Mo Salah

SilentWitness said:
32 G + 10 A
22 G + 8 A
19 G + 10 A

Even if you use another metric like xG to show he is not as clinical finisher as others it doesn't matter when he's contributing to more than just goals. I don't see the point in comparing him to a ST either as he's playing a different game to them and takes up different positions where he's taking shots that are different - you regularly see him cut inside and shoot from different angles that a ST won't be doing as much. Yes he's frustrating at times and probably should score more but those are still WC numbers (It's only in the PL) and they're better in consitency than someone such as Hazard who people would regularly claim as the best in the PL. He also notched up 22 G + A and 34 G + A at Roma - Serie A and other comps. He's had 30+ G and A in all comps since 16/17 which is brilliant consistency and it doesn't matter who you are playing for with that, the world class players are able to retain that level of consistency and it's absolutely no fluke.

I think it is also fair that everyone called him WC after obtaining 60 G + A in 17/18. Kane managed 46 G + A in the same year and 42 G + A in the year before, I don't remember people not calling him WC in those seasons. It made sense that despite his excellent first goalscoring year (14-15 where he managed 31 goals in all comps) that people were a bit on the fence due to how other English strikers have performed previously. His first season was a level that was obtainable by a average - good player that is having a once in a lifetime season. Once he backed that up in the next year everyone rightly saw him as WC. There won't be an average player that gets 60 G and A which is why there was that level of difference to people calling Salah WC after that season - including what he did for Roma in the two years before.
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Agreed.

Madrid should test Liverpool with an offer. Make him Bales replacement. I think he'd be tempted. Would make hilarious viewing as Liverpool scramble for a replacement whilst we have Sancho.

On a side note at their peaks who is better between Salah and Bale?
 
F-A-C-T-S said:
Agreed.

Madrid should test Liverpool with an offer. Make him Bales replacement. I think he'd be tempted. Would make hilarious viewing as Liverpool scramble for a replacement whilst we have Sancho.

On a side note at their peaks who is better between Salah and Bale?
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Bale peaked higher but Salah held his longer and was more consistent throughout a season. Bale when he was on it was genuinely one of the most terrifying attackers ever; Rooney's power, Scholes' shooting and Giggs' speed and dribbling
 
F-A-C-T-S said:
Agreed.

Madrid should test Liverpool with an offer. Make him Bales replacement. I think he'd be tempted. Would make hilarious viewing as Liverpool scramble for a replacement whilst we have Sancho.

On a side note at their peaks who is better between Salah and Bale?
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Salah 17/18 > any season from Bale
 
United58 said:
Bale peaked higher but Salah held his longer and was more consistent throughout a season. Bale when he was on it was genuinely one of the most terrifying attackers ever; Rooney's power, Scholes' shooting and Giggs' speed and dribbling
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I'm not sure about that Salah was the 2nd best player in the world 2017-18 season (some say the best)

giorno said:
Salah 17/18 > any season from Bale
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Madrid fan...would you take Salah for that RW?
 
F-A-C-T-S said:
I'm not sure about that Salah was the 2nd best player in the world 2017-18 season (some say the best)
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4th best honestly. But very very very close to the Messi/Cristiano/Neymar trinity

Madrid fan...would you take Salah for that RW?
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Right now? Yeah i would. Impossible though.

Wouldn't be my first choice though
 
Giorno does really like Salah. Everytime this debate comes up he posts a lot.
 
F-A-C-T-S said:
I'm not sure about that Salah was the 2nd best player in the world 2017-18 season (some say the best)
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Oh yeah that's why I said Salah's more consistent, season-by-season I'd pick him. Bale didn't peak as high in an entire season but in some matches, when he was on it, he was as scary as Ronaldo or Messi. Even back in 2010, what he did to Maicon was surreal. He destroyed us at OT too in 2012. Feel for him that injuries restricted him from full seasons a lot - still one of the most decorated players ever!
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Giorno does really like Salah. Everytime this debate comes up he posts a lot.
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I do. I think he's one of the 10 best players in the world

Also very easy to like from his time at Roma. Always has time for fans
 
MalcolmTucker said:
This could also belong in the weird feelings in football thread, but every Liverpool fan I know slates Salah and says he's selfish and overrated but every time I watch him he's great.
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He gets weird amounts of shit from all corners.
I think people are struggling to reconcile what he is as a player between the promising forward coming from Roma and the outrageous first season.

He's erratic and frequently selfish in front of goal. He also plays with a sustained intensity few forwards can match, does a lot of great work in the build up and pulls out great stuff on a regular basis. Where Mane has uncanny bottle, Salah has unmatched tenacity. It adds up to a genuine world class forward.
 
giorno said:
Not in Europe he doesn't, not better than Salah
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Looks like it to me.

Salah goals/assists vs:

Madrid - 0/0 in 3
PSG - 0/0 in 2
Barcelona - 0/0 in 2
Atletico - 0/0 in 2
Bayern - 0/1 in 2
City - 2/1 in 2
Chelsea - 2/0 in 2

Aguero:

Bayern - 3/1 in 4
Barcelona - 1/1 in 4
Madrid - 1/1 in 3
PSG - 0/0 in 2
Chelsea - 2/0 in 1
Juventus - 0/0 in 1

4 goals in 15 games vs 7 and an extra assist.

Take the English teams out and Salah has no goals and 1 assist in 11 games. That's terrible.
 
11101 said:
Looks like it to me.

Salah goals/assists vs:

Madrid - 0/0 in 3
PSG - 0/0 in 2
Barcelona - 0/0 in 2
Atletico - 0/0 in 2
Bayern - 0/1 in 2
City - 2/1 in 2
Chelsea - 2/0 in 2

Aguero:

Bayern - 3/1 in 4
Barcelona - 1/1 in 4
Madrid - 1/1 in 3
PSG - 0/0 in 2
Chelsea - 2/0 in 1
Juventus - 0/0 in 1

4 goals in 15 games vs 7 and an extra assist.

Take the English teams out and Salah has no goals and 1 assist in 11 games. That's terrible.
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Did Salah play 3 times against Madrid already? And what are the two games against Chelsea? He also didn't play in the Anfield game against Barcelona.
 
11101 said:
Looks like it to me.

Salah goals/assists vs:

Madrid - 0/0 in 3
PSG - 0/0 in 2
Barcelona - 0/0 in 2
Atletico - 0/0 in 2
Bayern - 0/1 in 2
City - 2/1 in 2
Chelsea - 2/0 in 2

Aguero:

Bayern - 3/1 in 4
Barcelona - 1/1 in 4
Madrid - 1/1 in 3
PSG - 0/0 in 2
Chelsea - 2/0 in 1
Juventus - 0/0 in 1

4 goals in 15 games vs 7 and an extra assist.

Take the English teams out and Salah has no goals and 1 assist in 11 games. That's terrible.
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Now do the same for KO stages
 
RobinLFC said:
Did Salah play 3 times against Madrid already? And what are the two games against Chelsea? He also didn't play in the Anfield game against Barcelona.
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The stats for both are career totals.
 
giorno said:
Now do the same for KO stages
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You're basing your entire argument on a single QF tie vs Man City. Other than that he's got 1 assist v Bayern in the last 16, that's literally it, and hes made it to the final what? Twice now?
 
11101 said:
You're basing your entire argument on a single QF tie vs Man City. Other than that he's got 1 assist v Bayern in the last 16, that's literally it, and hes made it to the final what? Twice now?
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That's not it, he also scored against Porto and in the CL final last year ;)
 
RobinLFC said:
Did Salah play 3 times against Madrid already? And what are the two games against Chelsea? He also didn't play in the Anfield game against Barcelona.
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The 3 Madrid games are the two 2-0 defeats for Roma v Madrid in the CL and then the 20 minutes or so he managed in the final before the shoulder injury.
 
11101 said:
The stats for both are career totals.
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I don't think including stats for when Salah was turning out for Basel or as a Chelsea sub tells us much about the player he is now.
 
11101 said:
You're basing your entire argument on a single QF tie vs Man City. Other than that he's got 1 assist v Bayern in the last 16, that's literally it, and hes made it to the final what? Twice now?
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Salah has 7 goals and 5 assists in 17
Aguero has 9 goals and 4 assists in 19
 
Salah was shocking for large parts of this past season.... carried hard by Mane & their full backs. Regressed every year since he signed. Will be even worse next year for sure. Bottles it a lot too, mentally weak and very selfish.
 
1966 said:
Very true, mate. That was pretty frustrating as well.

To engage in football discussion is to know human stupidity: logical fallacies, cognitive biases, psychological effects. Almost every documented error of formal and informal logic can be found in just a few pages of discussion. In the case of VVD, there was a ton of recency bias and hasty generalisation.

Recency bias is the bane of my existence -- well, at least on football forums. The maxim of "you're only as good as your last game" sums up that line of thinking better than I could.
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He's been the best CB for while now. Not only that scoring goals against Bayern, etc. His presence = dominance. And composure on the ball...

Matthijs de ligt. Anther good Dutch defender
 
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snowkarl said:
Salah was shocking for large parts of this past season.... carried hard by Mane & their full backs. Regressed every year since he signed. Will be even worse next year for sure. Bottles it a lot too, mentally weak and very selfish.
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The regressed Salah has the same amount of goals this season from out wide, than our main striker in his best season has through the middle.
That's a sobering one.
 
We offered deals to Mane and Firmino but the deals didnt go through because of Pool's negotiation skills, Hope we didnt make any offer to Salah too.
 
Fussball13251 said:
He's been the best CB for while now. Not only that scoring goals against Bayern, etc. His presence = dominance. And composure on the ball...

Matthijs de ligt. Anther good Dutch defender
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To be fair, we were only talking about VVD being hyped too early after a single season at Liverpool. He's a great defender, but we now have the benefit of a much larger sample size of games from which to accurately draw that conclusion.
 
sp_107 said:
We offered deals to Mane and Firmino but the deals didnt go through because of Pool's negotiation skills, Hope we didnt make any offer to Salah too.
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I’m not sure that’s the case at all.

If I remember correctly we went for Depay over Mane. Not in any way saying that was the right move!

It’s commonly reported by MEN (yes I know, but they have been reporting the same story for 5 years, so a good level of truth about it) that the link to Firminho was manufactured to flush out the interest from Liverpool, and that Man Utd never had an interest in him. Again, that’s not saying he’s not a good player, just that Liverpool didn’t beat us to his signature, as we were never interested.
 
What a lovely gesture from Salah. Some real scumbags about but also some lovely people.

 
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