same with Simonsen who was one of the best players in the 70's. Mbappe body of work by the age of 23 is worthy of any all time great and he is pretty much unarguardable in his element especially because he will have a chance to isolate his fullback with Simonsen, Charlton and Careca in this team.


Thoughts on the opposition

Like the team and has some favorites of mine in Di Stefano and Schuster for example. Just think that it falls a bit short overall in quality especially as this team has an ability to slow down Di Stefano with Tigana, Sousa and CB partnership.

In football it can always go either way, but I think it is more likely that my attacking potential comes on top in a close game more often than not.[/QUOTE]
 
Real-life performance 31 years ago, Rudi Voller's performance against Vierchowod and strong Sampdoria( a top 5 team in the world at that time) that lost only 3 games and a champion in Serie-A and had some notable players like Vierchowod, Pagliluca, Cerezo, Mancini, Mykhaylychenko( USSR) and Vialli.





Almost a pre-assist while being marked by Vierchowod.
Assist for Berthold's goal while being marked by Vierchowod
Pre-assist for penalty while being marked by Vierchowod.
Penalty scored. Roma 3—1 Sampdoria.
 
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Krol and Koulibaly, Napoli legendary defenders

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Attributes for defenders in high-line

Fast
: If someone can break our high defensive line, especially with fast attackers. We just need someone who can chase down and make a last-ditch tackle on the opponent's forward. Unless that opponent's forwards will have a chance to 1 on 1 with a goalkeeper, when they break our defensive line. Krol and Koulibaly are fast as hell, both are classified as fast defenders who have great speed to recover anything else, and both are comfortable defending in wide areas, especially Krol, a former left-back.


A person who commands the backline: It's imperative in this system, you need someone who can bark and command your defensive line. They will command to instruct your defense to move up in the field. Krol is capable of doing that job since he had the experience to lead the defensive line on a lot of occasions like during WC1978, Ajax, or Napoli. Koulibaly will follow his instructions in this game.

Both are great passers on the ball: Koulibaly is famously known for his passing range and accuracy of his passing. He's also a great progressive passer too. His ball-playing ability is top-notch compared to present days center-backs. Krol was also a great passer from the back, especially 30 yards-long passing. Both are comfortable with the ball, which is very important for modern center-backs. Oh, and both are known for their ability to carry the ball out of defence.

Extra defender: My sweeper keeper will help in this department. He will participate in the build-up phase from the back, come off the line to reduce the space with the last defender and they will probably intercept the long ball before Beam's players get it. Zubizarreta will be an additional defender on my team.

Tactical knowledge: Krol is capable one of the most versatile defenders of all time with great knowledge of the game and decision-making. Krol also had opportunities to play under two revolutionary managers who used high-line in Happel and Michels( both in lb and sweeper). Koulibaly was a captain of Napoli and a leader of Napoli's defense. So, I don't have any worries in this department.

Their style of playing: Krol will act more as a sweeper and Koulibaly will act more as a stopper as he always plays. It fits both player's way of playing perfectly.

Alaba: He will help in defensive phase ( both central and wide area), especially he fits against someone who tends to cut inside aka inside-forward. He's versatile enough to play in cb or lb.


Krol's stats as a sweeper could tell you a lot of things, especially passes and progressive passes ( World Cup 1978)

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Koulibaly's information

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“I would like to play with Koulibaly"

" Koulibaly is certainly a great defender, but in my opinion he is not yet capable of organizing the whole defensive line.
 
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Informative posts about Jupp Heyknckses, credit to lovely @Joga Bonito

Here are some gifs of Jupp Heynckes, for those who don't know much about him apart from his goalscoring records, which was nothing short of tremendous to say the least.


To reiterate

  • 3rd highest goalscorer in Bundesliga history
  • Bundesliga top scorer: 1973–74, 1974–75
  • European Cup top scorer: 1975–76
  • UEFA Cup Winners' Cup top scorer: 1973–74
  • UEFA Cup top scorer: 1972–73, 1974–75
  • Scored five goals in 2 UEFA Cup Finals
  • 23 goals in 21 games in the UEFA Cup - only member in the top 10 goalscoring lists to have scored at a ratio of over a goal per game.
  • 51 goals in 64 matches in European club competitions - Average of 0.8 goals per match only bettered by compatriot Gerd Müller
  • UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 1972

As stated in the OP his all-round game was excellent and he wasn't just a static and an opportunistic goalscorer but rather a fairly complete forward who had his share of pace and threat on the ball outside the box. Qualities which allowed him to thrive in the fluid Gladbach vintage (which won 4 Bundesliga against Beckenbauer's Bayern) and function seamlessly (as an inside right alongside Der Bomber) in Germany's greatest side ever in 1972 which won the Euros.


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Running the inside left channels and playing the perfect return pass for Netzer - some one two that although credit largely needs to go to Netzer of course::D

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A quickfire goal from outside the box with great movement


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Another goal where he exhibits great movement to capitalise on Netzer's creativity and scores against La Grande Inter in the European Cup

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Scores in the UEFA Cup Final against the dippers with a cracking curler from the inside left channel, with Rupp functioning as the centre-forward

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Shows excellent trickery to get past his man and put in an dangerous ball

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Once again Netzer :drool: picks out Heynckes on the left and Heynckes exhibits his threat on the ball outside the box and creates a nice assist for Jensen after beating two men.


In addition to his 5 UEFA Cup final goals,



His second goal :drool:


Heynckes played a starring role in the 1972 Euros final against Khurtsilava's Soviet Union - playing a direct role in all 3 of Germany's goals.


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(Heynckes rifles in a shot and Der Bomber converts the rebound for the opener)


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(Great ball for Wimmer for the second from the inside left channels)


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Fantastic reverse pass for Der Bomber's second and the game's third)


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A replay of that reverse pass. Schwarzenbeck :D




A collection of his goals from the 2 mins mark to the 4.45 min mark for those interested. Some brilliant ones in there.
 
Glad to see Houseman featuring. Along with Futre, one of the wingers who needs to feature more often.
 
Careca is such a great player and underpriced (in terms of actual quality) at 45m. Needs to become a draft regular.

Both great teams.

I rate Beam's XI a little higher on average quality, made possible by the bargain buys of Careca and Mbappe (cheeky bastard). General/Invi obviously have Di Stefano, who looks in a great spot surrounded by fitting role players and some serious individual ability, as it should be.

My hunch is Beam's team is a little better equipped defensively to deal with the opposition threat. The CB pair is fantastic.
 
Also, gotta love these super-authentic Barbosa nicknames. "The Flying German", "The White Shark", "The Magic Dwarf", "Der Rebell"... seriously, who comes up with this :lol:
 
Rene Houseman's profile

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He was considered as " one of the best right wingers that come from Argentina". A precious talent with excellent dribbling ability and great acceleration made him unstoppable for the opponent's left full/wing-back. He was also an ambidextrous player, which gave him a lot of advantages or even more unstoppable. He hit his peak between 1973-1978 when he was a key player that won the 1973 Metropolitano championship. During that period Hurucan was also a top club in Argentina when the gap between South America and football didn't have that much as today. He participated in World Cup 1974 and performed well as he scored 3 goals in that tournament and IMO his performance in WC1974 was easily better than his performance in World Cup1978, despite he was a world champion in that tournament.

His career didn't shine as much as people hoped due to his alcoholism problem and that affected his performance. He never participated in any international tournaments( Copa America and World Cup) after World Cup 1978 and after 1981 he never performed at the top level or in the top club again.


Rene's accolades throughout his career

Club[edit]
Defensores de Belgrano

Club Atlético Huracán|Huracán

Independiente

International[edit]
Argentina

Houseman is a mixture of Maradona and Garrincha

— César Menotti[4]



His superb performance against Italy in 1974, he scored such a beautiful goal against some of the greatest defensive players like Dino Zoff, Giacinto Facchetti and Burgnich.




Overall compilation

What do I expect from him in this game?


I expect Houseman's agility, dribbling ability, and acceleration to make some serious trouble for Branco, who was famously known for his offensive capabilities like crossing and long-range/middle shooting.
 
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Not a helpful comment but this is really close and I think it's a draw. I like Beam's wide attacker and full-back combo better but Houseman could cause Branco problems and Krol could release him on the counter with a long-diagonal.
 
@Jim Beam Brazilians are from back when footballers married regular people. My money is on Cañizares or Paulo Sousa.
 
That dirty dog Di Stefano has probably wangled himself onto the Perv Panel with Anto, Forty and GSTQ.
 
Apologies, something came up and don't think I can proceed in this one, so declare General/Invi as winners please. Thanks.
 
Lucky man @Šjor Bepo

Had a quick stab last night and, indeed, Paulo Sousa had you against the ropes

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Mrs Robinson-Krol had no chance
 
Apologies, something came up and don't think I can proceed in this one, so declare General/Invi as winners please. Thanks.
Sorry for being reply late, you’ve made an excellent team Jim. Mbappe is probably the smartest pick since he’s worth 30m.

Good luck Lawyer!:)