If there was any need for proof. Scholesy today sent a message to SAF and the WORLD. He is a better player than Veron and should not be sacrificed any more.
And Butt had a great game too
And Butt had a great game too
message to SAF
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Go too hell!
Veron was the best player on pitch along with Owen in the Worst first half of Mundial 2002. Bielsa was a fool to take him off.
(Only the penalty and the post hit was of interest imo)
Veron was the best player on pitch along with Owen in the Worst first half of Mundial 2002. Bielsa was a fool to take him off.
(Only the penalty and the post hit was of interest imo)
Veron is not fit to lace the boots of Butt or Scholes, they are true United players, not over-priced primadonnas who don't give a feck.
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Go too hell!
Veron was the best player on pitch along with Owen in the Worst first half of Mundial 2002.
Bielsa was a fool to take him off.
(Only the penalty and the post hit was of interest imo)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yep, especially when he was spraying accurate passes to the ball boys.
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Go too hell!
Veron was the best player on pitch along with Owen in the Worst first half of Mundial 2002. Bielsa was a fool to take him off.
(Only the penalty and the post hit was of interest imo)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Stupidest post you've ever made kemo - you're losing it. Owen was not the best on the pitch either and the game was of a high standard for 70 mins.
I am a supporter of most Utd players (not Yorke or those who dont bother playing) and this includes Veron.
It seems we have a bunch of GREAT players. Beckham, Veron, Scholes, Butt, Keane, Giggs. But every one of them (Keane and Bex to lesser degree) are very capable of letting us down against any kind of opposition i.e. Leverkusen - boro.
All our players have games where they disappear, its quite worrying. So dont blame Veron and stop being so fickle. We're all in the same camp - seperation will only make us weaker. Dont make Veron enemy number one - thats Arsenal and Liverpool. I'm sure Fergie knows this.
pizzu - PS has to string a couple of performances together in big games b4 he applies for sainthood. butt would have played him off the pitch like he did to veron. all in all PS who played like sh1te in 1st match played ok today. butt was the best MF today bar none! i'd rate PS at about 4th best in england's mf today. butt sinclear , becks then PS.
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Go too hell!
Veron was the best player on pitch along with Owen in the Worst first half of Mundial 2002. Bielsa was a fool to take him off.
(Only the penalty and the post hit was of interest imo)</strong><hr></blockquote>
feckin wankers having a go at United players, you have'nt got a clue
Veron was taken off because he was carrying an injury and was having a bad match. The Argentine coach also realised that he was facing 3 midfielders who knew what to expect from him. He will be back next match.
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Go too hell!
Veron was the best player on pitch along with Owen in the Worst first half of Mundial 2002. </strong><hr></blockquote>
You are joking.
We just watched it on TV and made a point of studying JSV, and whether because of injury, or just an off day, he made more bad passes than good ones.
Scholes and Butt were by far the better players today.
Nicky Butt played an outstanding game today, I remember travelling to Manchester to watch United in my early days and at the end of season everyone predicting that Butt amongest many would leave, I on the other hand disagreed with them and said that one day, he'll shine through, and by jove, he has (Yaps for next United manager ) and he's proved that so many times throughout the season and for his performance today and hoepfully many more to come, he plays with crest on his heart - the way football should be played
) and he's proved that so many times throughout the season and for his performance today and hoepfully many more to come, he plays with crest on his heart - the way football should be playedOriginally posted by pizzu:
<strong>If there was any need for proof. Scholesy today sent a message to SAF and the WORLD. He is a better player than Veron and should not be sacrificed any more.
And Butt had a great game too
You can prove anything by just one match. Veron is a world class player and he showed this in the match against Nigeria. Today Veron had an off day but Scholes was little better than him.
Am I to take it that you believe therefore that Scholes is a better footballer than Juan Veron?
Because, for a purely factually point of view, if you check optas stats for the season, you will see that JSV was above scholes both in terms of the best attacking midfielders and midfielders in general, infact veron is the the top five midfielders in the premiership this season according to the stats!!!! for all you JSV knockers.
You know i'm a loyal red and england supporter as well, the one thing i will say is, (and this is going out to all the veron knockers) dont make it difficult for this guy to come back and play for us, he is a world class player that if given time could become a great at old trafford.
The amount of veron slaggers is unbelieveable, i mean you expect it from 'pool or arsehole fans but not your own kind, its fecking disgusting. Becuase he is a foreigner, the talk is oh he does not really care about the club, only in it for the money, pansy blah blah feckin blah, its pathetic really, that such backward attituteds still exist, there are plenty of mercenaries in the game who are english.
JSV, ok had an indifferent season, but the guy will come good, if people have faith in him, i'm disgusted to hear that he feels he is getting a lot of abuse from his home fans at old T. Thats fecking aunforgivable, have an opinion yes, but feckin hell support your own players of feck off, is my general attitude.
And on a ligther note: Long live JSV and feckin hell well done Becks & all the England Boys - (the stuff dreams are made of!)
Because, for a purely factually point of view, if you check optas stats for the season, you will see that JSV was above scholes both in terms of the best attacking midfielders and midfielders in general, infact veron is the the top five midfielders in the premiership this season according to the stats!!!! for all you JSV knockers.
You know i'm a loyal red and england supporter as well, the one thing i will say is, (and this is going out to all the veron knockers) dont make it difficult for this guy to come back and play for us, he is a world class player that if given time could become a great at old trafford.
The amount of veron slaggers is unbelieveable, i mean you expect it from 'pool or arsehole fans but not your own kind, its fecking disgusting. Becuase he is a foreigner, the talk is oh he does not really care about the club, only in it for the money, pansy blah blah feckin blah, its pathetic really, that such backward attituteds still exist, there are plenty of mercenaries in the game who are english.
JSV, ok had an indifferent season, but the guy will come good, if people have faith in him, i'm disgusted to hear that he feels he is getting a lot of abuse from his home fans at old T. Thats fecking aunforgivable, have an opinion yes, but feckin hell support your own players of feck off, is my general attitude.
And on a ligther note: Long live JSV and feckin hell well done Becks & all the England Boys - (the stuff dreams are made of!)
and damn.. who is this Djordic youngster who's slamming his own teammate now?
He's not even fit to lace his boots......geez..
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He's not even fit to lace his boots......geez..
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well said Cigar!
No matter how much you support United players you can't help but notice that Veron was taken out of the game yesterday. Nicky Butt added the steel we needed. Isn't this exactly the problem Veron has operating in England?
I'd love to see him stay and succeed but I don't think he is the player for us (I did at the time of his signing) and more importantly I don't think that his heart is in it anymore. I expect to see him in Spain or Italy next year.
I'd love to see him stay and succeed but I don't think he is the player for us (I did at the time of his signing) and more importantly I don't think that his heart is in it anymore. I expect to see him in Spain or Italy next year.
FAO Cigar. Question.
Do you think Solskjaer is better than Ruud Van Nistelrooy?
Do you think Solskjaer is better than Ruud Van Nistelrooy?
Originally posted by Cigar:
<strong>Am I to take it that you believe therefore that Scholes is a better footballer than Juan Veron?
Because, for a purely factually point of view, if you check optas stats for the season, you will see that JSV was above scholes both in terms of the best attacking midfielders and midfielders in general, infact veron is the the top five midfielders in the premiership this season according to the stats!!!! for all you JSV knockers.
You know i'm a loyal red and england supporter as well, the one thing i will say is, (and this is going out to all the veron knockers) dont make it difficult for this guy to come back and play for us, he is a world class player that if given time could become a great at old trafford.
The amount of veron slaggers is unbelieveable, i mean you expect it from 'pool or arsehole fans but not your own kind, its fecking disgusting. Becuase he is a foreigner, the talk is oh he does not really care about the club, only in it for the money, pansy blah blah feckin blah, its pathetic really, that such backward attituteds still exist, there are plenty of mercenaries in the game who are english.
JSV, ok had an indifferent season, but the guy will come good, if people have faith in him, i'm disgusted to hear that he feels he is getting a lot of abuse from his home fans at old T. Thats fecking aunforgivable, have an opinion yes, but feckin hell support your own players of feck off, is my general attitude.
And on a ligther note: Long live JSV and feckin hell well done Becks & all the England Boys - (the stuff dreams are made of!)
Agree 100%, a lot of so-called United fans should be ashamed of themselves. The last time I checked Veron was a United player and was determined to be a success.
People forget how good he was at the start of the season, when he was free from injury. He is NOT fully fit and hasn't been since Christmas, he needs on operation to resolve this but didn't want to miss the WC.
Nothing like giving a player a chance is there.
Chronic who do you thik was the best player on pitch?
And do you really think Bielsa was wise to replace Veron when the rest of the team including Kily, the worst on the pack, were doing nutta?
Have you forgotten that all Argentina's fst half chances were created by Veron?
Tell me Owen was n't the best in first half when the Argies didn't attack at all. Second half was when the Butt and Scholes shone wasn't it? Rember the chances Caballero stopped?
And do you really think Bielsa was wise to replace Veron when the rest of the team including Kily, the worst on the pack, were doing nutta?
Have you forgotten that all Argentina's fst half chances were created by Veron?
Tell me Owen was n't the best in first half when the Argies didn't attack at all. Second half was when the Butt and Scholes shone wasn't it? Rember the chances Caballero stopped?
I don't want to be picky here but how is rooting for Scholes and Butt being interpreted as slagging off a United player.
It's giving an opinion on which United player(s) should be in the team.
It could be seen as slagging off Scholes/Butt by some.
And yesterday, JSV wasn't a Manchester United player. He was an Argentinian player, and he was played off the park. Another game might tell a different story and should be commented on accordingly. Tell it as it is.
Is starting to seem tho that JSV can't play his normal game when other Manchester United players are on the pitch....
It's giving an opinion on which United player(s) should be in the team.
It could be seen as slagging off Scholes/Butt by some.
And yesterday, JSV wasn't a Manchester United player. He was an Argentinian player, and he was played off the park. Another game might tell a different story and should be commented on accordingly. Tell it as it is.
Is starting to seem tho that JSV can't play his normal game when other Manchester United players are on the pitch....
Originally posted by kemo:
[QB]Chronic who do you thik was the best player on pitch?
And do you really think Bielsa was wise to replace Veron....
Have you forgotten that all Argentina's fst half chances were created by Veron?
Tell me Owen was n't the best in first half when the Argies didn't attack at all.... [QB]<hr></blockquote>
So according to you Veron was the guy that set up all the Argentinians' first half chances even though they never actually managed to mount an attack.....
feck me he must be one hell of a great player... do you reckon we should sign him then yeah?
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Show me a player in the world who doesn't have games where he disappears!</strong><hr></blockquote>
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Originally posted by JOBT:
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<img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
According to Shao he does..
But we all know Shao talks shite
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>
Show me a player in the world who doesn't have games where he disappears!</strong><hr></blockquote>
How familiar it was to see a big match come along and, hey presto!, Veron disappears... He claims he is "injured"... HA! But the coach says bollocks, you were taken off because you were crap.
How familiar, too, were those penetrating through balls -- to the advertising hoardings...
... those tackles (that he avoided)
Two games sum it up about Veron: against Bayer Leverkusen, when the man bought "to unlock the european defences" went and hid in defence when we most needed a goal (in the last ten minutes).
And yesterday's game: where in a crucial world cup game, he goes missing.
Goodbye Veron. Thanks for the memory of the one performance against Everton. Now go and screw up the midfield for another team.
How familiar, too, were those penetrating through balls -- to the advertising hoardings...
... those tackles (that he avoided)
Two games sum it up about Veron: against Bayer Leverkusen, when the man bought "to unlock the european defences" went and hid in defence when we most needed a goal (in the last ten minutes).
And yesterday's game: where in a crucial world cup game, he goes missing.
Goodbye Veron. Thanks for the memory of the one performance against Everton. Now go and screw up the midfield for another team.
Originally posted by mancred:
<strong>How familiar it was to see a big match come along and, hey presto!, Veron disappears... He claims he is "injured"... HA! But the coach says bollocks, you were taken off because you were crap.
How familiar, too, were those penetrating through balls -- to the advertising hoardings...
... those tackles (that he avoided)
Two games sum it up about Veron: against Bayer Leverkusen, when the man bought "to unlock the european defences" went and hid in defence when we most needed a goal (in the last ten minutes).
And yesterday's game: where in a crucial world cup game, he goes missing.
Goodbye Veron. Thanks for the memory of the one performance against Everton. Now go and screw up the midfield for another team.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What the hell are you on about? Geek!
Keano, Butt and Beckham dont really disappear when it comes to work rate. But from a creative point of view, they do.
Giggs, Scholes and Veron are particularly prone to disappearing recently. Its not that nothing they do works, just that they disappear, never get on the ball, never tackle, never make a good pass - just become totally non-effective/marked out.
Beckham will always be there running around, whether on the ball or off it. He will always try a pass or press a player. Keano and Butt will always make the opposition work. Whether they are successful is another matter - being involved is the first step.
Why do you even dispute it? Our players were alot less effective and consistent this season - there were too many games where they went walkabout, failed to create, failed to win the midfield battle, failed to defend properly.
Why the Hell would that be considered "talking shit"? Its practically a fact.
Owen was not the best player, Butt was. But they all played great really.
Giggs, Scholes and Veron are particularly prone to disappearing recently. Its not that nothing they do works, just that they disappear, never get on the ball, never tackle, never make a good pass - just become totally non-effective/marked out.
Beckham will always be there running around, whether on the ball or off it. He will always try a pass or press a player. Keano and Butt will always make the opposition work. Whether they are successful is another matter - being involved is the first step.
Why do you even dispute it? Our players were alot less effective and consistent this season - there were too many games where they went walkabout, failed to create, failed to win the midfield battle, failed to defend properly.
Why the Hell would that be considered "talking shit"? Its practically a fact.
Owen was not the best player, Butt was. But they all played great really.
my whole point in starting this thread is not to knock down Veron and say he should be sold. What i have been saying is that forcing other midfield players to play out of position just because Veron was available probably cost us the title. SAF should pick the in-form midfielders (4 of them please!!) and let the others fight for their place. That's what happens in great teams. Maybe next season JSV will show his potential?? I HOPE so
Originally posted by pizzu:
<strong>my whole point in starting this thread is not to knock down Veron and say he should be sold. What i have been saying is that forcing other midfield players to play out of position just because Veron was available probably cost us the title. SAF should pick the in-form midfielders (4 of them please!!) and let the others fight for their place. That's what happens in great teams. Maybe next season JSV will show his potential?? I HOPE so
bloody hypocrite you are, pizzu....you slag off veron, then say it's not what you intended?! anyways, in saying he did not play to his true potential, right on that account you are......give the man a break will you...everyone has a bad game once in a while....still think he needs to be free of that niggling injury and used to the premiership, then we'll see a plyer from a different planet with astounding skills.....
actually the reason for argentina's slump, in jedi master's opinion is NOT the fact that veron played against against 2, at times 3 club mates who quite possibly know everything bout him and his style of play.....no excuse for a world class midfielder, quite right but the REAL reason was that england were stiffling the runners off the ball for argentina, very effectively closing them down early and there were no options for veron's intricate passing.......aimar on the other hand goes at players, that's why england had titanic problems in the second half.....well, just the opinion of an old jedi master, this is.....and for all those who claim veron is utter bollocks, don't worry, we'lll welcome you back when you lot come in singing the man's praises.....bunch of moronic imbeciles...slagging off a united player.....sigh.....
Last season was a disaster. The two before were acceptable but could have been better. This seems to have been the view of United supporters at the end of the last three seasons. In 2000 and 2001 we were disappointed that we lost in the Euro quarter finals to Bayern and Real Madrid. Yes, we won the league by miles but that was not enough. We now judge ourselves by where we finish in the Champions League. At least that was the case before we lost the premiership to Arsenal.
Fergy bought Veron to improve our chances in Europe. It didn't work out for several reasons. one of which was that Veron failed to deliver.
We could get rid of Veron (the 25ish million would be great if used where it is needed) but can we win the Champions League with our current squad? Fergie thinks not.
Various players have been mentioned on this site as possibles for United. In particular, some Argentine youngsters have been mentioned as being able to provide the missing ingredient. If Veron, the best Argentine midfielder, has failed why will Requelme (sp?) and d'Allessandro (sp?) succeed? It is very tempting to idealise promising youngsters but it is unlikely that they will win us the CL.
Fergy bought Veron to improve our chances in Europe. It didn't work out for several reasons. one of which was that Veron failed to deliver.
We could get rid of Veron (the 25ish million would be great if used where it is needed) but can we win the Champions League with our current squad? Fergie thinks not.
Various players have been mentioned on this site as possibles for United. In particular, some Argentine youngsters have been mentioned as being able to provide the missing ingredient. If Veron, the best Argentine midfielder, has failed why will Requelme (sp?) and d'Allessandro (sp?) succeed? It is very tempting to idealise promising youngsters but it is unlikely that they will win us the CL.