Mayweather | Doping scandal..... true or false

I know this would be massive news and that fitness plays a huge, huge part in boxing but much as I loathe him he's great because of his incredible technique and economic style.


It's a bit like finding out that Riquelme was blood doping.


I guess the biggest advantage for him would have been the extra time working on that technique?
 
Pexbo said:
I know this would be massive news and that fitness plays a huge, huge part in boxing but much as I loathe him he's great because of his incredible technique and economic style.


It's a bit like finding out that Riquelme was blood doping.


I guess the biggest advantage for him would have been the extra time working on that technique?
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I think USADA permits a certain amount of Vitamins ( up until 50 mm), but they also state that you are not allowed to inject yourself with an IV drip, because that supplement can be used to mask other potential substances that may be already in your system. 750MM is mental and very suspicious. At the end of the day if these reports are true, there should be a certain punishment, because sports have rules and in the UFC a lot of fighters ( Jon Johnes, The Spider Silva, Nick Diaz) all got suspended for illegal supplements.
 
This stuff came out a few days back. The substance isn't illegal, the method of administration is.
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
I think USADA permits a certain amount of Vitamins ( up until 50 mm), but they also state that you are not allowed to inject yourself with an IV drip, because that supplement can be used to mask other potential substances that may be already in your system. 750MM is mental and very suspicious. At the end of the day if these reports are true, there should be a certain punishment, because sports have rules and in the UFC a lot of fighters ( Jon Johnes, The Spider Silva, Nick Diaz) all got suspended for illegal supplements.
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Yeah I know the deal and it should be investigated further. I'm just saying that the reason Floyyd always wins is down to technique and tactics rather than strength and fitness.
 
There's been theory for a while now that Mayweather was forced to accept his last fight deal or his history of this kind of thing would be exposed.
Explains why he went on a sudden fight every six months spree when he fought once per 18 months prior.
Milk the cash cow or your legacy will be exposed.
I don't believe it myself but Mayweather brings a lot of money to the sport
 
Pexbo said:
Yeah I know the deal and it should be investigated further. I'm just saying that the reason Floyyd always wins is down to technique and tactics rather than strength and fitness.
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You're not wrong on why he wins but the fitter you are the sharper you'll be mentally and physically to be able to keep the technique up later in a match. So there are certainly massive benifits to be had from that.
 
Would be crazy if this came to be true and punishment was given. First Silva (one of the greatest MMA fighters) has his legacy tarnished somewhat and now Mayweather, one of the elites in boxing, might have his legacy ruined.

Might have to move on from watching these sports and start watching bum fights in Ireland.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
I'm almost certain that they're not banned. It's saline and multivitamins.
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The 2015 WADA “Prohibited Substances and Methods List” states, “Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 ml per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures, or clinical investigations.”

In regards to the supplements : ''The first was a mixture of 250 milliliters of saline and multi-vitamins. The second was a 500-milliliter mixture of saline and Vitamin C.''

Moreover, IVs are banned under WADA guidelines because they can mask the presence of other potential substances.
 
Snowjoe said:
You're not wrong on why he wins but the fitter you are the sharper you'll be mentally and physically to be able to keep the technique up later in a match. So there are certainly massive benifits to be had from that.
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If your gameplay is to win every fight on points and not get hit, being mentally and physically fresh going into the heart of the match is a huge advantage.
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
The 2015 WADA “Prohibited Substances and Methods List” states, “Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 ml per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures, or clinical investigations.”

In regards to the supplements : ''The first was a mixture of 250 milliliters of saline and multi-vitamins. The second was a 500-milliliter mixture of saline and Vitamin C.''

Moreover, IVs are banned under WADA guidelines because they can mask the presence of other potential substances.
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Yeah like I said, it's the method of administration which is illegal, not the actual drugs.
 
Pexbo said:
I know this would be massive news and that fitness plays a huge, huge part in boxing but much as I loathe him he's great because of his incredible technique and economic style.


It's a bit like finding out that Riquelme was blood doping.


I guess the biggest advantage for him would have been the extra time working on that technique?
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Absolutely, but he is a very mobile boxer who runs for practically every minute of every round. There's no doubt that there are PED's that would improve his stamina. 750ml is enough to flush out and eliminate evidence of most illicit substances, it looks very suspicious.
 
cyberman said:
If your gameplay is to win every fight on points and not get hit, being mentally and physically fresh going into the heart of the match is a huge advantage.
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Exactly.

It's amazing how much technique and speed can suffer from being physically and mentally tired.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
Yeah like I said, it's the method of administration which is illegal, not the actual drugs.
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And the strange part is that Mayweather received an retroactive exemption for the IV after the fight, like three weeks later. IV's are still banned under WADA guidelines tho ?

''The second (IV) was a 500-milliliter mixture of saline and Vitamin C. Seven hundred and fifty milliliters equals 25.361 ounces, an amount equal to roughly 16 percent of the blood normally present in an average adult male."

That is way beyond what is approved. Could be nothing, or could be another Armstrong. Time will tell.
 
The article this all stems from also mentions a testosterone test that Mayweather took where he had a score well below the norm, another red flag that should have been investigated by USADA - but wasn't. I think low testosterone levels indicates flushing to hide traces of banned substances.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if there is some truth in it though, we've experienced plenty of scandals in sports now. But Mayweather has a huge influence on boxing in Las Vegas I feel.
 
Didn't all this out only come out after the deadline for investigation or punishment or something too?

Either way, he says all the usual "athlete taking drugs" statements.

"I was the one who wanted stricter guidelines" blah blah.
 
Meh, he isn't the fastest neither the strongest. What makes him the best is his technique and his 'boxing IQ' and those two aren't things that get increased by doping.

Considering that he always has asked for more doping testing, I really doubt that there is anything here.
 
Revan said:
Meh, he isn't the fastest neither the strongest. What makes him the best is his technique and his 'boxing IQ' and those two aren't things that get increased by doping.

Considering that he always has asked for more doping testing, I really doubt that there is anything here.
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The same could have been said about the MMA GOAT Anderson Silva before he was busted.

The truth is that the PED using athlete will have an enormous advantage over the non-PED using athlete. Sure, Mayweather is so talented that he could probably beat almost anyone without doping, but why take the risk when the chances of being caught are so low (if you do it properly)? Even if we forget about the advantages in recovery, training capacity and p4p strength that steroids will give a fighter, a simple cycle of EPO (or a more modern blood doping method) will automatically make the fighter significantly better in the latter rounds of a fight. It's one thing being a technically gifted boxer, but if your opponent is able to keep the gas going significantly longer in the latter rounds due to doping, it's going to be a struggle regardless of how good you are.
 
Revan said:
Meh, he isn't the fastest neither the strongest. What makes him the best is his technique and his 'boxing IQ' and those two aren't things that get increased by doping.

Considering that he always has asked for more doping testing, I really doubt that there is anything here.
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That would make it an even bigger shock when he has been so vocally about making the sport clean and doping free. On a sidenote, he does not do the VADA testing whereby they can test you on random days during the year, he does it with his good buddies at USADA on specific dates.
 
I thought this story was a con designed to get pac man a 'deserved' rematch.. provide a story for people to buy in to.
 
Revan said:
Meh, he isn't the fastest neither the strongest. What makes him the best is his technique and his 'boxing IQ' and those two aren't things that get increased by doping.

Considering that he always has asked for more doping testing, I really doubt that there is anything here.
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The ability to use those things after immense physical exertion is certainly increased if someone is doping.
 
The fact that he's all buddy buddy with USADA is no secret. He got busted for the IV thing and basically just said 'Well give me an exemption for it yeah?' And they obliged. The use of IV is a bit of a grey area anyway, it's only just now being introduced into MMA for example, and nearly every fighter who cuts a decent amount of weight uses one to rehydrate. Also don't ever be tricked into thinking an athlete wouldn't benefit from doping because their game 'isn't based around power or speed, but technique'. Every athlete benefits from doping, period.
 
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I suspect most of the top boxers are on something. I'd hate to be proven right though. :(

Floyd seems to be the worst of the lot. Goes on about wanting a level playing field. But in reality, he just wants a playing field where he's in control of everything, and holds all the advantages. Two guys from his stable have been caught doping in the past.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Would be crazy if this came to be true and punishment was given. First Silva (one of the greatest MMA fighters) has his legacy tarnished somewhat and now Mayweather, one of the elites in boxing, might have his legacy ruined.

Might have to move on from watching these sports and start watching bum fights in Ireland.
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That's harsh on the GAA.
 
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