For the umpteenth time, Mane' was/is never as good as Salah. One is pure class the other is a hard working, good forward. If ever a striker/forward is described as having great work rate that means he doesn't score enough or doesn't have enough qualities in front goal. Messi, Neymar, Salah, Cristiano, Lewandowski, Benzema, Mbappe and players of that ilk are never described as hard working - they do the goals/assists moments of magic do the talking. The donkeys that run around are hard working.
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For the umpteenth time, Mane' was/is never as good as Salah. One is pure class the other is a hard working, good forward. If ever a striker/forward is described as having great work rate that means he doesn't score enough or doesn't have enough qualities in front goal. Messi, Neymar, Salah, Cristiano, Lewandowski, Benzema, Mbappe and players of that ilk are never described as hard working - they do the goals/assists moments of magic do the talking. The donkeys that run around are hard working.
Salah always had the higher ceiling of the two, but I wouldn't call Mane a simple, hard working forward. He was pretty influential in the first part of their title winning season, where he was scoring or setting up winners late in the game. He was Messi's choice for the Balon D'Or voting, where he ended up finishing fourth. If he was only a hard working, any decent forward then plenty would emulate his performance over the last few years. IMO He has great strength, pace, close control, vision, and heading abilities and a tenacity for hounding opponents — it's generally difficult to find a player who excels at all of these skills. Here are his goals and assists from that season :
Loads of clinical finishes and good playmaking on show there.
Huh?
I mean, I like Mane', I think he's a good player and all, but never as good as Salah. No idea why people insist on comparing the two, it's not fair on Sadio.
Sadio's not as good as Salah - that's why he's annoyed with him.
You posted this in two threads now; it really wasn't such a good WUM.
What team do you support btw?
Mane is much more than a hardworking forward though. Man has a great amount of flair too and scores a shed load too. I mean Mane Vs Salah was a very popular debate then and whilst personally I have always rated Salah the better player, there was little between them before Mane “fell off a cliff.” In fact I would say that Mane had a very big shout of Liverpool’s best player (VVD gets my nod in this regard, persoanlly) in their champions league victory.
He obviously supports Liverpool. Look at his posting history.
Salah is good, he might even win the Ballon D'or, but he doesn't move with the grace of great players like Zidane, Messi, Maradona, etc. More like Theo Walcott with a pair of balls.
Do we tend to go for players that have failed in the PL once already?
I personally think Liverpool are an overrated team, with VVD being the biggest lump of overrated shite. The English media has made him into the second coming of Baresi and Beckenbauer, but I just don't see it. Functional midfield, great fullbacks, two hardworking forwards and a genius upfront - that's Liverpool to me in a nutshell.
I actually rated Mane higher before, he was capable of absolute moments of magic and had explosive dribbling pace. Like that goal against Bayern.. just pure natural ability. He was the one primarily beating players. The problem is the work rate, Liverpool don't rotate the forwards so Mane's been run into the ground. Now there's no comparison between the two because Mane's lost a fair bit of his on the ball touch and acceleration.
It's incredible that posters lile this are let through the newbies.
Ban hammer will fall on him soon no doubt.
Talked about this in the other thread. The fact that they were close says more about how good peak Mane is/was.
Nani only scored delightful chips or long range screamers. That guy didn't do average goals.
Mane obviously had lots of moments of magic and Benzema was regularly described as hard working, particularly around the time when he could only manage 5 league goals in a season…which also happened to be the season they won their 3rd consecutive CL.
Having players with magic in their boots that can also act as foils for other exceptional players (Ronaldo, Salah) is pretty common in the most successful teams of all time. Luis Suarez played that critical role in Barca’s treble in 2015. Eto’o played that critical role in both Barca and Inter’s trebles. Lots of magic and even more running around. It’s pretty silly to ignore the importance of contributing to a team’s balance…in a team game.
I don't support Liverpool, they are kinda overrated, snd didn't deserve to win today.
However Salah isn't overrated, he is world class
Mane had a lot of natural ability at Soton as well, if you compare best goals Salah and Mane have scored it won't be a lot between them, but Salah does it a lot more consistently which makes him superior. In simple words, when Salah has the ball at the edge of the box, even with 2-3 players ahead of him, I'm think he's going to beat them or score a curler. In case of Mane, I'm not usually that worried.
He’s so good and on such a roll they gave him the first goal yesterday.
Just to point out that, as a newbie, they have not made it through the newbies phase yet.
But let's leave it at this and go back to the thread topic.Who do you support then? Certainly not United.
Salah just has a level of inevitability to his game that Mane didn't/doesn't. A very good player at his best, but he's on the way down whilst Salah has near enough reached a new height.
Not team in particular.
I have preference for some players (Messi,Benzema,Griezmann, Mbappé,Modric,etc) but that's about it.
You forgot Salah...you know the player you come on a united forum and say things like "Must be a pain for Man Utd fans watching him win stuff with Liverpool"
WUM if I ever saw one. You won't last long pal, enjoy your wums
Virgil van Dijk and Jaap Stam.
I am not ignoring the importance of 'workhorse' players in the chemistry of a winning team - the question was comparing Salah vs Mane' and in that context one's more important than the other. Klopp is not stupid in having Mane work his socks off and giving Salah a free role because he recognizes that one can have a bigger impact in front of goal than the other. Rooney was a great player for us, but compared to Ronaldo in 07-09 he was a tier below, so he had to put in a shift while Ronnie was strutting around... and Fergie and everybody else was ok with it because the Portuguezzer had the ability to score 42 goals a season or come up with outrageous plays that would decide the match. Doesn't mean Rooney was not a great player or fundamental to the team, it just means that compared to Cristiano he was more 'expendable'.
Same holds true in this case
The Rooney Ronaldo comparison is spot on, there was a time when Rooney vs Ronaldo was a valid argument until Ronaldo broke out. Also though same age, Rooney fizzled out earlier while Ronaldo stayed relevant
Sure, yeah. That’s the reason
You've got a hard on for Mane - which is fine, he's a top player. He clearly wants to be the top dog and that's perfectly normal, most strikers want to top the charts, lead stats, and whatnot. Harry Kane swore on his daughter's life that he touched a goal-bound ball once just to add to his tally when he clearly didn't but hey.
Problem for Mane is he's just competing with a more talented and equally/more driven player and he just can't handle it. He'd be better off personally being the top dog in another team. Disagree?
This is painful. You literally have no idea what you are talking about.
I think you’re seriously underrating Pool here they are a well oiled machine capable of winning the champions league again. All made possible by Klopp.
That's only recently. Previous to last season, Mane was the one I'd have more likely to beat players in front of him, whereas Salah was more of a finisher. The roles have reversed somewhat.
Yeah I don’t disagree with any of that, and I agree Salah is better. The point you made was simply that someone who’s described as hard working is someone who doesn’t score enough or have enough qualities in front of goal. One of those examples being Benzema. But then Benzema, like many other examples, was also hard working and top class. Your binary choice was imaginary.
Mo Salah is watching this defence and looking forward to bringing the match ball home on Sunday
What arrogance!
Anything can happen - they got completely outplayed by Atletico for example but still emerged with three points. On the balance of probabilities I'd rate Bayern, City and PSG higher.
Facts
Ok Rafa, go fetch me the menu.
Nah