"Marquee" signings vs "Potential" signings

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What type of signing do you prefer? Our only signing so far has arguably been a "potential" signing in Memphis, but strong vibes indicate that marquee names are now being targeted. With interest in Ramos and Schweinsteiger apparent.

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If they're world class players, I don't care. Signing someone just because of his profile would be retarded though.
 
Id rather see us sign the players we need.
 
Always prefer potential signings.
Agree. I prefer players to get to our team in the following order:

Locals through youth setup > Recruited players through youth setup > Young first team signings > Star signings

That's not to say I don't get excited by marquee signings though, but my preference has always been the same.
 
I generally prefer the potential ones but more the ones with genuine potential to be top players. No one likes signings like obertan and Eric djemba djemba djemba.
 
Best when they're both. An example being Neymar or - to a lesser extent - Hazard. The in-demand young players who are already very good despite being young, and should only get better.
I don't really get excited by the likes of Zaha and Powell (with no top flight/international experience whatsoever), and I usually expect them to be underwhelming and barely play.
 
For me it depends on what we have currently in the team, if the team is filled with potential then I think that established or marquee players are a priority, but if the team is solid and functioning at a high level then signing potential should be the goal.
 
Depends on the state of the squad so what's most suitable changes as well. Right now I'd prefer Schneiderlin to Schweinsteiger (try saying that 5 times faster) but I'm torn between Otamendi and Ramos.
 
I think buying young hungry players are always the best signings. I'm always skeptical of buying older players who have been great in other leagues, they really work out well in the premiership.
 
For me it depends on what we have currently in the team, if the team is filled with potential then I think that established or marquee players are a priority, but if the team is solid and functioning at a high level then signing potential should be the goal.

This. The key is what we have in the team. Right now we have a lot of potential and not many stars. Most of our players wont make it at other big clubs in UCL for example. Though I will be pissed off if we end up with panic buys because we got strung along by big name players seeking contracts
 
I want us to sign guys who are hungry for success, want to establish themselves at a higher level and consider Manchester United as the pinnacle of their career so far. I do not want us to sign players who could view joining Manchester United as a possible step down. So potential signings all the way.
 
Both are acceptable, it depends on what we have at the time.

A good example is our present CB situation. There's reason for optimism with Smalling and Jones but they're not where we need them to be yet and a top class, experienced player like Ramos makes more sense than adding a player like Stones right now.
 
We need a new spine to the team, therefore 'potential' is the wrong option at the moment. Marquee is a bit extreme, should be 'Proven'.

All media targets in Ramos, Schweinsteiger, Otamendi, and Schneiderlin are Proven, hardly Marquee. They would all walk into the team and be the backbone. Be nice to get a proven striker as well.
 
Easily potential signings. Because even with marquee signings there is a great chance they simply don't perform as good as they did in the other team or just simply lost some of their ability (Di Maria, Özil, Falcao, Torres just to name a few recent examples.) You can make the same mistake with buying potential (Götze, Lamela spring to my mind) but atleast they have some resell value and you didn't expect them to carry their team right away anyway.

That's why I loved the Depay transfer. Potential to greatness, Goodish price and seems to be hungry for trophies. I do agree that we need a world class CB, but I simply don't think that Ramos will be medium/long term the right guy and that's what we need to build for.
 
We need a new spine to the team, therefore 'potential' is the wrong option at the moment. Marquee is a bit extreme, should be 'Proven'.

All media targets in Ramos, Schweinsteiger, Otamendi, and Schneiderlin are Proven, hardly Marquee. They would all walk into the team and be the backbone. Be nice to get a proven striker as well.

Ramos has literally won everything a European footballer can win and he has made the World Team of the Year 5 times. Schweinsteiger has won everything but, the Euros and he has made the European Team of the Year in the past. How are they not marquee?
 
Marquee signings rather assume the player will continue to perform at the same level to justify the transfer fee and ridiculous wages. I prefer to bring in talented young players and let them develop over time.
 
Our best signings have been 'potential' signings right? Ronaldo, Rooney, Carrick, De Gea. To an extent Rio and RvN. Not necessarily cheap, but young hungry players who haven't played at the top top level. They stay longer, have better resale value and have more of an affinity for the club on the whole.
 
I'd much prefer Otamendi and Schneiderlin to Ramos and Schweinsteiger right now if that's the main question here because we need a core of the team for future, not stop gap solutions. I can see why van Gaal would rather opt for the latter (more experience, better chance of immediate impact, LvG is here only for two more years).
 
At the moment we need some experience in our team, players that have played at the highest level of competition at club and international level. Usually if you want experience that falls into the marquee signing bracket.

We've got one potential signing as it is, we could do with 2 or 3 marquee signings I reckon this summer to mix in with the potential players we already have (Shaw, Blind, Herrera, Depay).
 
Mix and match just like Ferguson's days. Lot of potential signings looking at long term but also throw in experience and marquee signings when needed.
 
Really depends on the player coming in. If they are the right fit, that is all that matters. Falcao is/was recognised as world class, just didn't work for us.

In general. Potential signings work more. Still learning their trade and more adaptable. They are fit around a current team structure, compared to the usual "world class" player getting a team sculpted around them.
 
I am most excited by signings involving young players that look destined to reach the top.
 
I like them both and they both have their uses. We've had this transitional period and sadly the names haven't quite worked out for us. Some great players and it's just not happened for them. Having said that, it shows ambition which draws interest. If you lower your expectation and it not quite work out? Then you risk falling further behind.
 
Both, depending on positions at Center back I would be more exited if a top draw player likeSergio Ramos, Jaap Stam when we singed him, then a potential player like stones, Laporte. Same with Center mids, but for full backs and wingers I rather young exiting players.

Also depends on where you are at we trying to get to the top of the mountain so "marquee" signings are needed more, but when you're at the top potential signings are better
 
Ramos has literally won everything a European footballer can win and he has made the World Team of the Year 5 times. Schweinsteiger has won everything but, the Euros and he has made the European Team of the Year in the past. How are they not marquee?
I get where you are coming from, but for me Schweinsteiger at his prime, I would agree is Marquee, not when he is in the twilight of his career. Ramos, even though I think he is a beast, for me anyway doesn't get the juices flowing. Would be a really good buy, if it materializes. However, when I heard about ADM and Falcao I thought wow. Defenders don't usual have the same effect.
 
Both, depending on positions at Center back I would be more exited if a top draw player likeSergio Ramos, Jaap Stam when we singed him, then a potential player like stones, Laporte. Same with Center mids, but for full backs and wingers I rather young exiting players.

Also depends on where you are at we trying to get to the top of the mountain so "marquee" signings are needed more, but when you're at the top potential signings are better

Stam was not that proven when we signed him. He was only proven in Holland at the time but, the Dutch league was much stronger back then I should point out. And it is worth pointing out Ramos the player everyone is dying for us to sign was bought by Real Madrid when he was a 19 year old with only one full season of senior Football to his name.
 
I think we should stick to northern Europeans regardless of anything else, either way I prefer signings I have never heard of out of the blue, that way I can't be disappointed even when they are dire like Bebe... but I can be stoked when they turn out well like Vidic
 
Don't have a preference for either, ideally you'd like to have a balance between the two, plus both options depend on circumstances to a large degree.

If you have some sort of stability in management, experienced players who can guide the young ones, and the basic framework of the team in place - introducing potential type signings becomes relatively easier because the burden of expectations doesn't always fall directly on their shoulders. Too much pressure for performing at a young age at one of the biggest clubs in the world can often have an adverse effect on a player's long term development. eg. We had Fergie in the dugout, plus the likes of Gary Neville, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs, Ruud Van Nistelrooy, Roy Keane when Wayne Rooney or Cristiano Ronaldo were signed. A whole lot of young/ potential type players makes sense in theory, and you hope they'll grow up and shine together, but there's always a decent chance that they'll wilt under pressure/ fail to live up to their potential/ be too inconsistent to win anything of significance in the short of even medium term. Arsenal's teams during the mid-late 2000s and the early 2010s under Wenger (didn't replace the top level experience and leadership ability Vieira, Ljungberg, Pires, Campbell, Lehmann; later Henry) are a decent example of that.

If the team is still very much a work in progress, lacks experience in key areas, doesn't have a lot of accomplished leaders, doesn't really have a backbone to speak of - like the current United team, then starting off by signing a few veterans can have a very positive impact. They can define the blue-print for the other players, come in and start on day one, provide some steadying influence in a transient side (especially when the chips are down), and help the young ones mature at a reasonable rate. A lot of supporters scoff at the idea of signing big name players like Ramos or even Schweinsteiger (still a really good footballer), but often underestimate the importance of leadership, big-time experience, and winning mentality - which is vital for building a successful culture both on and off he football pitch. You look at our team and how many players have been key components in title winning sides ? How many have played at a high level in the latter stages of the European Cup ? How many are the leaders of men that can drag the others with them ? There's a massive vacuum left by the departure of Neville, Scholes, Giggs, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra and most of all Fergie within the space of 3 seasons; and we haven't adequately compensated for that.
 
A mixture would be good. Some marquees to fix the more immediate problems whilst bringing in potentials that will make the positions there own with time. Potential players will only benefit from having a strong core in the team... leaders, warriors, experienced players etc...
 
I want headliners only if they improve the team and are bought at decent prices/wages. Don't want us to go all Madrid and get the latest Galatico, even at the expense of disrupting a solid unit.

I would usually prefer we buy younger players with potential but at the moment we can do with at least one player of proven quality in defense, midfield and attack. Though, I would prefer them at the right age - like Suarez for Barca or Cesc for Chelsea.
 
It seems clear now that Van Gaal is looking to bring in players who are proven at the top level. Makes sense as he is only likely to be here a few years and wants to make his mark in what may well be his last big job.
 
All other things being equal then obviously it's better to go with the young player who is still improving than the old player who can only decline.
 
I prefer young signings.

Im finding it a bit hard to get excited by some of these marquee players when they look like they are past their best and into their phase of decline, even if it is gradual. Especially when you are forking out £30K, £40K or whatever. You just wonder how many years you are going to get for that investment, and how much time they are going to be spending injured with their old, creaking bones.

Im all for getting the best players in the world but cant we get them when they are 24 or 25, on the way up, rather than 4 years later when they are on the way back down. Sure, you might get 3 or 4 good years out of them still, but its more of a lottery. And even the best 34 year olds are not the players they once were.
 
I think we need to inject a bit more quality into the squad, still too many ok/decent players. However i am really not keen on 29/30 year old "marquee" transfers who have never played in the league before.

As a strategy for the team going forward i would prefer to be signing Shaw+Herrera rather than DiMaria.
 
Prefer both. Let's say for every 2 potentials we've bought accompany by 1 marquee.