Mo Salah

I just checked Egypt NT squads (to find out how many Ahmeds and Muhammeds).
Surprised there is a player names Trezeguet.

Edit: feck Transfermarkt, *not his real name.

Not his real name yeah, but it's famous nickname and we are calling him with that since his emergence on the scene in Egypt. he's playing in Turkey and a player that I hope find his chance in a good European league that next few years.
 
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Do you think Roma carried out a well thought through defensive plan on Salah, and he was simply too good for that plan...?

Because it seemed pretty clear to me that Salah (and Liverpool) simply exploited an incredibly defensive turn up from Roma.

He's a great player, who I'm sure you're glad to have at your club, but Roma didn't defend to even an 'ok' level. They were utterly awful.

You have got to be shitting me.
 
The worrying thing is that not only has he been improving over the season and but recently his progress is going parabolic.

Scored 4 + 1 assist against Watford
Now 2 goals +2 assists against Roma
He's moving on from a goal a game to looking for braces and hat-tricks.

Why is this?

I can only think that he is a confidence player and only now is beginning to express himself as he now truly sees his potential.
Saw him do a pirouette and dragback and step over the other night to go past 3 players. :eek:

This is a big worry if he decides to stay as a big fish in a small pond in Liverpool.

Real Madrid. Please do something.
 
Jose Mourinho on Mo Salah at Chelsea

"It is the first time that I am going to say this, but it is another injustice that has been talked about me. People say that I was the one that sold Salah and it is the opposite. I bought Salah. I was the one that told Chelsea to buy Salah. It was with me in charge that Salah came to Chelsea. But he came as a young kid, physically he was not ready, mentally he was not ready, socially and culturally he was lost and everything was tough for him.
We decided to put him on loan and he asked for that as well. He wanted to play more minutes, to mature, he wanted to go and we sent him on loan to Fiorentina, and at Fiorentina he started to mature.
Chelsea decided to sell him, OK? And when they say that I was the one that sold him it is a lie. I bought him. I agreed to send him on loan, I thought it was necessary, I thought that Chelsea had wingers. Some of them are still there like Willian, Eden Hazard and all those players already in a different level.”

- express.co.uk
 
He improved his numbers because he had more chances. Of course he improved as a player. That would have happened regardless, it comes with age. He's always had serious talent(his first couple months at fiorentina were pretty much on par with what he's doing now at liverpool) and a great work ethic

So I don't get your point then. I said he improved his scoring instinct at Italy, you said he didn't when he clearly scored more in Italy. I don't have the chances stats at England when he was with Chelsea neither do i have for his time at Italy. If i did, a comparison would have helped. But I certainly recall him missing chance after chance when he was at Chelsea. It was like he couldn't score for his life. My observation was that even though he was still missing chances in Italy, his scoring stats improved significantly.
 
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Jose Mourinho on Mo Salah at Chelsea

"It is the first time that I am going to say this, but it is another injustice that has been talked about me. People say that I was the one that sold Salah and it is the opposite. I bought Salah. I was the one that told Chelsea to buy Salah. It was with me in charge that Salah came to Chelsea. But he came as a young kid, physically he was not ready, mentally he was not ready, socially and culturally he was lost and everything was tough for him.
We decided to put him on loan and he asked for that as well. He wanted to play more minutes, to mature, he wanted to go and we sent him on loan to Fiorentina, and at Fiorentina he started to mature.
Chelsea decided to sell him, OK? And when they say that I was the one that sold him it is a lie. I bought him. I agreed to send him on loan, I thought it was necessary, I thought that Chelsea had wingers. Some of them are still there like Willian, Eden Hazard and all those players already in a different level.”

- express.co.uk
Well there you go. Won't stop his detractors from using it against him though.
 
Jose Mourinho on Mo Salah at Chelsea

"It is the first time that I am going to say this, but it is another injustice that has been talked about me. People say that I was the one that sold Salah and it is the opposite. I bought Salah. I was the one that told Chelsea to buy Salah. It was with me in charge that Salah came to Chelsea. But he came as a young kid, physically he was not ready, mentally he was not ready, socially and culturally he was lost and everything was tough for him.
We decided to put him on loan and he asked for that as well. He wanted to play more minutes, to mature, he wanted to go and we sent him on loan to Fiorentina, and at Fiorentina he started to mature.
Chelsea decided to sell him, OK? And when they say that I was the one that sold him it is a lie. I bought him. I agreed to send him on loan, I thought it was necessary, I thought that Chelsea had wingers. Some of them are still there like Willian, Eden Hazard and all those players already in a different level.”

- express.co.uk

Additional comments in this article ....

http://www.espn.com/soccer/chelsea/...or-selling-mohamed-salah-in-2016-i-bought-him
 
Is it really concieveable that only 4 teams have done their homework on Salah, and the other teams only find out about Salah on matchday?
Agreed. Citing the teams he didn't score against as a stick to beat sides he's recently scored against is ridiculous. Salah is not going to score every match ffs. Look at matches this season that Messi & Ronaldo have filed to score in against "lesser" La Liga sides. Does that mean those teams have sussed those 2 players out??!!! Narrative driven BS.
 
Mourinho is spot on. I think if he does the same with Martial, i.e. loan him out to Roma or something, then you will see a world class player return to the PL (to Man City). :cool:
 
Jose Mourinho on Mo Salah at Chelsea

"It is the first time that I am going to say this, but it is another injustice that has been talked about me. People say that I was the one that sold Salah and it is the opposite. I bought Salah. I was the one that told Chelsea to buy Salah. It was with me in charge that Salah came to Chelsea. But he came as a young kid, physically he was not ready, mentally he was not ready, socially and culturally he was lost and everything was tough for him.
We decided to put him on loan and he asked for that as well. He wanted to play more minutes, to mature, he wanted to go and we sent him on loan to Fiorentina, and at Fiorentina he started to mature.
Chelsea decided to sell him, OK? And when they say that I was the one that sold him it is a lie. I bought him. I agreed to send him on loan, I thought it was necessary, I thought that Chelsea had wingers. Some of them are still there like Willian, Eden Hazard and all those players already in a different level.”

- express.co.uk
Lol - as narcissitic as Jose is, no-one thought he would ever try to take the credit for Salah! Genius!!
 
“He is a fantastic player, and I am really happy for everything that is happening for him and especially because he scores against everyone and he didn't score against us in two games."

:lol:
 
I wonder what his conversation rate is before the start of 2018 and after. Earlier in the season he was still missing huge chances here and there but now it seems like everything he touches turns into gold.
 
So I don't get your point then. I said he improved his scoring instinct at Italy, you said he didn't when he clearly scored more in Italy. I don't have the chances stats at England when he was with Chelsea neither do i have for his time at Italy. If i did, a comparison would have helped. But I certainly recall him missing chance after chance when he was at Chelsea. It was like he couldn't score for his life. My observation was that even though he was still missing chances in Italy, his scoring stats improved significantly.
He played 608 total minutes for chelsea. That's the only stat you need. He improved his attacking instincts, his movement off the ball, but his decision making in the final ball and finishing were still a big issue. He barely improved those in Italy. Actually looking at his performances from the start of his loan at Fiorentina, they got worse. First couple months at fiorentina he was unbelieveable, then he fell back to earth and it was because his finishing and quality in and around the box got worse.

Again, roma fans used to say "if he could finish, he'd be Messi"


Btw: Salah was sent on loan with option to buy(basically a sale) to Roma in 2015. Mourinho was still Chelsea's manager at the time. It may be that the club went over his head. But they signed a very similar player in Pedro for a lot, and Salah was coming off a blazing 6 months at Fiorentina. Find it hard to believe that Mourinho wasn't at least complicit in his sale. Now why he was let go is another story. Perhaps chelsea really didn't think he was capable of adapting, though in hindsight that'd be even more stupid
 
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Quite possibly the best player in the world right now, on form. He's had a better season than Ronaldo easily, and if Liverpool win the CL(I hope they don't), he should win the Ballon D'or.
 
Both leave a player injured. Hence you saying you hope he pulls a hamstring is wishing injury on a player, no matter how you dress it up and its pretty classless.

One can end a career, one means missing a few games. Trying to claim the two are remotely comparable is silly to say the least. Would it be permissible if I said I hope he gets a red in the return fixture and misses the final that way? :rolleyes:
 
One can end a career, one means missing a few games. Trying to claim the two are remotely comparable is silly to say the least. Would it be permissible if I said I hope he gets a red in the return fixture and misses the final that way? :rolleyes:
Yes, because a red card isn't wishing physical illness or an injury to another human being. Try rolling your eyes more, maybe that will help you figure out what I am saying.
 
Lol - as narcissitic as Jose is, no-one thought he would ever try to take the credit for Salah! Genius!!

"What do you mean, has he not just dispelled the notion he had anything to do with Salah leaving, now it shows he always believed in him, Jose knew this would happen" United fans :lol::lol::lol:
 
I wonder what his conversation rate is before the start of 2018 and after. Earlier in the season he was still missing huge chances here and there but now it seems like everything he touches turns into gold.

I think he could talk about 350 words a minute
 
"What do you mean, has he not just dispelled the notion he had anything to do with Salah leaving, now it shows he always believed in him, Jose knew this would happen" United fans :lol::lol::lol:

Jose is responsible for buying great players, and selling poor players.
Club is responsible for buying shitty players, and selling great players.
Jose is responsible for developing great players, the attitude of the players is responsible for not developing into great players under Jose.

:lol:
 
Jose is responsible for buying great players, and selling poor players.
Club is responsible for buying shitty players, and selling great players.
Jose is responsible for developing great players, the attitude of the players is responsible for not developing into great players under Jose.

:lol:

It is hilarious. The irony of it is at one point I was actually a young boy who would've believed all of Jose's talk. But yeah have to laugh at it indeed.

As much as it kills me as a Chelsea fan Salah is at lpool, I cant help but be very happy for how well he's currently doing.
 
City and Roma played in to his and Liverpool's hands.

Let's see what he does against teams who know how to defend and don't go gung ho attack.

Madrid and decent international sides will be a better test than some of the naive cannon fodder faced this season.
 
The worrying thing is that not only has he been improving over the season and but recently his progress is going parabolic.

Scored 4 + 1 assist against Watford
Now 2 goals +2 assists against Roma
He's moving on from a goal a game to looking for braces and hat-tricks.

Why is this?

I can only think that he is a confidence player and only now is beginning to express himself as he now truly sees his potential.
Saw him do a pirouette and dragback and step over the other night to go past 3 players. :eek:

This is a big worry if he decides to stay as a big fish in a small pond in Liverpool.

Real Madrid. Please do something.

I'm not sure Liverpool is that small a pond these days. And Real Madrid and Barcelona aren't that big a pond nowadays either. The gap has been closing, among top teams.
 
“He is a fantastic player, and I am really happy for everything that is happening for him and especially because he scores against everyone and he didn't score against us in two games."

:lol:

That's a brilliant quote!
 
City and Roma played in to his and Liverpool's hands.

Let's see what he does against teams who know how to defend and don't go gung ho attack.

Madrid and decent international sides will be a better test than some of the naive cannon fodder faced this season.
Why do people keep saying this :wenger:

Have you not seen us collapse and give up approximately 2,478 chances against bayern's high press?
 
City and Roma played in to his and Liverpool's hands.

Let's see what he does against teams who know how to defend and don't go gung ho attack.

Madrid and decent international sides will be a better test than some of the naive cannon fodder faced this season.
Roma was supposed to be one of those teams that know how to defend. They just lost their minds trying to go toe to toe with Liverpool at Anfield on a huge European night. Madness.

In a one-off tie, Liverpool would be very, very dangerous. I wouldn't rule out a CL victory. Jurgen getting his revenge on his nemesis club.
 
Roma was supposed to be one of those teams that know how to defend. They just lost their minds trying to go toe to toe with Liverpool at Anfield on a huge European night. Madness.
Not really, Roma tried playing their football
 
Why do people keep saying this

Have you not seen us collapse and give up approximately 2,478 chances against bayern's high press?

Yes not surprising that Bayern had chances at home. You still won the game though.

Utd already showed to how stop Salah at Anfield and beat them at old trafford.

If Zidane has any sense he will watch those games and give JM a call if he has to play them and Salah.

Madrid have the experience. A final at neutral venue is a big change for Liverpool though.

Salah has a couple of Swiss Super league titles and that’s it. Not used to big pressure games on neutral ground.

Real Madrid have the two most experienced winners in European football, Ramos and Ronaldo. They eat trophies for breakfast, and they have a mental edge over any other team.

Last time Liverpool played a European final against Seville look how it turned out. Also their 3rd time in a row IIRC.

Big test for Salah if Liverpool make the final.
 
Jose Mourinho on Mo Salah at Chelsea
"It is the first time that I am going to say this, but it is another injustice that has been talked about me. People say that I was the one that sold Salah and it is the opposite. I bought Salah. I was the one that told Chelsea to buy Salah. It was with me in charge that Salah came to Chelsea. But he came as a young kid, physically he was not ready, mentally he was not ready, socially and culturally he was lost and everything was tough for him.
We decided to put him on loan and he asked for that as well. He wanted to play more minutes, to mature, he wanted to go and we sent him on loan to Fiorentina, and at Fiorentina he started to mature.
Chelsea decided to sell him, OK? And when they say that I was the one that sold him it is a lie. I bought him. I agreed to send him on loan, I thought it was necessary, I thought that Chelsea had wingers. Some of them are still there like Willian, Eden Hazard and all those players already in a different level.”
- express.co.uk

:nono: Well done Jose. Mr. Right. It is always the Club that is in the wrong (past, present and future).

Sometimes people change, situation change, environment change, the world change, we can't forsee the future. Will Salah be this good again in the next season? Nobody knows. It will be harder for him next season that is for sure.

We'll see what happen then. :cool:
 
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Not his real name yeah, but it's famous nickname and we are calling him with than since his emergence on the scene in Egypt. he's playing in Turkey and amplayer that I hope find his chance in a good European league that next few years.
He was electric when I saw him for Egypt some good months ago.
 
Utd already showed to how stop Salah at Anfield and beat them at old trafford.

If Zidane has any sense he will watch those games and give JM a call if he has to play them and Salah.
We are not going to play like that. For one thing we are real madrid, for another we don't have a target man like lukaku or the sheer pace of rashford(unless we play Bale, and we won't), our midfielders aren't made to defend deep and our fullbacks are bad 1vs1 defenders

We will try to play our football. What you guys would call playing into liverpool's hands
 
Yes not surprising that Bayern had chances at home. You still won the game though.

Utd already showed to how stop Salah at Anfield and beat them at old trafford.

If Zidane has any sense he will watch those games and give JM a call if he has to play them and Salah.

Madrid have the experience. A final at neutral venue is a big change for Liverpool though.

Salah has a couple of Swiss Super league titles and that’s it. Not used to big pressure games on neutral ground.

Real Madrid have the two most experienced winners in European football, Ramos and Ronaldo. They eat trophies for breakfast, and they have a mental edge over any other team.

Last time Liverpool played a European final against Seville look how it turned out. Also their 3rd time in a row IIRC.

Big test for Salah if Liverpool make the final.

and the way they keep going on about it you would think that it's the highlight of their season
 
Yes not surprising that Bayern had chances at home. You still won the game though.

Utd already showed to how stop Salah at Anfield and beat them at old trafford.

If Zidane has any sense he will watch those games and give JM a call if he has to play them and Salah.

Madrid have the experience. A final at neutral venue is a big change for Liverpool though.

Salah has a couple of Swiss Super league titles and that’s it. Not used to big pressure games on neutral ground.

Real Madrid have the two most experienced winners in European football, Ramos and Ronaldo. They eat trophies for breakfast, and they have a mental edge over any other team.

Last time Liverpool played a European final against Seville look how it turned out. Also their 3rd time in a row IIRC.

Big test for Salah if Liverpool make the final.

You really think Bayern or Madrid will sit back with 2 banks of 4 against us? They'd be slaughtered by their fans. If Real Madrid play their best vs us we'd find it very hard to stop them.
 
You really think Bayern or Madrid will sit back with 2 banks of 4 against us? They'd be slaughtered by their fans. If Real Madrid play their best vs us we'd find it very hard to stop them.
Pretty much, I don't know why this narrative keeps getting perpetuated. I know neither of our clubs have much knockout stage champions league experience in the last few years but none of the top sides in Europe will consider playing that way. It's an insult to the traditions of those clubs to even suggest it. Sounds ridiculous but on some level surely people see that ?

Real Madrid, Bayern Barca. These clubs boast the world's elite players and have an open expansive way of playing they never deviate from. Why are people suddenly expecting two banks of four and 3 men man marking Salah. They'll have their tactical plans but they'll play the way they always do which has brought them unprecedented success.

This harping on about Ashley young is getting a tad ridiculous.
 
Like i said before he would tear Bayern too shreds. Madrid could put a hold on him. He's a beast.
 
He played 608 total minutes for chelsea. That's the only stat you need. He improved his attacking instincts, his movement off the ball, but his decision making in the final ball and finishing were still a big issue. He barely improved those in Italy. Actually looking at his performances from the start of his loan at Fiorentina, they got worse. First couple months at fiorentina he was unbelieveable, then he fell back to earth and it was because his finishing and quality in and around the box got worse.

Again, roma fans used to say "if he could finish, he'd be Messi"


Btw: Salah was sent on loan with option to buy(basically a sale) to Roma in 2015. Mourinho was still Chelsea's manager at the time. It may be that the club went over his head. But they signed a very similar player in Pedro for a lot, and Salah was coming off a blazing 6 months at Fiorentina. Find it hard to believe that Mourinho wasn't at least complicit in his sale. Now why he was let go is another story. Perhaps chelsea really didn't think he was capable of adapting, though in hindsight that'd be even more stupid

Your post is brilliant and I agree with it largely but I'm still sticking to the stat that clearly shows his scoring improved in Italy over his time in England and Basel.

Played 47 in Basel, scored 9
Played 13 in Chelsea, scored 2
Played 65 in Roma, scored 29

The key word here is 'improved'. It does not negate what you said about him still missing loads of chances in Italy or fans asking him to improve his scoring.
Salah got better at scoring in Italy does not mean Salah became great at scoring in Italy.
 
Mourinho is spot on. I think if he does the same with Martial, i.e. loan him out to Roma or something, then you will see a world class player return to the PL (to Man City). :cool:

Honestly, that would be a very good scenario for a season maybe two. Martial is incredibly young still!