I wouldn't, Eric was brilliant, absolute genius. The perfect second striker.
Mo Salah
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Let's compare a young skinny 18 year old boy who played half his PL career in a traditional 4-4-2 to a guy nearing entering his peak playing in a modern 4-3-3. Also let's not forget that young boy played against the likes of Terry, Carvalho, Gallas, King, Carragher etc who were afforded the license to kick the daylights out of him.
If you want to compare them, compare their PL peaks. and there is no contest.
Because we wouldn't have won a single PL title out of those 3 if Ronaldo wasn't playing for us. Compare that to Pool who had Salah all last season and they still looked wank. I would even argue that VVD is the best Liverpool player just for the sheer influence he displays in the way their team is set up.
Some goalpost shifting that. If you really wanna compare players at their peaks, Suarez 13/14 is the greatest ever PL player.
Talks about goal post shifting... then shifts the goal posts to Suarez in a Mo Salah thread
Also Ronaldo's peak is from 2006-2009, not just a single year hence why Suarez isn't even mentioned in these types of discussions. Tbf, he should be on the basis of that season alone.
Well that's a crap argument.
How do you know that?
He has won actual trophies. He's won both the premier League and Champions League. But even that is hardly relevant to the discussion. We aren't talking about team success; it's a comparison of individual players.
As much as it may annoy you (as you put it), "stats" i.e. Salah topping Ronaldo's career highs in League goals in a season and total goals in all competitions in a season matter in a discussion of all time peaks and in a comparison of impact.
Otherwise, it's simple to adduce all of John O'Shea's titles as a better measure of success.
We won 2 league titles after Ronaldo with Antonio Valencia as his replacement. We were unlucky not win more.
Cristiano won Ballon Dor, how much more individual proof you want.
Cristiano is a generational player, but Salah will easily be in the top 10 players of the PL - ahead of Bale, Zola, Lampard, Gerrard and some of the names I've seen mentioned here.
And definitely ahead of Mane, no doubt about that.
And definitely ahead of Mane, no doubt about that.
Realistically if he keeps it up for 3/4 more years he'll be knocking at Henry's door.
Lampard? Not sure about that, dude used to post 20 goals a season from midfield every year. Ok for most of his career he had a lot of licence to go and attack, and I really didn't like him as a player, but his record is unbelievable.
Knocking at the door? He would be way past it, if he keeps this form up for 3 years he’ll be ahead by a fair bit.
He’s not to far of being ahead of Lampard already, Lampard was never at any point the best player in the world, Salah will be ahead of any PL midfielder if he keeps this form up for a couple more seasons, it’s almost as if people are forgetting he is on course to beating his own PL record. Only Henry Ronaldo andSuarez have had seasons like he did in his first season, and he is on course to beating that even.
Salah isn't a midfielder, he's a forward. Same as Ronaldo was.
Ronaldo was a midfielder for his first 4 years.
I mean to say only Henry and Ronaldo will be left in the discussions of PL players better than him.
You mean when he wasn't particularly outstanding? I think his only world class season where you'd have any case for saying he was a midfielder was 06/07. 23 goals and 20 assists from midfield, fair enough you'd take that.
And he wasn't exactly setting the world alight with his scoring, then. Or dominating in terms of playmaking the way other playmakers do.
Well yeah, he was an extremely young player adapting to a very physically demanding league. Still he was quite good during that period with phases where his raw talent shone through until he became the best player in the country in 2006.
The defense is what won United the league in 08/09.
You're essentially repeating what I said. He wasn't exactly playing at an elite level back then. And he didn't become anything resembling the best player in Europe until 2008 when he certainly wasn't a midfielder by any stretch of the imagination.
Suarez was more dominant statistically in 2014 than Ronaldo was in any of his seasons with us. And Henry arguably had a higher peak (2003?) Than even Suarez did. I'm not sure how Salah compares to that version of Henry because while he owns the all time premier League record for goals (and as you pointed out, might even break his own record which will have him stand at 1st and 2nd place all time),it isn't a fair comparison with Henry who was a much better play maker than any of the players we mentioned.
Henry played at Arsenal for 8 seasons, Salah is on his 5th for Liverpool, he'd need to at least match Henry's longevity to be compared to him legacy wise;
Henry never did it in Europe
Yet he was never a protagonist in any of those wins. He won the world cup when he wasn't a starting 11 player and won the CL with Barcelona
He was at an elite level from around February 2006 and the best player in the world as early as 2007. He was playing in midfield those years.
If you replace Suarez with peak Salah in 13/14 liverpool team, would he have taken them to brink of title glory like Suarez did?
I have my doubts. He has become a very good player and stats show that but one thing that helps him achieve those stats is his team mates and manager.
With Brenda as manager and Skrtel in defense and Welsh Xavi in midfield, he'd have been simply average player like he was at Roma and would have not won the PL or achieved the stats he is scaling now.
I have my doubts. He has become a very good player and stats show that but one thing that helps him achieve those stats is his team mates and manager.
With Brenda as manager and Skrtel in defense and Welsh Xavi in midfield, he'd have been simply average player like he was at Roma and would have not won the PL or achieved the stats he is scaling now.
Am I the only one who thinks he initiated contact for that penalty today? Good player but diving little cnut.
This is comical. His Roma stats are impressive
Yet he was never a protagonist in any of those wins. He won the world cup when he wasn't a starting 11 player and won the CL with Barcelona
He was the second best player at Euro 2000, after Zidane.
Even though discussing International level is non-sense considering Egypt is a rubbish tier3 team who can't even beat Saudi Arabia, so it would be unfair for Salah.
I don't think Salah in PL is far off Henry in PL, but as overall player i would take Henry over Salah any day, at the age Salah was playing in the Swiss League, Henry was playing CL semifinal with Monaco.Plus Henry was a superior playmaker than Salah.
Salah is a late bloomer, which is why I would also pick Cantona and Suarez over him when analyzing entire career, not just from 25 years old and on.
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That’s too much of an extreme. Ronaldo was a monster while Salah is a goal scorer. Headed goals, goals from distance, set plays, free kicks, Ronaldo was Liverpools front 3 in 1. Ronaldos best season comprised Salahs best two seasons in 12 months.
Salah can be compared to Kane or Hazard but not Ronaldo. Ronaldo literally guided us to every title going when he was with us. He wasn’t the talisman having his side over shadowed by City, he made us the City of that time.
It’s not easy being the focal point in having your side be the dominating force in England, hence why Salah can’t do it. Not easy winning Ballon Dors either which was your dominating point in another thread but we will pretend that logic doesn’t apply here.. for reasons
I have Henry as the best player in the PL era then Shearer and then Mo,Ronaldo, Suarez in the next group. Two more years at this rate though fo Salah sees him just about at top.
who's Welsh Xavi?This is the scenario I always imagine when I compare Salah to Suarez. He simply wouldn't be hitting the numbers he is now in that Liverpool side Suarez was in. The latter was literally pulling a rabbit out of a hat on a weekly basis, he was an absolute animal that year. He was essentially playing the role of 3 players simultaneously and wrecking teams on his own. Salah might've have been decent but not on his current level (which is elevated by his teammates & Klopp) in that Liverpool side of 13/14.
Diver and a cnut.
Do people remember Salahs best season till date Liverpool finished 4th? Also Suarez had the 2nd top goal scorer in the league with him, Gerrard in Dm Henderson and a young Sterling, the team wasn’t all bad.
Salah is actually the most creative player in the league this season, most assists big chances created, high amount of key passes etc, in fact over the last 3-4 seasons he has been one of the chief playmakers probably behind Fernandes De Bruyne and TAA only, Ronaldo was more electric but their best seasons in the PL are close.
Henry
Ronaldo
Shearer/Salah
is how I would rank it if Salah keeps this form up till the end of the season.
I just can’t see it. I won’t deny Salah is having a great season but there’s levels to this. Ronaldo was the right side on his own, an all round monster.
Do those great players play just as well in the modern game? I think so. Does Salah play well in the era of wide men without being an inside forward? What qualifies him to be greater than Hazard? Rooney? Wayne has the assists, awards and goals as well. There’s a leap from that to Ronaldo / Henry level after that