Modern Draft Round 1: Willhse456 Vs. Team Beam

Who will win this match


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Willhse456 --------------------Vs. -------------------------Team Beam

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Tactics Willhse456

In the heart of my defence is Vincent Kompany. Kompany was arguably the best centre back in the world from the period 2011-2015. I hope that he is not judged harshly due to the fact that he plays for a rival. He had everything in his prime, aggressive in the tackle, good reading of the game, as well as decent ball playing ability.



Partnering him is Neven Subotic. Whilst Hummels was the dominant defender in the Dortmund set-up, Subotic was also crucial, and I think he'd be a great partner for Kompany in this team. Once again, he was great at covering for Hummels and producing last minute clearances and tackles, as well as having great vision to pick out a pass. Whilst he wasn't blessed with pace, I think Kompany would be able to cover for him suitably.

The fullbacks are Marcel Schmelzer and Thomas Meunier. Both are fairly balanced full backs, both better at defending than going forward, however will be given license to go forward when the opportunity arises.

Anchoring the midfield will be Nemanja Matic. In his prime, a brilliant defensive midfielder, and in my opinion one of the best in this pool. He was brilliant at both passing and breaking up play. He reads the game perfectly, and this formation is perfect for him, operating besides a deep lying playmaker, which brought out the best from him at Chelsea. This game away at City showcases his abilities perfectly:



Then we come to the famous Thiago Alcantara. Oh, what could have been. Operating as a deep lying playmaker, and linking the play between defence and attack. He is perfect for circling possession around the midfield, one of the best in the game at this moment. I think he would form a perfect partnership with Matic, which would echo the Premier League winning partnership between Matic and Fabregas, but I think Thiago would be better at Fabregas' role, as he has more energy and can run with higher levels of intensity.

Mesut Ozil tops off the midfield, and is arguably the best centre attacking midfielder in this pool. He was frightening for Real Madrid, and has notched up an insane amount of assists with his deadly through balls. He was amazing during Real Madrid's record breaking season, feeding Ronaldo with plenty of chances. Here he has the perfect base behind him to wreak havoc, as he is given the freedom to roam the pitch.



On the right, I have Juan Cuadrado. He offers incredible energy and pace to the side, and will play as a proper winger providing a good amount of width to the side. Whilst also quick, he possesses great dribbling ability and can also track back and help Meunier, as he has experience of playing as a wingback.

On the left is Thomas Lemar, one of the stars of the Monaco team that reached the semi finals of the Champions League. A great player that can play in any of the three positions behind the striker, and will be able to provide great link up play with both Ozil and Suarez.

My striker is arguably the best striker of the last decade. Almost dragged Liverpool to their first title in years, scoring 31 league goals in 33 games. He then formed a formidable partnership with Messi and Neymar, as he went on to lift the Champions League. He is my favourite type of striker, incredibly energetic, quick, great eye for goal and has a bit of bite to him :wenger:. Luis Suarez would be a menace for any defence, and would take a lot to stop, especially with Ozil providing great service.

Tactics Team Beam (Beam/Sjor/Tuppet)

In a football world dominated with possession based tactics and high defensive lines on the opposite side of the spectrum, there is a well-drilled defensive team with each and every player carrying out their defensive duties to the absolute utmost.

Operating with a far limited budget compared to their biggest rivals and top teams in Europe their tactic ensures that the team and every individual perform at the highest level making them a source of fascination in their own right and one of the most brutally effective teams in Europe...


Tactics – All in all it's just another brick in the wall



Formation: narrow, compact and highly discipline 4-4-2;

The advantage of such a set-up is that when there is a loose ball, there are players standing close together in the same areas waiting to get it and hit the opponent on the counter.

The team will try to cut forward passing lines at all times and the players in the middle will be closely marked with little time or space on the ball, so the opponent will be forced to play it back or on the flanks mostly.

Mentality: high energy and industrious;

Our defensive press will increase as soon as there is a bad touch from the opponent or when the ball is on the flanks far from our penalty area. These are so-called low-risk/high-reward situations and mean that the team will press fanatically when the opposition player has a minimal chance to escape it while on the other hand, the chance of a counter-attack is high.

As soon as the team wins the ball, it will attack the opponent with devastating speed.

To successfully implement this tactic, it requires extremely high levels of discipline, concentration, work-rate and a team effort from absolutely every single player on the pitch, including our strikers, and this team has exactly that in it's personal.


Defence

There is not much to ask about two central defenders. It's quite simply the best two centerbacks in the word that make comfortably the best pairing in the draft with Diego Godin and Raphael Varane accompanied with two hard-working, warrior mentality fullbacks in Alex Sandro and Rafael Da Silva all the while being protected with a three times in a row Champions League winner in goal, Keylor Navas.
Godin has the rare quality to make any defender next to him better so we saw a decent player like Miranda performing on a world-class level, even a fairly average defender like Savic looked very good so you can only imagine how good would Varane look as he is at worst a top 3 center-back in the world.


Midfield

Luis Gustavo and Marcelo Brozovic give enormous engine to our midfield, along with the ball winning ability and will be instructed to quickly release the ball when they win it to ensure the constant threat on the counter, that shouldnt really be a problem as thats their natural game. Both are tactically astute and sound technically so they fit the system perfectly.

On the wings, Son Heung-Min and Arda Turan, will provide both defensive cover and attacking threat by feeding the front two or just making the runs behind the opponent defence. Some will forget how brilliant Arda was for Atletico because of his Barca days but he was a proper warrior, type of player that is very hard to find. Number "10" with qualities of a box-to-box midfielder and warrior mentality. Great ability on the ball, can carry the ball, has an eye for the pass and is a creative spark of that midfield four even though they create most of their attacks through team-work and work-rate.
Son on the other hand will offer something different while in possession, fairly direct player that is great both on and off the ball, can dribble past player but most importantly will make off the ball runs all day long, can see him linking up well with Firmino.


Attack

The team completes their line up with Roberto Firmino, who while being exceptionally technically sound, is also one of the hardest working forwards and Jamie Vardy who will thrive in this counter-attacking set-up as he always does. Most underrated striker of the PL and the one that everyone wanted to fail, one season wonder that wasnt.
Firmino pretty much emphasis what Atletico is all about, he will be the offensive glue of the team and a first and best defender in the team, will be used as a trigger for team press.
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There isnt a one person that thought Vardy isnt a one season wonder during the course of that Leicester title winning season, ourself included but the guy proved as all wrong; double espresso, red bulls and party continues. Scored more then 35 goals in the league since that season as well as scoring in knock-out stages of CL against Sevilla and Atletico;
Thats whats the most important thing here, at what occasions he scores and against who. You would have a hard task if you wanted to find a better big game player then him at this given time, specially if we ignore GOATs of our time.
Mr. Hollywood is breaking record after record, after famously breaking Ruud Van Nistelrooy record of scoring in 10 consecutive games(Vardy scored 13 in 11) he was also the first that scored against every top 6 team in the same campaign.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/622634
 
good luck @willhse456

In our opinion we will close the shop central wise as we have both muscle and legs over willhs midfield so they will be forced wide and from there we are comfortable because thats what we want, thats what the team can defend 0-24 and there are no special players out wide to be all that concerned. Think both wingers would more benefit with the other fullback, Cuadrado i never rated and while i rate Lemar highly he will cut into the spaces with zero or no space, if he stays wide and delivers i think Godin and Varane are more then comfortable defending those balls against the trio of Suarez, Ozil and Cuadrado.
 
Good luck @Šjor Bepo and @Jim Beam.

My initial observations:

  • Suarez has a record of 7 goals in 13 games against Atletico Madrid in his career, suggesting that he knows how to get past this system.
  • For this formation to work the back 4 and middle 4 need to be perfectly in sync. Koke played on the left in the CL final, and Son is a completely different player. Son would be very uncomfortable tucking into the middle to close the space, he has shown his best form playing as a striker next to Kane.
  • I don't think your fullbacks are suited to this system either, in fact mine would be a much better fit. Rafael is far too rash, whilst Sandro is at his best going forward.
  • With your team dropping deep, I have the best player around for finding a bit of space and providing a killer ball that splits the defence in Ozil.
(Apologies if formatting looks odd, I'm on my phone)
 
  • Dont want to take anything from Suarez, brilliant player and one of the best strikers in the pool but his record against Atletico is not that relevant here as he played all those games with this guy:
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  • Disagree, his best football came from the left while Kane and Alli played as front two of sorts, Poch teams are very compact and work hard as a team off the ball so there are a lot of similarities and contact points with Cholo's game.
  • While i understand your point about Rafa although i disagree obviously, think Cholo would love his warrior mentality and he is the last one to leave someone behind because he plays the game on the edge, just look at the players that played under him. Sandro on the other hand played in a very defensive Juve team and was usually among tournament leaders in defensive contributions in Champions League.
  • Ozil will be invisible in this game, Atletico system would eat him alive + while playing for Madrid he was usually on the right wing and not in the middle for those reasons because it was much easier to him to find space there.
 
Beam is working on a piece about Brozovic so just to remind everyone how good Gustavo was and by all accounts still is, lead Marseille to a Europa League Final and think he ended up in a TOTS in france. But we are very much using the peak version, Bayern version of him, think Ronaldo and Ozil still have nightmares about him.


And this is what Kevin De Bruyne said about him:
 
  • Dont want to take anything from Suarez, brilliant player and one of the best strikers in the pool but his record against Atletico is not that relevant here as he played all those games with this guy:
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  • Disagree, his best football came from the left while Kane and Alli played as front two of sorts, Poch teams are very compact and work hard as a team off the ball so there are a lot of similarities and contact points with Cholo's game.
  • While i understand your point about Rafa although i disagree obviously, think Cholo would love his warrior mentality and he is the last one to leave someone behind because he plays the game on the edge, just look at the players that played under him. Sandro on the other hand played in a very defensive Juve team and was usually among tournament leaders in defensive contributions in Champions League.
  • Ozil will be invisible in this game, Atletico system would eat him alive + while playing for Madrid he was usually on the right wing and not in the middle for those reasons because it was much easier to him to find space there.

  • Son can play on the left (although I'll agree to disagree that he plays best up front next to Kane) however there's a massive difference between playing as a left winger and a left midfielder. Koke is given the creative responsibility in the Atletico side, and I don't think Son would be able to replicate that as they're completely different players.
  • I think Matic and Thiago have proven to be a much better set of midfielders in their prime in comparison to Gustavo and Brozovic, and I can see them running the game. Thiago, in particular, is very comfortable against the press and should have no problem circulating possession.
  • Ozil does have the potential to drift out of games admittedly, but at the same time Atletico's system doesn't produce many goals, and perhaps all it would take is one well timed through ball to Suarez for the game to be over.
 
  • Son can play on the left (although I'll agree to disagree that he plays best up front next to Kane) however there's a massive difference between playing as a left winger and a left midfielder. Koke is given the creative responsibility in the Atletico side, and I don't think Son would be able to replicate that as they're completely different players.
  • I think Matic and Thiago have proven to be a much better set of midfielders in their prime in comparison to Gustavo and Brozovic, and I can see them running the game. Thiago, in particular, is very comfortable against the press and should have no problem circulating possession.
  • Ozil does have the potential to drift out of games admittedly, but at the same time Atletico's system doesn't produce many goals, and perhaps all it would take is one well timed through ball to Suarez for the game to be over.

  • Its not a necessity to have 2 midfielders on the wing, as long as you are disciplined tactically and you work hard defensively you are fine, thats why Carrasco worked fine(even scored in a CL final) and thats why they signed Lemar.
  • Im one of the biggest fan of Thiago here but he has a lot to prove at highest level, God tier talent though so yeah i dont mind putting him in as individually best midfielder on the park. Gustavo i rate comfortably ahead of Matic while yeah, Brozovic i cant really argue as he plays in a crap league for a crap team but im comfortable once he moves from there he will prove to be a better player then Matic, for this time you can have Matic as the better one. But its not about individual quality, both Broz and Gustavo are perfect tactical fits so im confident id be winning the midfield battle, you can have the ball though.
 
Don't see how Gustavo is better than Matic, he was good fit maybe 6 months apart for that he's been nothing special.

Wills team has more goals imo and would take this game.
 
One of the main ways to score against Atletico's system is to break through the line of defence out wide, as they completely congest the space in the middle. Juan Cuadrado is perfect for this, one of the quickest wingers in the modern game and would surely get in behind Sandro a few times. I also don't think Son is the best fit for tracking back when Meunier gets forward, which could create an overlap.

Once they're in behind the line of defence, it would be fairly easy to cut the ball back into the box where one of the most lethal strikers in the modern game would be finishing the chances.
 
Don't see how Gustavo is better than Matic, he was good fit maybe 6 months apart for that he's been nothing special.

Wills team has more goals imo and would take this game.

i just dont rate Matic that highly.

As for the other thing, does he? He has Suarez who is the best goalscorer on the pitch but other then that he doesnt have much. But even if he has, most teams have that edge over Atletico yet they beat them time and time again. Football just doesnt work like that, Team A has more goals then Team B therefor they will win....they might have more goals on paper but they will also have more difficulties to get to those goals given the tactics and personnel in place.
 
One more thing to note:

Firmino isn't really a goalscorer, his best form has come as a striker for Liverpool, but his role is to create space and provide for Salah, with his average positioning usually deeper than Salah.

This means that the goalscoring burden falls heavily onto Vardy's shoulders, and I think a prime Kompany would be able to deal with him quite comfortably, especially with the defensive support surrounding him.
 
One more thing to note:

Firmino isn't really a goalscorer, his best form has come as a striker for Liverpool, but his role is to create space and provide for Salah, with his average positioning usually deeper than Salah.

This means that the goalscoring burden falls heavily onto Vardy's shoulders, and I think a prime Kompany would be able to deal with him quite comfortably, especially with the defensive support surrounding him.

While we agree Firmino isnt a goalscorer, in fact he is disgusted with himself and cant even look when scoring
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he is still comfortably better scorer then any of your players bar Suarez and for our team he is a second goalscoring threat. Glue of this team and absolutely amazing footballer, if only he played for us :(
Regarding Vardy and Kompany, Vardy record against top teams is second to none so if he was able to score against all those teams and defenders i have no doubt he would score against Kompany and a fairly slow Subotic if given the chance.
 
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Good to see Vardy in the team as the lead goal scorer.. He’s been a top performer for a while. Not completely sold on the midfield two for Team Beam but other than that a beautifully constructed team. Love the use of Son here as well

Suarez is the biggest goal threat but is also up against 2 great defenders. Both teams look good.. Will read some more before voting
 
Beam is working on a piece about Brozovic

Beam can't see much from the size of the papers in his office but will try to put something together in the evening.

One of the main ways to score against Atletico's system is to break through the line of defence out wide, as they completely congest the space in the middle. Juan Cuadrado is perfect for this, one of the quickest wingers in the modern game and would surely get in behind Sandro a few times. I also don't think Son is the best fit for tracking back when Meunier gets forward, which could create an overlap.

Once they're in behind the line of defence, it would be fairly easy to cut the ball back into the box where one of the most lethal strikers in the modern game would be finishing the chances.

Just a quick answer about this one. That is completely incorrect, not sure where did you get it. Atletico plays narrowly and block the midfield of the park intentionally forcing the opponent to play the ball backward or on the wings and at that point, they usually press fanatically. One of the main reason is that they use the sideline of the pitch as the extra defender blocking most of the passing lines for the player with not so many options like in other areas. Most of Atletico counters starts from taking the ball from the wings and it's one of their main pressing triggers.
Cuadrado won't get anywhere with Sandro on him and his way of playing where he relies on his speed and not linking up with others doesn't suit Suarez (or probably anyone) who is used to have much more creative options around him. And he is the exact type of winger we are happy to be against.

We are more than happy for you to have the ball far away from our area and knowing Matic and Thiago way of playing they will have around a million touches with the ball, but many of them won't be dangerous and penetrative, especially because there won't be much options in the middle. As much as I rate both players I don't think our system will make them thrive in it. On the opposite, I feel like it will just highlight the things many people hold against them and that's not taking enough initiative and holding the ball for too much. As for Ozil, can't see him being much of an influence in this kind of game which leaves you with your wingers, one of which is Cuadrado, and Suarez pretty isolated imo. Suarez with Godin and Varane on his back.
 
Cheers, btw whats the issue with the midfield?
Not a big fan of brozovic but to be fair haven’t seen too much of him. Few times that I have seen him play he hasn’t impressed me that much
 
Not a big fan of brozovic but to be fair haven’t seen too much of him. Few times that I have seen him play he hasn’t impressed me that much

Didnt you watch WC? Him alongside Lovren, Rakitic and Modric was light years ahead of anyone in that team, you have match compilations on youtube but unfortunately they are combined with Perisic but still, you can watch it. Pretty much a tailor made player for Cholo system, good football brain(absolute moron of the pitch though), tactically astute, can run for days, very good technically.

 
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@2mufc0 I know the rule, sent the massage this morning to Indy letting him know who will lead the discussion, so everything is clear in advance. I have 1 post in this thread. Not sure what is the problem tbh

I know this is my second post also
 
@2mufc0 I know the rule, sent the massage this morning to Indy letting him know who will lead the discussion, so everything is clear in advance. I have 1 post in this thread. Not sure what is the problem tbh

I know this is my second post also

and you know whats your last one, bring your vodka...
 
Beam can't see much from the size of the papers in his office but will try to put something together in the evening.



Just a quick answer about this one. That is completely incorrect, not sure where did you get it. Atletico plays narrowly and block the midfield of the park intentionally forcing the opponent to play the ball backward or on the wings and at that point, they usually press fanatically. One of the main reason is that they use the sideline of the pitch as the extra defender blocking most of the passing lines for the player with not so many options like in other areas. Most of Atletico counters starts from taking the ball from the wings and it's one of their main pressing triggers.
Cuadrado won't get anywhere with Sandro on him and his way of playing where he relies on his speed and not linking up with others doesn't suit Suarez (or probably anyone) who is used to have much more creative options around him. And he is the exact type of winger we are happy to be against.

We are more than happy for you to have the ball far away from our area and knowing Matic and Thiago way of playing they will have around a million touches with the ball, but many of them won't be dangerous and penetrative, especially because there won't be much options in the middle. As much as I rate both players I don't think our system will make them thrive in it. On the opposite, I feel like it will just highlight the things many people hold against them and that's not taking enough initiative and holding the ball for too much. As for Ozil, can't see him being much of an influence in this kind of game which leaves you with your wingers, one of which is Cuadrado, and Suarez pretty isolated imo. Suarez with Godin and Varane on his back.

I understand the point being made here, however there are weaknesses to every system. Atletico clearly aren't impenetrable as suggested, otherwise they would concede no goals and win every title.

I have one direct winger in Cuadrado, and then on the other side I have Lemar who has a better level of link up play. I think Lemar, Suarez, Ozil and occasionally Thiago are very capable of producing clever bits of movement and link up play.

When saying there is no one to provide penetrating passes, that is exactly what Ozil is for, and what he was so good at doing when he played for Real Madrid. It's a very easy argument to say that he's lazy or will go missing, but there's no doubt he's one of the best creative passer's around as he is near the top of the list of assists in the last 5/6 years.

Suarez has proven his worth against both Godin and Varane. Suarez helped Barcelona win 4-0 away at Madrid, whilst Messi was on the bench for instance.
 
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I'm maybe one of the few that rate highly Luiz Gustavo. Have picked him in the pas in all time draft or something and really do rate him.

It's a nice 4-4-2 from team Bepo, I really like it and especially that defence, which narrowly provides the edge.

On the other side will has really done well with his maiden appearance here. It's a classic advantage on the flanks against excellent center base game.

will's spine is really great. Apart from Suarez tho there is a bit of lack of goalscoring options, apart from Ozil who is also mainly a creator. It's unfortunately that he faces the best CB in the pool, who would limit Suarez's impact on the game.
 
Great game @Šjor Bepo @Jim Beam, what happens now?

You win, we didn't record our picking time.

Think this is pretty fair as I can see the game going 1-1 in some cagey affair and then Atletico losing it on penalties with Arda smashing his one into the terrace...

Congrats, like your team and some well made arguments during the game. Best of luck going forward.
 
Brozovic holds a World Cup record in distance traveled, record was set in the SF game against England.
https://www.fedenerazzurra.net/news...orld-cup-record-in-distance-traveled-16339-km

Sorry for digging this, but this has to be the most random shit ever. What did he won, free miles with British Airways?

This was the time for "...pounding over every blade of grass, competing if he would rather die of exhaustion than lose, he inspired all around him..." or some other draft selling nonsense. You absolute goose.

Love, Jim.
 
Sorry for digging this, but this has to be the most random shit ever. What did he won, free miles with British Airways?

This was the time for "...pounding over every blade of grass, competing if he would rather die of exhaustion than lose, he inspired all around him..." or some other draft selling nonsense. You absolute goose.

Love, Jim.

Is that whiskey i smell?