Mo Salah

Kwabs said:
This didn't stop Egypt winning the AFCON multiple times before Salah, in the 21st century. His scoring record in the competition is also not good.
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Amr Zaki baby, his overhead against Liverpool still lives in my head rentfree. What a goal.
 
Egypt usually does well there despite having worse players. they did reach the final with Salah but lost it on penalties. they simply can't play football at all for some reason, which you could say for pretty much all the North African teams. all the knockout games they played in that tournament went to extra time/penalties.

ironically, Egypt won the tournament both times when Eto'o was the top scorer. so if anything, when Eto'o did "show up", Cameroon would win nothing. and yet, when he would score only once, in group stage, Cameroon was so ahead of everyone else that it didn't matter at all.

it's a strange tournament with top teams often utterly mismanaged. Egypt won the tournament 3 times in row and you still wouldn't want a single player from their team.

yet both Cameroon and Ivory Coast were full of players you would want United to sign.
 
I will say that Egyptian club football is strong on an African level. Ah-Ahly, Zamalek, Pyramids. Al-Ahly dominate the Champions League.

Countering my own point about how Salah has a worse supporting cast to at least a tiny degree there. Still, you'd think more would leave there if they were scouted and wanted elsewhere.

A point the other way, is it more difficult to win AFCON since it went to 24 teams?
 
Egypt made the afcon final twice with Salah. The first they lost to the Cameroon of Aboubakar, Salah was great in that tournament

The second they lost on penalties to Senegal, Salah didn't do much in that one though
 
Bole Top said:
Egypt usually does well there despite having worse players. they did reach the final with Salah but lost it on penalties. they simply can't play football at all for some reason, which you could say for pretty much all the North African teams. all the knockout games they played in that tournament went to extra time/penalties.

ironically, Egypt won the tournament both times when Eto'o was the top scorer. so if anything, when Eto'o did "show up", Cameroon would win nothing. and yet, when he would score only once, in group stage, Cameroon was so ahead of everyone else that it didn't matter at all.

it's a strange tournament with top teams often utterly mismanaged. Egypt won the tournament 3 times in row and you still wouldn't want a single player from their team.

yet both Cameroon and Ivory Coast were full of players you would want United to sign.
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False. There is no tournament that Cameroon won where Eto'o scored only.once. You may be thinking of 2002, when he scored twice, but not in the KO stages.

However, in 2000, Eto'o scored 4 goals (one less than the leader) and scored in the quarter-finals,, the semi-finals and the final, as Cameroon went on to win the tournament. So what you said there is also false, he has 'shown-up' in winning efforts as well as losing ones.

The point is that Eto'o is one of the greatest players in AFCON history and Salah is not. And the fact that Egypt do not have a lot of European-based players means nothing in this context, because Egypt are always competitive. He just hasn't played well. And that might not matter to European club fans, but it matters to Africans. And Salah is Egyptian first, before he is anything else. Does anyone seriously think that Liverpool Football Club is more important to Mohamed Salah than his country?
 
Kwabs said:
False. There is no tournament that Cameroon won where Eto'o scored only.once. You may be thinking of 2002, when he scored twice, but not in the KO stages.
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once, according to transfermarkt, wiki and every other source.

you're wrong.
 
Bole Top said:
once, according to transfermarkt, wiki and every other source.

you're wrong.
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You are right on that, it was one goal. I misread it. But I still debunked your overall point - viz - the 2000 tournament.
 
Kwabs said:
You are right on that, it was one goal. I misread it. But I still debunked your overall point - viz - the 2000 tournament.
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there's no "overall point" as the stats are fairly straightforward in this case. as I've said, Egypt has 3 titles in row without Salah and zero with him, those are the simple facts.

Eto'o on the other hand has won two trophies there. how me or you remembered bits of his Int. career and whether he was on one, two or ten goals during the winning/losing tournaments changes nothing.

I also forgot Salah's other final, changes nothing again. he will probably remain on zero trophies with Egypt unless he wins it this time and Eto'o will always have that particular feat over him.
 
Liverpool got very lucky signing someone that offers the end product and consistency that Salah does.
 
DJ_21 said:
Liverpool got very lucky signing someone that offers the end product and consistency that Salah does.
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He’s thrived in an environment in which players have generally flourished due to the manager. Just like Firmino, Mané and others. Not luck.
 
He's at a transcendent level; understanding the game and what's going on around him better than ever. Using his brain more than he ever has, probably because he has to, with the diminishing athleticism. But it shows once again that to be the very best, many steps are in the head and then executed. It's not all about being the best athlete.

Salah's cantering along and mesmerising multiple players whilst still being effective. It's an unfortunate sign of a player who is a ballon contender/winner.
 
Bole Top said:
there's no "overall point" as the stats are fairly straightforward in this case. as I've said, Egypt has 3 titles in row without Salah and zero with him, those are the simple facts.

Eto'o on the other hand has won two trophies there. how me or you remembered bits of his Int. career and whether he was on one, two or ten goals during the winning/losing tournaments changes nothing.

I also forgot Salah's other final, changes nothing again. he will probably remain on zero trophies with Egypt unless he wins it this time and Eto'o will always have that particular feat over him.
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International is a total coin flip though, it's not really comparable.
 
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Bole Top said:
Egypt usually does well there despite having worse players. they did reach the final with Salah but lost it on penalties. they simply can't play football at all for some reason, which you could say for pretty much all the North African teams. all the knockout games they played in that tournament went to extra time/penalties.

ironically, Egypt won the tournament both times when Eto'o was the top scorer. so if anything, when Eto'o did "show up", Cameroon would win nothing. and yet, when he would score only once, in group stage, Cameroon was so ahead of everyone else that it didn't matter at all.

it's a strange tournament with top teams often utterly mismanaged. Egypt won the tournament 3 times in row and you still wouldn't want a single player from their team.

yet both Cameroon and Ivory Coast were full of players you would want United to sign.
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WTF!! Trika, Zidan, Ahmed Hassan..for starters... gotta defend our greatest team!
 
As an Egyptian, let me share my perspective. Since around 2013, we've had one of the weakest national teams in recent memory, particularly with a lackluster midfield. While things might be improving now, I'm not entirely convinced. It's been a tough decade for our team, and unfortunately, Salah has had the misfortune of playing during this period
 
Does he have a no substitution clause? How does he play 90 minutes every single game he starts.
 
RDCR07 said:
Does he have a no substitution clause? How does he play 90 minutes every single game he starts.
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He’s got great fitness. Only been out a handful of times for Liverpool
 
He's not bad I guess.

Probably should have had a hattrick today mind you...
 
RDCR07 said:
Does he have a no substitution clause? How does he play 90 minutes every single game he starts.
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Can't have, he's been subbed off 4 times this year in the Premier League alone.
 
I can't understand how scousers still compare him with Suarez who didn't have anywhere near same consistency. Suarez would score 17 goals against Norwich and be nowhere near productive against other teams, while Salah has been there every week against any team, for years.
 
Avatar said:
As an Egyptian, let me share my perspective. Since around 2013, we've had one of the weakest national teams in recent memory, particularly with a lackluster midfield. While things might be improving now, I'm not entirely convinced. It's been a tough decade for our team, and unfortunately, Salah has had the misfortune of playing during this period
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As an egyptian barcelona supporter do you still see Messi as the best player ever to your own eyes? I know alot of middle eastern people value what Salah has bought to those countries, almost making football grow in popularity to a whole continent by himself.

Messi had a fantastic career, no doubt the best - but Salah seems to have always had the harder test.

Argentina vs Egypt
Barcelona vs Liverpool
La Liga vs PL
Guardiola vs Klopp
Xavi & iniesta vs Macalisster & Szboszlai
PSG stats vs PL stats post 30

I hope no one gets mad me talking about Messi because people protect the guy like their kid in front of a train but i'd like to know how an egyptian barcelona supporter see's Messi & Salah respectively.
 
Amsterdam Devil said:
Do you really think Giggs underachieved because of predictions people had of him when he was a teen? How is that? He achieved everything possible. If someone said he would achieve all this when he was a teen we would not have believed it.
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People who say Giggs and Rooney underachieved really are insufferable.

Probably the types who constant mock Ronaldo with Messi taunts.
 
Amar__ said:
I can't understand how scousers still compare him with Suarez who didn't have anywhere near same consistency. Suarez would score 17 goals against Norwich and be nowhere near productive against other teams, while Salah has been there every week against any team, for years.
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Totally different styles of player and different position.
Imagine having both of them together, would not be fun for anyone else.
 
Amar__ said:
I can't understand how scousers still compare him with Suarez who didn't have anywhere near same consistency. Suarez would score 17 goals against Norwich and be nowhere near productive against other teams, while Salah has been there every week against any team, for years.
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Because Suarez almost single handedly dragged them to a league title. Salah has been utterly superb but also has and has had a far better supporting cast.
 
Amar__ said:
I can't understand how scousers still compare him with Suarez who didn't have anywhere near same consistency. Suarez would score 17 goals against Norwich and be nowhere near productive against other teams, while Salah has been there every week against any team, for years.
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Without wanting to underrate Suárez, which I think you may be doing there, I don't think many Liverpool fans rate Suárez over Salah any more. For the younger fans it's Salah or Gerrard now for best in their lifetime, Suárez isn't at that level.
 
DennisReynolds said:
Without wanting to underrate Suárez, which I think you may be doing there, I don't think many Liverpool fans rate Suárez over Salah any more. For the younger fans it's Salah or Gerrard now for best in their lifetime, Suárez isn't at that level.
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I disagree. I think Suarez was at that level, just in a worse team.
 
DennisReynolds said:
Without wanting to underrate Suárez, which I think you may be doing there, I don't think many Liverpool fans rate Suárez over Salah any more. For the younger fans it's Salah or Gerrard now for best in their lifetime, Suárez isn't at that level.
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I would rate them both over Gerrard by a distance.
 
Shark said:
I disagree. I think Suarez was at that level, just in a worse team.
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Yeah, I didn't word that post that well. I don't mean in terms of ability, more about their Liverpool careers as a whole.
 
SilentWitness said:
Because Suarez almost single handedly dragged them to a league title. Salah has been utterly superb but also has and has had a far better supporting cast.
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Except he didn't really do that single handidly. Daniel Sturridge scored 22 and assistent 7 that season in the league. Given his goals was more spread out than Suarez' he was pretty much as important to that title charge.
 
Even if you think he won't be worth it in the third year, surely 2 more seasons of this is worth the investment.
 
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