Modern Draft QF: Don Alfredo Vs. Big Dunk

Who will win this match


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Don Alfredo ————————————— Vs.————————————— Big Dunk

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Team Don Alfredo

My philosophy is to play attacking football, based on the breathtaking quality of my front 4. I added Kevin De Bruyne to my side, the perfect number 10 to compliment Neymar, Cavani and Nani. I specifically wanted him because he is not a ball-hogger, he knows when to release the ball and he likes to feed others with his great passes, vision and crosses. Additionally, he is a big threat from distance, having one of the best shots in the world from outside the box. His work rate is unparalleled among number 10s, which became exemplary at City and Belgium. He played with just one “proper” midfielder behind him on several occasions and still excelled at key moments in attacking situations.

He has more support from behind this time, with Pjanic taking over the playmaking from deep and giving De Bruyne the license to be the talismanic number 10 he is so great at.

Pjanic-Witsel is the right combination of passing, work-rate, physicality and press resistance to give my attackers the platform to shine. Maybe some people just watched Witsel playing as a defensive midfielder at the World Cup, but he is also showing his class at Dortmund. He plays next to 5 teenagers at Dortmund and has to be a calming presence, both on and off the ball, which he does marvellously. Last season, Dortmund struggled big time because of their weak midfield, but Witsel transformed it and now they are sitting at the top of Bundesliga.

My side is backed by a rock-solid defence, starting at the back with The Best keeper of the year, Thibaut Courtois. Filipe Luis is the best defensive full back in the pool and Cahill is a no-nonsense defender with one of the greatest club careers in English football. 1 Champions League, 1 Europa League, 2 Premier League Titles, 2 FA Cups and 3 PFA Team of the Year nominations show his worth as an excellent stopper. Defensive stalwart Jerome Boateng comes in, at his peak from 2013-2015 he was pure world-class. In that period, he won the World Cup, the Champions League and many other national and international trophies. He is a great fit for Cahill because he is very fast, great on the ball, very talented in anticipating passes and a vocal leader. Florenzi compliments my back 5 with relentless work-rate, stamina and quality on the ball to bring the ball out of defence.

Why I will win

Dem 5 star skills blud

Team Big Dunk

A fluid and attacking 4-3-3 formation.

We will encourage our complete fullbacks to attack and combine with our talented wingforwards. Our wingforwards, Pedro and Insigne, can cut in, drive both down and inside their flank. They are both quick and agile, deadly in both possession and fast attacking transitions. Kane can drop in and/or play the focal target man role, creating space for his wingforwards. Kane is not only a prolific goalscorer, but an all-round footballer who will relish the link up play with Mata and Insigne. Our offense has plenty of flair with Juan Mata the creative centre point in midfield. Our attack has pace, power, intelligent movement, creativity and a deadly cutting edge.

Our balanced midfield trio comprises of Marchisio, a skilled two-way midfielder, who will provide the link between defence and offence alongside Nainggolan by intercepting balls and disrupting the opposition's play, while also looking to orchestrate attacking moves with their passing after winning back possession. Nainggolan has a box to box role - a complete midfielder whose tenacity, strength and technical abilities will solidify our defensive and attacking phases. Mata is my playmaking attacking midfielder, whose ball control, vision and passing will bring out the best of Kane, Insigne and Pedro. Nainggolan and Marchisio can cover each other’s and our fullback’s attacking movements, dictate the play centrally and provide the utmost protection in front of our back four. They also allow Mata to concentrate on his creative/attacking plays in the last third. The defensive and attacking workrate of my midfield and attack is very impressive. My midfield has strength, goals, tenacity, creativity, defensive balance and tactical intelligence.

A solid back four is built upon two defensive legends - centrebacks Ramos and Godin. Their leadership, intelligent positioning, expert marking, concentration and big game influence is highly significant in this match. On the flanks we have two of the best modern fullbacks to have played for their respective club and country: Marcelo and Piszczek. Marcelo, Ramos and Godin are even regarded as all-time legends within their position. The ever consistent Lopes is in goal, where we will rely on his worldclass reflexes and ball handling. Very clever and experienced defenders who will provide the best platform for my attackers to win the game. We possess the best defensive players to combat the creative/attacking talents of our opponent.
 
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Very nice attacking formation by @BIG DUNK , did not expect him to be this adventerous. Can certainly see some goals on both sides of the pitch. He has two very good CBs, but very little protection for them. 2 attacking fullbacks, no holding midfielder and a goalkeeper who is good but not world class.

I feel I can take advantage on the flanks while Cavani is occupying the central channel, preventing the CBs from supporting out wide. You can't leave him unwatched or else he will punish you with his great movement. I also have effective passers in midfield to bring my attackers into play whenever there is any gap in Big Dunk's backline.

I know both Marchisio and Nainggolan have great work rate, but didn't they mostly shine in more attacking roles? Nainggolan certainly striked me as more of an attacking CM/CAM with drive to goal instead of someone who would protect his back four whenever I watched Roma.

I mean it would make sense in a diamond formation for those two wide midfielders to cover for the fullbacks and a holding midfielder watches the opposing number 10, but here I have fecking Kevin de Bruyne to fire one of his bullets from the edge of the box.
 
NAINGGOLAN --- MARCHISIO

----RAMOS--------- GODIN


This defensive square (4 historical modern giants), with Marcelo and Piszczek offering width is rock solid, far more defensively resolute and balanced then:


--- PJANIC --- ----- WITZEL

----CAHILL--------- BOATENG



Nainggolan and Marchisio are complete midfielders. I would only need a defensive anchorman DM if I had two light-weight CM/CAM's. Nainggolan and Marchisio have the technical and tactical intelligence to know when to hold, when to cover, how to control and when to press (they know when to sacrifice to offer balance and defensive solidarity - I can not say the same about your midfielders protecting Cahill/Boateng or trying to contain our attacking mids/wingforwards.

The triangles of Marcelo-Ramos-Nainggolan and Piszczek-Godin-Marchisio are elite too as attacking, passing and defensive units.
 
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I see the reason behind playing Godin next to Marcelo (your best defender next to an overly adventurous fullback), but it seems odd to break their partnership with Ramos, who have been playing on the left side next to him for years now. Don Alfredo's attack is on another level, really (Pedro and Insigne are nice players but they have nothing on Neymar or even peak Nani), and I think that this will give DA an edge (despite BIG DUNK's defensive unit looking great and close to perfect in this particular pool).
 
NAINGGOLAN --- MARCHISIO

----RAMOS--------- GODIN


This defensive square (4 historical modern giants), with Marcelo and Piszczek offering width is rock solid, far more defensively resolute and balanced then:


--- PJANIC --- ----- WITZEL

----CAHILL--------- BOATENG



Nainggolan and Marchisio are complete midfielders. I would only need a defensive anchorman DM if I had two light-weight CM/CAM's. Nainggolan and Marchisio have the technical and tactical intelligence to know when to hold, when to cover, how to control and when to press (they know when to sacrifice to offer balance and defensive solidarity - I can not say the same about your midfielders protecting Cahill/Boateng or trying to contain our attacking mids/wingforwards.

The triangles of Marcelo-Ramos-Nainggolan and Piszczek-Godin-Marchisio are elite too as attacking, passing and defensive units.

Your back 6 is great on the ball, absolutely. However, none of your midfielders or fullbacks can be considered "elite" in terms of defending and I can put much pressure on them with the individual quality of my attackers.

Nainggolan had his best individual season as a number 10. Maybe he can be seen as a Vidal light and Marchisio-Vidal-Pirlo worked on many occasions, but they always had 3 great CBs behind them in Chiellini, Bonucci, Barzagli so they didn't have to protect the back 4 that much. Plus a legendary goalkeeper of course who could bail them out when he needed to. I don't see that kind of defensive quality in your side, especially considering you have ordered both of your fullbacks to be attacking. This will mean that you will have 4 players for defending against counters, which is really not that much.

My defence has Witsel as a clear designated holding midfielder, who is proven at the world cup against better players than Mata like Neymar, Coutinho...

Pjanic excelled playing in a midfield 2 next to Khedira, who is physical but never a great holding mid. He also had a worse backline behind him compared to Marchsio with older players, Benatia in the side etc.

Plus I have Boateng, which peak has been very very high, certainly not worse than the defensive quality of Ramos. Of course Ramos is the better player based on his career, his mentality, his many winning goals etc.
 
I disagree: I have a superior elite defending centreback partnership, and possess a midfield and attack with a more effective defensive work rate that yours.

I think I have the tools to slow you down and the talents to exploit your weaknesses:

Who will be covering/protecting your fullbacks? Will your fullbacks be offering anything offensively with both Neymar/Nani wanting to move infield?
My team has a better balance of tireless workers/facilitators vs ball dominant wingers. Balance wins games. Who of your midfielders/attackers will be offering any support, running, pressing, covering for your team/defence?
Boateng-Cahill-Witzel-Florenzi is not the most disciplined unit positionally. Spaces will be exploited by Insigne and Pedro who will run at your defence on the back foot (when your defenders are at their most vulnerable). Your high line will be punished.
Kane will be a more clinical finisher in his matchup than Cavani.
 
Everyone is really upping their formation game! I like it

Leaning towards Big Dunk as I like that midfield much better - not a fan of Witsel at all.
 
I disagree: I have a superior elite defending centreback partnership, and possess a midfield and attack with a more effective defensive work rate that yours.

I think I have the tools to slow you down and the talents to exploit your weaknesses:

Who will be covering/protecting your fullbacks? Will your fullbacks be offering anything offensively with both Neymar/Nani wanting to move infield?
My team has a better balance of tireless workers/facilitators vs ball dominant wingers. Balance wins games. Who of your midfielders/attackers will be offering any support, running, pressing, covering for your team/defence?
Boateng-Cahill-Witzel-Florenzi is not the most disciplined unit positionally. Spaces will be exploited by Insigne and Pedro who will run at your defence on the back foot (when your defenders are at their most vulnerable). Your high line will be punished.
Kane will be a more clinical finisher in his matchup than Cavani.

Both Neymar and Nani are two footed and very good at going down the line and cutting inside. I don't need uber-attacking fullbacks to make them work, in fact I specifically opted for Filipe Luis behind Neymar to cover for his weaker defensive game. I never liked the Alba-Neymar combination at Barca and it is no coincidence that Alba was much better once Neymar left the club. Florenzi plays a moderate supporting cast to Nani, but never uber-attacking like you have your fullbacks bombing forward. His stamina is very good and he can cover a lot of ground. Florenzi is good for my defence because he has quality on the ball and gives me more options to build up from the back.

I see no problem in terms of work rate in my midfield, De Bruyne is extremely hard working and has much better defensive work rate than Mata. Mata's lack of work rate was one reason why Mou binned him at Chelsea and if you are using that version, you also get his lack of work rate.

In fact I already said that my side is an attacking side, not that bothered with parking the bus at the back. However, I think I got a great balance in my attack in terms of faciliators vs ball dominant wingers. De Bruyne and Cavani are two players with selfless movement, while Nani is not a dominating goalscorer which gives Neymar and Cavani plenty of chances to shine in that category. 2 elite assisters and 2 elite goalscorers is a great combination, while we can't disregard that Neymar is also great at assisting, Nani and De Bruyne have cracking shots etc.

I don't know where you are coming from with the "high line", I never said I have one of those and my team sheet doesn't give that indication:)

@oneniltothearsenal Why do you not like Witsel? Did you watch him at Dortmund this season?
 
Both Neymar and Nani are two footed and very good at going down the line and cutting inside. I don't need uber-attacking fullbacks to make them work, in fact I specifically opted for Filipe Luis behind Neymar to cover for his weaker defensive game. I never liked the Alba-Neymar combination at Barca and it is no coincidence that Alba was much better once Neymar left the club. Florenzi plays a moderate supporting cast to Nani, but never uber-attacking like you have your fullbacks bombing forward. His stamina is very good and he can cover a lot of ground. Florenzi is good for my defence because he has quality on the ball and gives me more options to build up from the back.

I see no problem in terms of work rate in my midfield, De Bruyne is extremely hard working and has much better defensive work rate than Mata. Mata's lack of work rate was one reason why Mou binned him at Chelsea and if you are using that version, you also get his lack of work rate.

In fact I already said that my side is an attacking side, not that bothered with parking the bus at the back. However, I think I got a great balance in my attack in terms of faciliators vs ball dominant wingers. De Bruyne and Cavani are two players with selfless movement, while Nani is not a dominating goalscorer which gives Neymar and Cavani plenty of chances to shine in that category. 2 elite assisters and 2 elite goalscorers is a great combination, while we can't disregard that Neymar is also great at assisting, Nani and De Bruyne have cracking shots etc.

I don't know where you are coming from with the "high line", I never said I have one of those and my team sheet doesn't give that indication:)

@oneniltothearsenal Why do you not like Witsel? Did you watch him at Dortmund this season?

I haven't. I should have added the disclaimer that typically for me the year after a World Cup I tend to have club football burnout and I can't get into club matches as much. Happens every year after a World Cup for me.

Most of my impression is just from random NT and European matches over the last few years where I just never have been impressed with Witsel. Haven't watched him in league though. And not the best sample selection admittedly so if you have a current match video I'd definitely watch it.
 
I haven't. I should have added the disclaimer that typically for me the year after a World Cup I tend to have club football burnout and I can't get into club matches as much. Happens every year after a World Cup for me.

Most of my impression is just from random NT and European matches over the last few years where I just never have been impressed with Witsel. Haven't watched him in league though. And not the best sample selection admittedly so if you have a current match video I'd definitely watch it.

I'm afraid no one has uploaded one of those yet. There is this video showing some scenes, although I hate the editing


In the video you can see he scored 2 goals for Dortmund and both have been in comeback wins. Dortmund have quite a few of those this season and Witsel has been praised for his mentality and the balance he brings to Dortmund as part of the reason for those comebacks.

DFB-Pokal vs Furth: after 74 minutes 0-1 down, Witsel comes on and scores the equalizer in stoppage time
vs Leipzig: 0-1 down, Witsel scores the decisive 3-1, Dortmund win 4-1
vs Frankfurt: 1-1 after 69 minutes, Witsel comes on and they win 3-1
vs Leverkusen: 0-2 down at half time, Dortmund win 4-2
vs Augsburg: 0-1 down, 1-2 down, 3-3 after 87 minutes and Dortmund win 4-3

Now you may say conceding 3 goals from Augsburg is a bad thing in itself, but the truth is he has to play alongside some very inexperienced teenagers. The other 5 players in the back 6 are 23, 22, 19, 23 and 19 years old.

I was at the game vs Augsburg and Witsel was really the only one showing some kind of resistance to a very good Augsburg side (their best player Finnbogason scored against Argentina at the World Cup, 12 goals in 22 games last season and is on 4 goals in 2 games this season - one of the best strikers in the league). He had to hold the midfield together and organise a comeback, which he did with passes like these



I admit that the sample size is very small, but since this is the first time we can see Witsel in a big league, I think those performances hold a big weight to observe his actual level. We know from his time at Benfica, Zenit and the World Cup that he is a good player, we just never knew how good he was because people watched him like 2 games a year at max. Bundesliga fans are now convinced that Witsel is a very good midfielder:D
 
Cheers Don, that's some good info and a fair point about his game rising in the best league he's been in .
 
@Don Alfredo that Witsel pick is looking inspired now :D. Superb second half from him today. What an amazing match.

Great to see him appreciated, was genuinely surprised why he went very late and you had guys like Luiz Gustavo being picked up very early.

I couldn‘t watch the match since I had a workshop all day, but it is nice to see that others share my opinion on him now.
 
Great to see him appreciated, was genuinely surprised why he went very late and you had guys like Luiz Gustavo being picked up very early.

I couldn‘t watch the match since I had a workshop all day, but it is nice to see that others share my opinion on him now.

Gustavo is comfortably a better player at this point, maybe things change in the future but so far its not even a contest.
Reus on the other hand :drool::(
 
Gustavo is comfortably a better player at this point, maybe things change in the future but so far its not even a contest.
Reus on the other hand :drool::(

You really think that highly of Gustavo just based on his Ligue 1 and Europa League performances? His Bundesliga performances were good, but nothing special in a greater context and he has zero national team success. He even went 2 rounds before Javi Martinez, who is clearly the better player because he was the reason that Gustavo got shipped out at Bayern.
 
You really think that highly of Gustavo just based on his Ligue 1 and Europa League performances? His Bundesliga performances were good, but nothing special in a greater context and he has zero national team success. He even went 2 rounds before Javi Martinez, who is clearly the better player because he was the reason that Gustavo got shipped out at Bayern.
He was brilliant for Bayern in the 11-12 CL run up till the final which he missed due to suspension and was probably the biggest reason Bayern lost that match against an inferior Chelsea team. He provided incredible balance and as an out and out defensive midfielder, he was excellent in that setup. For a role like that, he would be rated very highly based on his peak. And ahead of Witsel as well if you consider their careers till date.
 
You really think that highly of Gustavo just based on his Ligue 1 and Europa League performances? His Bundesliga performances were good, but nothing special in a greater context and he has zero national team success. He even went 2 rounds before Javi Martinez, who is clearly the better player because he was the reason that Gustavo got shipped out at Bayern.

The reason he went before Javi is because his peak in midfield just isnt long enough.
 
Witsel wasted a lot of his prime years in a shitty league as well.

And tbh this world cup was the first time Witsel really did well at International level. Otherwise he was more or less a solid player who could do a bit of everything.
 
He was brilliant for Bayern in the 11-12 CL run up till the final which he missed due to suspension and was probably the biggest reason Bayern lost that match against an inferior Chelsea team. He provided incredible balance and as an out and out defensive midfielder, he was excellent in that setup. For a role like that, he would be rated very highly based on his peak. And ahead of Witsel as well if you consider their careers till date.

I understand he is a good fit for a defensive side like Sjor / Beam had, but never in an attacking system. He is very weak on the ball, and even if Martinez is also weak in that area, atleast he offers (or he did offer) a decent sense of press resistance. Gustavo could have never been a part of a double pivot who destroyed the Barcelona midfield like Schweinsteiger-Martinez did. Maybe this comes from the fact that no one in Germany speaks highly of the 2012 Bayern, only ever about the treble Bayern and arguably the biggest change was the upgrade from Gustavo to Martinez. He still played a part as a squad player that season, but Guardiola got rid of him quickly, despite of Pep having no qualms about putting bench players as starters or starters on the bench.

You also have to look at Bayern with Gustavo in Bundesliga, where they got destroyed by the ultra aggressive pressing of Dortmund like thrice a season with Gustavo as a starter.

I nearly forgot about his international career, he was a starter for Brazil in 2014 in every match except for the one against Colombia. He was part of the complete disaster in the semis, you simply can't gloss over that:nervous:
 
The reason he went before Javi is because his peak in midfield just isnt long enough.

Witsel wasted a lot of his prime years in a shitty league as well.

And tbh this World Cup was the first time Witsel really did well at International level. Otherwise he was more or less a solid player who could do a bit of everything.

Good points that.
 
Quite pleased to see Witsel doing well at Dortmund, though it also adds into my frustration at so few Russian players moving abroad for so long, his predecessors at Zenit for instance, Shirokov and Zyrianov were both more gifted players.
 
Quite pleased to see Witsel doing well at Dortmund, though it also adds into my frustration at so few Russian players moving abroad for so long, his predecessors at Zenit for instance, Shirokov and Zyrianov were both more gifted players.

Dzagoev(I think that was his name) had a lot of potential who I think wasted his developing years in russia or ukraine as well.
 
Quite pleased to see Witsel doing well at Dortmund, though it also adds into my frustration at so few Russian players moving abroad for so long, his predecessors at Zenit for instance, Shirokov and Zyrianov were both more gifted players.

He was fantastic :drool: