Modern Draft R1: Indnyc vs Gio

Who will win this match?

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Indnyc--------------------------------------------------------Gio​

Indnyc write up

Formation: 3-4-2-1/3-4-3

Tactics: High Press with emphasis on quick play and ball retention. Loosely based on the 3-4-2-1 used by Bayern
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Defense: Alaba and Valencia play at wing backs. As terrible as Valencia is now, at his peak the guy virtually ran our entire right flank. Alaba of course is well suited to play in this role as he has played a similar role with Bayern

De Ligt is probably my weakest player given the short career. Having said that, he is probably one of the best players in the market and expected to move to a big team sooner rather than later. His performance Vs. United in the Europa league shows his defensive and ball playing skills.



Koscielny and Azpilicueta are pretty well known and rated so don't need to go too much into their profile.

Midfield

Nzonzi and Banega form the core of the Sevilla midfield of 2015-2016 when the won the Europa League. Nzonzi is more defensive of the 2 but both of them have incredible work rate and will press the opposition. Having played for Unai Emery both of them are adept at pressing and will harass the opposition midfield.

Attack

Coutinho, Reus and Lewandowski form a deadly attack and would be a handful for any defense. Excellent pace and an ability to press from the front

Gio write up


TACTICS: 4-2-3-1

WHY WE WILL WIN:​

  • Midfield control - De Bruyne and Vidal with Rabiot's support should boss the midfield area. Hamsik too will offer support and attacking punch. Each of them will get chances to get in behind Indnyc's midfield line to expose the opposition defence.
  • Defence that can match up to Indnyc's attacking threats. The hulking Koulibaly is a good fit for squaring up to Lewandowski and has been delivering top class performances for a number of seasons now. Most recently Koulibaly shut out the big Pole in Senegal's win in their World Cup match up.
  • Dzeko packs too much physical punch for a slightly soft central defensive pairing. Notwithstanding that Koscielny hit a good peak level for Arsenal, and De Ligt is one of the most promising defensive talents around, I'm not sure either are a good fit for getting to grips with Dzeko's presence and forceful forward play. His experience could bully the youth of Indync's defensive axis with two 19-year-olds in the one area of the team that requires nous and grizzled experience.

PLAYER PROFILES:

Manuel Neuer
One of the most dominating, pro-active and aggressive keepers of all time. Has won it all with Bayern and Germany and brings serious experience to the team.

Mario Fernandes
Turned down Real to sign for CSKA Moscow where he has been tearing it up since 2012. One of the standout defenders at the 2018 World Cup, notably shutting out Spain's left flank in the second round. True to his Brazilian roots, he offers plenty going forward as well, assisting Cheryshev in the World Cup against Egypt.

Fabio Coentrao
Swashbuckling left-back whose career peaked early at Benfica and Real Madrid. Has impressive international pedigree shining for Portugal at the 2010 World Cup and again at Euro 2012 where he was arguably the best left-back on show. In his 2009-2013 peak, he carried the ball with panache and was usually preferred to Marcelo by Mourinho when Real Madrid sought more defensive solidity as they faced the big boys in the Champions League.

Kalidou Koubilaly
Nicknamed The Wall or K2, the imposing Senegalese has been in the top handful of central defenders in the world over the last three years. Powerful, athletic and rangy, he is equally very comfortable in possession and can open up play with his tidy left peg. Has a fantastic spring which Ramos-style he can make count when it matters most, as he showed most emphatically with the late headed winner in the do-or-die title clash against Juventus in April.

Marquinhos
First choice at PSG since the age of 19, Marquinhos has matured into a reliable and dominating defender. Moulded in the image of Thiago Silva, he shares his compatriot's athleticism and slickness. Perhaps the best defender under the age of 25 in the world.

Adrien Rabiot
Like Marquinhos, first choice at PSG since his teenage days, Rabiot brings class, composure and presence to the heart of midfield. His rangy frame allows him to quickly intercept the ball, while his silky left foot consistently finds PSG's attackers.

Arturio Vidal
Hugely dominating box-to-box midfielder who has been a tour de force for Juventus and Bayern at club level. Scored heavily at his peak (33 goals in 2012/13 and 2013/14), but was always an all-round and complete player who contributed all over the park. With Chile he won back-to-back Copa Americas in 2015 and 2016, cruising into the Team of the Tournament in both years with his talismanic displays.

Kevin de Bruyne
In the last four seasons, De Bruyne has been his club's player of the year in three of them. Incisive passer who has cut open the most organised of defensive lines, he is the best crosser the league has seen since Beckham and is a two-footed threat from range. Complete attacking midfielder who reprises his inside-right channel 8/10 hybrid role here.

Marek Hamsik
Napoli's highest ever goalscorer having reached double figures on eight occasions. Versatile and has performed to a high level as a support striker, inside forward (on both sides), and more recently as a central midfielder. Here he reprises his inside-left role from 2012/13 when he boasted his highest average ratings of any Serie A season, scoring 11 goals and creating 17 assists in the league alone. Class act who poses serious danger in behind the midfield line.

Ezequiel Lavezzi
Fleet-footed and nimble winger who tore it up for Napoli in the late 2000s alongside Hamsik. An excellent dribbler who brings width, energy and acceleration to the attack.

Edin Dzeko
Has matured like a fine wine in recent years. Proven goalscorer who has five seasons with 24 goals or more. Perhaps more importantly has made a habit of scoring in the big games, netting home and away in last year's Champions League quarter-final against Barcelona, as well as both semi-final legs against Liverpool. In his last 24 European games he has netted a Cristiano-esque 19 times. Has a seriously impressive international record of 53 goals in 95 games for Bosnia and Herzegovina.
 
Some initial points to address the Op.

WHY WE WILL WIN:​
  • Midfield control - De Bruyne and Vidal with Rabiot's support should boss the midfield area. Hamsik too will offer support and attacking punch. Each of them will get chances to get in behind Indnyc's midfield line to expose the opposition defence.
Think the midfield is fairly evenly matched. Nzonzi and Banega played together for Sevilla and have some synergies there. Banega is up there with the best midfielders in the world right now. He's the main reason why Sevilla is top of La Liga right now

Add to this the Coutinho and Reus who will both drop in the midfield battle, i don't see you controlling the midfield
  • Defence that can match up to Indnyc's attacking threats. The hulking Koulibaly is a good fit for squaring up to Lewandowski and has been delivering top class performances for a number of seasons now. Most recently Koulibaly shut out the big Pole in Senegal's win in their World Cup match up
I think the Polish team is far worse than the service that Lewandowski will get here. I don't view Coentrao as a great defensive left back. He's going to struggle with Valencia and Reus
  • Dzeko packs too much physical punch for a slightly soft central defensive pairing. Notwithstanding that Koscielny hit a good peak level for Arsenal, and De Ligt is one of the most promising defensive talents around, I'm not sure either are a good fit for getting to grips with Dzeko's presence and forceful forward play. His experience could bully the youth of Indync's defensive axis with two 19-year-olds in the one area of the team that requires nous and grizzled experience.
Kocielny has been a standout defender in the premier league for a while. With both Hamsik and Lavezzi cutting in more often, i feel the 3 man defense is pretty well suited to your threats
 
Indnyc said:
I think the Polish team is far worse than the service that Lewandowski will get here. I don't view Coentrao as a great defensive left back. He's going to struggle with Valencia and Reus
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Maybe not now, but peak Coentrao was a proper all-round full-back who defended well, particularly in the big matches. Mourinho made a habit of dropping Marcelo for Coentrao in the big Champions League games (whereas Marcelo often featured more frequently when they had 75% of the ball against La Liga makeweights). And while Valencia hit a fine peak around 2010, Coentrao was solid and reliable against significantly greater wingers like Robben on a number of occasions throughout that period.

 
Gio said:
Maybe not now, but peak Coentrao was a proper all-round full-back who defended well, particularly in the big matches. Mourinho made a habit of dropping Marcelo for Coentrao in the big Champions League games (whereas Marcelo often featured more frequently when they had 75% of the ball against La Liga makeweights). And while Valencia hit a fine peak around 2010, Coentrao was solid and reliable against significantly greater wingers like Robben on a number of occasions throughout that period.

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Peak Valencia is a different threat to compared to Robben though.. I like the match up for Valencia to stretch the play allowing Reus to have some more freedom in the middle.
 
Love all the match up tit for tat :lol:
 
Gio said:
Only 1 of the 7 where Dzeko played the 90. Minutes-wise it works out about 2.5 games when he was at City.

Anyway, Dzeko is a different beast these days at Roma. Capable of doing this to Chelsea and Azpilicueta:

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Lewandowski against the PSG team including Marquinhos
 
Indnyc said:
:lol: We don't have much to argue really. Can't criticize his team much and i like my team as well
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Yeah I've not noticed much myself, small critiques like Reus playing on the right when he excelled coming from the left onto his stronger foot. And a possible lack of creativity with Banega and NZonzi in the middle and Coutinho not being great creatively.
 
P-Nut0712 said:
Yeah I've not noticed much myself, small critiques like Reus playing on the right when he excelled coming from the left onto his stronger foot. And a possible lack of creativity with Banega and NZonzi in the middle and Coutinho not being great creatively.
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I actually wanted to highlight Banega a bit more. The guy has slowly become one of the best CM's around. He's been a massive influence on the prominence of Sevilla

Here is his performance against Athletico earlier this year

 
I like the 343 pressing tactic a lot. I think that can choke down the 4231's preferred passing lanes here and nullify the midfield control.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
I like the 343 pressing tactic a lot. I think that can choke down the 4231's preferred passing lanes here and nullify the midfield control.
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Thanks. Here is a nice video of the Sevilla press with Nzonzi and Banega in the midfield against Real Madrid. Not the same formation but it gives a good idea of we expect to play

 
oneniltothearsenal said:
I like the 343 pressing tactic a lot. I think that can choke down the 4231's preferred passing lanes here and nullify the midfield control.
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I'm seeing quite a lot of space in behind Banega and NZonzi though. They can press and step onto our midfield, but I believe that creates space for De Bruyne and Hamsik in the pockets in front of the defence. And they're pretty devastating in those areas.
 
Gio said:
I'm seeing quite a lot of space in behind Banega and NZonzi though. They can press and step onto our midfield, but I believe that creates space for De Bruyne and Hamsik in the pockets in front of the defence. And they're pretty devastating in those areas.
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The tactic is to collectively press so the defense especially De Ligt will press as well trying to limit the space De Bruyne
 
Can't see Kevin De Bruyne getting stopped by this midfield duo. He's got previous of deciding games against Sevilla, scoring this last-minute winner in the Champions League in 2015 against an NZonzi anchored midfield.



And if you're pressing up, rather than staying compact, you are going to leave gaps for this sort of defence-splitting service:

 
Hmm I like Indnyc's team and bold approach, but ultimately I believe we have a fairly compelling quality advantage in key areas:
  • Better goalkeeper by far. Neuer is arguably the only player in the pool who is clearly one of the greatest of all time in his position. Donarumma is a fine talent, but he's only 19. Their achievements and pedigree are miles apart.
  • Top two central defenders on the park. Koulibaly is the top centre-half by some distance.
  • Top two midfielders. De Bruyne and Vidal should dominate this game. Not just in terms of a head-to-head, but tactically as a three versus a two in there.
 
Gio said:
Better goalkeeper by far. Neuer is arguably the only player in the pool who is clearly one of the greatest of all time in his position. Donarumma is a fine talent, but he's only 19. Their achievements and pedigree are miles apart.
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I doubt that Donarumma will be the first name that will come to people’s minds if we were to choose someone to challenge Neuer for the first spot
 
Gio said:
Hmm I like Indnyc's team and bold approach, but ultimately I believe we have a fairly compelling quality advantage in key areas:
  • Better goalkeeper by far. Neuer is arguably the only player in the pool who is clearly one of the greatest of all time in his position. Donarumma is a fine talent, but he's only 19. Their achievements and pedigree are miles apart.
  • Top two central defenders on the park. Koulibaly is the top centre-half by some distance.
  • Top two midfielders. De Bruyne and Vidal should dominate this game. Not just in terms of a head-to-head, but tactically as a three versus a two in there.
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Definitely significantly better goalkeeper.

I would pick Koscielny over Marquinhos. Think at his peak he was the best defender in the league.

I wouldn’t call it 3 vs 2.. Especially in the system I would expect both Coutinho and Reus to press and make numbers in the midfield.

De Bruyne is the standout player in the midfield but Reus and Coutinho are pretty much top tier as well.

I would definitely pick Lewandowski over Dzeko here in terms of strikers and do prefer my wing backs to your full backs.
 
Indnyc said:
Definitely significantly better goalkeeper.

I would pick Koscielny over Marquinhos. Think at his peak he was the best defender in the league.

I wouldn’t call it 3 vs 2.. Especially in the system I would expect both Coutinho and Reus to press and make numbers in the midfield.

De Bruyne is the standout player in the midfield but Reus and Coutinho are pretty much top tier as well.

I would definitely pick Lewandowski over Dzeko here in terms of strikers and do prefer my wing backs to your full backs.
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Dunno if he was ever that good. Wouldn't have been far off to be fair when Kompany went off the boil and before the new wave got established. That said, during his Arsenal career he never managed to get into the PFA Team of the Year as one of the top two CBs, even though the likes of Coloccini, Cahill, Morgan, Luiz and Otamendi did.
 
Gio said:
Dunno if he was ever that good. Wouldn't have been far off to be fair when Kompany went off the boil and before the new wave got established. That said, during his Arsenal career he never managed to get into the PFA Team of the Year as one of the top two CBs, even though the likes of Coloccini, Cahill, Morgan, Luiz and Otamendi did.
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Yeah it's a bit weird that he never got selected to the PFA team of the year even though he more or less kept the Arsenal defense together even when he didn't have a consistent partner.

Also had a good Euro 2016 in France's run to the final. Maybe i am overrating him a bit but i think of him on a similar level to Kompany.

Perhaps @oneniltothearsenal could give his thoughts as he would have watched him more regularly
 
In the same channel he's operating here, Hamsik scoring against Banega's Inter:



Or cutting onto his right and unleashing hell fire:



Or one-two-ing it with a De Bruyne esque passer on the edge of the box to rip open that great Juve defence (a lot better than what he's facing here):

 
Want to highlight a couple of videos on the linkage between Reus and Lewandowski. This is the Champions League semi final with Lena scoring all 4 goals

 
Worth highlighting Vidal here. The guy has been a box-to-box colossus for a decade and has proved himself in different systems, leagues and for club and country. Serial winner with 7 league titles in a row. Individually recognised with a long list of team of the year and player of the year accolades since 2010. No 'I don't play for a great country' pish from him, just smashing it at major tournaments - winning back-to-back Copa Americas in 2015 and 2016 (getting the better of Banega's Argentina), team of the tournament awards in both. Frankly he's in a different class to anything he's up against here. He would murder Banega off the ball and I don't think N'Zonzi or anyone in that back line (last time he faced Koscielny he scored twice in a 5-1 pumping at the Emirates) is good enough to stop him either.
 
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