Does anyone agree that Silvestre is a big problem at united at the moment? I mean he gives the ball away to much, and he can't keep up with the fast flowing football that the rest of the players can. He seems nervous every time he gets the ball <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
I think Mickey has come on a lot since he's been with us. He looks good going forward on the overlap with Giggs, and his crossing is improving.
Defensively I think he does get caught out a bit too often, but he has the pace to get back and cover, which sadly Irwin was missing in the last year or two.
Defensively I think he does get caught out a bit too often, but he has the pace to get back and cover, which sadly Irwin was missing in the last year or two.
Oh, i agree that going forward he is capable of. But its when he is back in his own box, his nerves get the better of him! And he tends to make mistakes. I have to disagree, some of his crossing is a joke at times, he trys to play long ball most of the time, which is not uniteds way, more of a liverpool type of play if you ask me.
Not at all, wait for Rio please...
Originally posted by dmode:
<strong>Not at all, wait for Rio please...</strong><hr></blockquote>
What do you mean?!Rio is not going to help Silly vest become a better player!
I think that Mickey is a real asset to the team. There is no one around to match his pace when he is going forward. think back to Bayern (away) and Newcastle matches when his raw pace created dozens of chances.He is still only 22/23 isn't he? As long as he keeps quiet about wanting to play centrehalf, I think he'll be okay.
Yeah he is still at a young age. But everyone keeps praising his pace going forward! When it comes down to defending <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> The only reason he doesn't get the blame at times is because again he has the pace, to make up for some of his mistakes!
Originally posted by edward2002:
<strong>Yeah he is still at a young age. But everyone keeps praising his pace going forward! When it comes down to defending <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> The only reason he doesn't get the blame at times is because again he has the pace, to make up for some of his mistakes!</strong><hr></blockquote>
When he was playing centre half his distribution let him down in vital areas. At fullback, it isn't as obvious and I think that it has improved significantly. The reason why everyone mentions his pace going forward is because it is unique and a real asset. In a settled defene, Mickey will be great.
Originally posted by Collyhurst Red:
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When he was playing centre half his distribution let him down in vital areas. At fullback, it isn't as obvious and I think that it has improved significantly. The reason why everyone mentions his pace going forward is because it is unique and a real asset. In a settled defene, Mickey will be great.
Mickey's very fast. But he's still a defensive liability that costs us points. As soon as Alex can replace him, he will.
Mickey's very fast. But he's still a defensive liability that costs us points. As soon as Alex can replace him, he will.
I'd agree with that. He's guaranteed 1 mistake in nearly every match which at this level is not good enough really.
I'd agree with that. He's guaranteed 1 mistake in nearly every match which at this level is not good enough really.
If he continues to improve the way he has over the past 2 years then he will be a great asset. if this point had been made 2 seasons ago then i would have wholeheartedly agreed. He was a liability. There were very few games last season when his mistakes alone cost us points. Everyone knows his pace is his greatest aspect but his positional sense is geting better, remember he is only 24. He is a late developer. I think we need to give him another season. The defensive problems we had last season were mainly down to an ever changing back 4. We need to get a regular line up at the back. We have the potential to have one of the youngest back 4's in the premiership when they are all fit. Brown - Rio - O'Shea - Mickey
This partnership, injuries aside, has good pace and an average age young enough that it can develop and grow together
This partnership, injuries aside, has good pace and an average age young enough that it can develop and grow together
I don't understand why we need Mickey to be some amazing attacking threat when we already have one of the world's best wingers on the left? Surely it's more important we have a strong defender behind Giggs, who can push up in support when needed, than the other way around?
Mickey is entirely one-footed. which isn't good enough at this level...his right foot is very weak, and he has no body strength as a result on his right side.
Too many of our goals against come from teams exploiting the space between Mickey and the centre back, and he tends to look off balance and make mistakes in situations where he is static and has to control the ball, and where he can't use his speed which is his real strength.
Great going forward though....
Too many of our goals against come from teams exploiting the space between Mickey and the centre back, and he tends to look off balance and make mistakes in situations where he is static and has to control the ball, and where he can't use his speed which is his real strength.
Great going forward though....
Quite simple "He's shit".
I keep hearing he's great going forward, so what he can't defend to save his life. Denis was great going forward but more importantly nothing got past him in defence. Mickey makes more mistakes in one game than Denis made in 11 years.
I hope he proves me wrong but I've been waiting for three years and still haven't seen any evidence to suggest otherwise.
I keep hearing he's great going forward, so what he can't defend to save his life. Denis was great going forward but more importantly nothing got past him in defence. Mickey makes more mistakes in one game than Denis made in 11 years.
I hope he proves me wrong but I've been waiting for three years and still haven't seen any evidence to suggest otherwise.
Originally posted by edward2002:
<strong>Does anyone agree that Silvestre is a big problem at united at the moment? I mean he gives the ball away to much, and he can't keep up with the fast flowing football that the rest of the players can. He seems nervous every time he gets the ball <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Edward, I take it from your location you maybe a scally, but then I maybe wrong. However your opinion is very correct IMO..
He assisted both our goals today didn’t he
...great going forward!!
Yes, great going forward, a valuable inclusion to the team, no doubt about it. It's his defensive skills which worry me sometimes. He tends to get caught out of position sometimes, or make impulsive tackles which lead him to get caught out of position. This is usually due to him going forward.
Don't get me wrong, I'd have him in the team every week, because of what he adds to the attack, but perhaps he should work more on developing the defensive aspect of his role, and let Giggsy do a little more of the attacking on the left, it would be beneficial to both players.
Don't get me wrong, I'd have him in the team every week, because of what he adds to the attack, but perhaps he should work more on developing the defensive aspect of his role, and let Giggsy do a little more of the attacking on the left, it would be beneficial to both players.
Talk about sitting on the fence Blythy. You don't have to (try) please all the people all the time you know? In fact a wise man once said you can't. Silvestre is a left back. The primary duties of a left back are defending. Silvestre is by no means a great left back. Escude will push him hard for a place if he comes. Other than Escude though there don't appear to be many available left backs around. Silvestre going forward is taking the edge out of Giggs' game a bit too. I'm hoping for Escude to replace him frankly.
I wasn't intending to please, Dans. That's my honest opinion. If it seems like I am sat on the defence, it's probably because I am a little wary of singing his praises, when I know there are improvements needed. Like I sad, he adds something to the attack, but defensively, needs to improve.
I usually agree with any criticism that is said on Silvestre regarding his defending, but IMO today he deserves nothing but praises, If he had any faults in defence today I must have missed it but he was just superb.
and to say he takes the edge off Giggsy's play is just wrong IMO, Giggs wasn't up for it today, he doesn't seem ready for the new season so far, he'll probably pick himself up in the next few games.
and to say he takes the edge off Giggsy's play is just wrong IMO, Giggs wasn't up for it today, he doesn't seem ready for the new season so far, he'll probably pick himself up in the next few games.
Giggs hasn't been consistently up for it for months. Silvestre gets him out of jail by steaming up the left wing and whipping in crosses. Silvestre isn't going to improve defensively in my opinion - he's too one footed and prone to clumbsy positional errors. Who was he up against tonight? Zenden? Wow. He may have scored a goal but Zenden has been less than impressive since he joined Barca. And I see Silvestre played at CB again for France this week - he'll be talking again soon.
Its been three years now since he's joined us, yet 'supporters' still wont give him a chance. You wonder if people are ever going to warm to the lad.
I'm a "supporter" who hasn't warmed to "the lad" am I?
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In Silverstre's first season with us nearly over half of the fans were hunting for his head. But he has earned the change of mind of so many fans by his obvious improvement in these few years. Sadly after one or two below average matches some people can't wait to slag him off again. Tonight he was brilliant and we can even say that it was he who earned us the point. With Giggs decreasing in speed Silverstre's contribution to attack from the left will only become more and more important to us.
I must say sorry, becasue last night i thought silvestre was great, not just going forward, lets hope he keeps it up. Also do whoever thought i was a scally, nope, i'm not, and i've been a red since i was 8-1/2, do you know how hard it is to be a red devil in merseyside!? <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
Originally posted by edward2002:
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What do you mean?!
Of course! I'm totally convinced that Rio will not only be a great defender (he'll score some goals also) but will improve considerably the game of the other players...
What do you think?
We dont have a LEADER at the back, at the moment. Gaz and Rio will change that and hopefully bring some much needed cohesion to the defence on thier return.
I fear for barthez though....he's been struggling with injuries for the last few years. This could be the end of the road for him, me thinks!
I fear for barthez though....he's been struggling with injuries for the last few years. This could be the end of the road for him, me thinks!
Originally posted by Sydius:
<strong>I fear for barthez though....he's been struggling with injuries for the last few years. This could be the end of the road for him, me thinks!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't be so pessimistic! We need him like hell, Roy Caroll is starting to show his weaknesses...