Midfield Merry Go Round - It will stop on us soon!

WAZZA-UP

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I know there are a number of threads open aboyt various players, but as each player had his own thread, I wanted to put my thoughts down in general and have a general discussion on this, rather than about a specific person / rumour.

First I wanted to list the main midfielders who appear to be (rumoured to be) making a move this transfer window;

Sneijder
Modric
Sanchez
Pastore
Thiago
Nasri
Fabregas
Gervinho
Rodwell
Hamsik

(Adam)


I noticed that Mancini has pulled out of the race to sign Sanchez yesterday, the very same day that a mysterious bid of 50million euros was submitted and confirmed by the club president for Pastore.

We know that Barcelona cannot afford to buy Sanchez and Fabregas. We also know that more than one official bid has been made to Arsenal for Fabregas from Barcelona.

Main clubs rumoured to be interested in buying a big name midfielder are as follows;

Manchester United
Manchester City
Barcelona
Real Madrid
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal

Now if we do the maths, that's 11 players if we include Adam and Gervinho and 7 clubs.

Liverpool have been heavily linked to Adam
Arsenal likewise have been heavily linked to Gervinho

These are the reasons why I believe we will end up with a very high quality midfielder, there's so many to go around we've got to get one of them, I think once one goes the merry go round will move. i.e. Fabregas to Barcelona, will confirm Gervinho to Arsenal. If Fabregas goes to Barcelona that leaves Sanchez available for Manchester United / Chelsea / Real Madrid as Mancini has officially withdrawn from the race.

As we appear to be starting the season with out Scholes (Confirmed), Gibson, Hargreaves. SAF has to be bringing in his fourth signing of the summer. It's a fact that we have been the most active and I would say successful so far in the transfer window we've moved fast and only appear to so far have lost out on Varane.

I truly believe we will end up with either Sneijder, Sanchez, Nasri or Pastore, failing that Rodwell

My Predictions;
Manchester United - Sneijder / Nasri / Thiago
Manchester City - Pastore
Barcelona - Fabregas
Real Madrid - Sanchez
Chelsea - Modric
Liverpool - Adam
Arsenal - Gervinho

What are your thoughts?

(If a mod wants to close this and move it to another thread apologies in advance.)
 
My thoughts are that we will probably end up signing (most likely) either someone NOT on that or anyone else's current list or we will stop gap for a year and buy someone next year.
 
that looks like a whole lot of waffle ultimately that is speculation already contained in other threads
 
WAZZA-UP said:
Just basing that on the fact that he has sai he want to play in Spain?
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Has he? If that's the case why not link him with Malaga then? They've got money.

Absolutely nothing so far suggests Sanchez will go to Real Madrid, I'd say there's more chance of him staying at Udinese than going to Real Madrid.
 
WAZZA-UP said:
We know that Barcelona cannot afford to buy Sanchez and Fabregas.
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Not true. Rossel said that they would dip into next year's budget if circumstances required. They also have the option of selling players to raise funds, or use them as part-exchange. Apparently their accepted bid for Sanchez is just €26m up-front, with €11m in add-ons. That leaves almost €20m even if you go along with that €45m budget. If, and it appears they are, Arsenal are willing to sell, they will buy both. Which is frankly frightening.
 
Feeky_Magee said:
Not true. Rossel said that they would dip into next year's budget if circumstances required. They also have the option of selling players to raise funds, or use them as part-exchange. Apparently their accepted bid for Sanchez is just €26m up-front, with €11m in add-ons. That leaves almost €20m even if you go along with that €45m budget. If, and it appears they are, Arsenal are willing to sell, they will buy both. Which is frankly frightening.
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Fair point, maybe my predictions weren't that accurate but this is the exact kind if debate I wanted to generate, it appears to be working so far :) but even if Barcelona do buy both yes it would be frightening but there's still plenty of quality players left which is my main point, I've not even mentioned Mata in there and I'm sure there's others who people could mention too.
 
WAZZA-UP said:
Fair point, maybe my predictions weren't that accurate but this is the exact kind if debate I wanted to generate, it appears to be working so far :) but even if Barcelona do buy both yes it would be frightening but there's still plenty of quality players left which is my main point, I've not even mentioned Mata in there and I'm sure there's others who people could mention too.
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Modric - Wants to stay in London, so Chelsea then.
Sanchez - Barca bound (and not a midfielder)
Pastore - No chance. €50m and has made no qualms about leaving
Thiago - Barca made that mistake with Cesc before, they won't make it with him seeing as he's potentially amazing.
Nasri - Very unlikely.
Fabregas - Barca bound
Gervinho - Striker
Hamsik - Staying in Italy, as he said himself.

So basically, Sneijder and Rodwell out of that list, neither of whom are really what we need right now.
 
Feeky_Magee said:
Not true. Rossel said that they would dip into next year's budget if circumstances required. They also have the option of selling players to raise funds, or use them as part-exchange. Apparently their accepted bid for Sanchez is just €26m up-front, with €11m in add-ons. That leaves almost €20m even if you go along with that €45m budget. If, and it appears they are, Arsenal are willing to sell, they will buy both. Which is frankly frightening.
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I think if Barca get Sanchez they will be even less inclined to get Fabregas. Fabregas isn't a necessity for them, their midfield is their strongest area and he probably wouldn't get into their team. Add to that a poor last season including particularly underwhelming performances against Barca in the CL and its difficult to see how they are ever going to be willing to match Arsenal's valuation.

If the rumours about Nasri wanting to leave are true, keeping Fabregas would make it easier to swallow selling Nasri to United and a way of appeasing the fans.
 
Irwin said:
I think if Barca get Sanchez they will be even less inclined to get Fabregas. Fabregas isn't a necessity for them, their midfield is their strongest area and he probably wouldn't get into their team. Add to that a poor last season including particularly underwhelming performances against Barca in the CL and its difficult to see how they are ever going to be willing to match Arsenal's valuation.

If the rumours about Nasri wanting to leave are true, keeping Fabregas would make it easier to swallow selling Nasri to United and a way of appeasing the fans.
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Guardiola has pretty much said he'll leave if they don't go for Cesc, he's been stomping at the board to get him since last Summer. He's definitely a higher priority than Sanchez.
 
cina said:
Guardiola has pretty much said he'll leave if they don't go for Cesc, he's been stomping at the board to get him since last Summer. He's definitely a higher priority than Sanchez.
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I know he said that he wanted Fabregas to come but I didn't know he gave any kind of ultimatum, whats the source?
 
cina said:
Modric - Wants to stay in London, so Chelsea then.
Sanchez - Barca bound (and not a midfielder)
Pastore - No chance. €50m and has made no qualms about leaving
Thiago - Barca made that mistake with Cesc before, they won't make it with him seeing as he's potentially amazing.
Nasri - Very unlikely.
Fabregas - Barca bound
Gervinho - Striker
Hamsik - Staying in Italy, as he said himself.

So basically, Sneijder and Rodwell out of that list, neither of whom are really what we need right now.
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Modric won't be going to Chelsea or anywhere else. But if (for argument's sake) your other assumptions are accepted, then:

* That leaves you and Chelsea to divide up Sneijder and Rodwell between yourselves.

* Chelsea won't go for Rodwell since they'll want a first-choice starting XI player ... therefore they'll get Sneijder.

* Therefore you'll be left with Rodwell .... unless you get cold feet and opt for Adams instead in a panicky sort of way for fear of being left without a chair when the music stops.

It's all simple stuff really, this transfer lark ;)
 
GlastonSpur said:
Modric won't be going to Chelsea or anywhere else. But if (for argument's sake) your other assumptions are accepted, then:

* That leaves you and Chelsea to divide up Sneijder and Rodwell between yourselves.

* Chelsea won't go for Rodwell since they'll want a first-choice starting XI player ... therefore they'll get Sneijder.

* Therefore you'll be left with Rodwell .... unless you get cold feet and opt for Adams instead in a panicky sort of way for fear of being left without a chair when the music stops.

It's all simple stuff really, this transfer lark ;)
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Shudder
 
GlastonSpur said:
Modric won't be going to Chelsea or anywhere else. But if (for argument's sake) your other assumptions are accepted, then:

* That leaves you and Chelsea to divide up Sneijder and Rodwell between yourselves.

* Chelsea won't go for Rodwell since they'll want a first-choice starting XI player ... therefore they'll get Sneijder.

* Therefore you'll be left with Rodwell .... unless you get cold feet and opt for Adams instead in a panicky sort of way for fear of being left without a chair when the music stops.

It's all simple stuff really, this transfer lark ;)
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:lol: what a complete taint you are
 
GlastonSpur said:
Modric won't be going to Chelsea or anywhere else. But if (for argument's sake) your other assumptions are accepted, then:

* That leaves you and Chelsea to divide up Sneijder and Rodwell between yourselves.

* Chelsea won't go for Rodwell since they'll want a first-choice starting XI player ... therefore they'll get Sneijder.

* Therefore you'll be left with Rodwell .... unless you get cold feet and opt for Adams instead in a panicky sort of way for fear of being left without a chair when the music stops.

It's all simple stuff really, this transfer lark ;)
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There again, it could be worse, we could be in a position where we have to sell players in order to buy, whilst having a frustrated transfer whore of a manager....... providing he stays out of prison. ;)
 
WAZZA-UP said:
I know there are a number of threads open aboyt various players, but as each player had his own thread, I wanted to put my thoughts down in general and have a general discussion on this, rather than about a specific person / rumour.

First I wanted to list the main midfielders who appear to be (rumoured to be) making a move this transfer window;

Sneijder
Modric
Sanchez
Pastore
Thiago
Nasri
Fabregas
Gervinho
Rodwell
Hamsik

(Adam)


I noticed that Mancini has pulled out of the race to sign Sanchez yesterday, the very same day that a mysterious bid of 50million euros was submitted and confirmed by the club president for Pastore.

We know that Barcelona cannot afford to buy Sanchez and Fabregas. We also know that more than one official bid has been made to Arsenal for Fabregas from Barcelona.

Main clubs rumoured to be interested in buying a big name midfielder are as follows;

Manchester United
Manchester City
Barcelona
Real Madrid
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal

Now if we do the maths, that's 11 players if we include Adam and Gervinho and 7 clubs.

Liverpool have been heavily linked to Adam
Arsenal likewise have been heavily linked to Gervinho

These are the reasons why I believe we will end up with a very high quality midfielder, there's so many to go around we've got to get one of them, I think once one goes the merry go round will move. i.e. Fabregas to Barcelona, will confirm Gervinho to Arsenal. If Fabregas goes to Barcelona that leaves Sanchez available for Manchester United / Chelsea / Real Madrid as Mancini has officially withdrawn from the race.

As we appear to be starting the season with out Scholes (Confirmed), Gibson, Hargreaves. SAF has to be bringing in his fourth signing of the summer. It's a fact that we have been the most active and I would say successful so far in the transfer window we've moved fast and only appear to so far have lost out on Varane.

I truly believe we will end up with either Sneijder, Sanchez, Nasri or Pastore, failing that Rodwell

My Predictions;
Manchester United - Sneijder / Nasri / Thiago
Manchester City - Pastore
Barcelona - Fabregas
Real Madrid - Sanchez
Chelsea - Modric
Liverpool - Adam
Arsenal - Gervinho

What are your thoughts?

(If a mod wants to close this and move it to another thread apologies in advance.)
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Your big logical flaw is to not take account of the selling clubs. This means two things:

1) Some players won't move - staying where they are is an option
2) Those that do may also need to be replaced, intensifying the competition for those on your list

So actually, it's not anything like an '11 in 7' chance we'd get someone in.
 
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