Marcus Rashford (out)

USREDEVIL said:
This must be a humbling experience for Marcus. And it's all his fault. If he get's his shit together i'll still support him
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I agree to an extent, I don't hate the lad. I just worry that part of him "not being arsed" is that he's far more crocked than we actually know and he can't play with the required intensity at this level anymore.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
I agree to an extent, I don't hate the lad. I just worry that part of him "not being arsed" is that he's far more crocked than we actually know and he can't play with the required intensity at this level anymore.
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Yeah still say he hasn't been the same since trying to play with that back injury 5 years ago
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
Yet so many people are outraged at the prospect of us selling Garnacho. This kind of sentimentality is exactly why we couldn't sell Januzaj and Rashford at their peak value.
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My frustration is more with that money we wasted in those couple of seasons under Ten Hag putting us in this desperate financial position
 
Doracle said:
Doesn’t that depend on the club as well though? Rashford might be perfectly happy to go on loan but the club wants a significant fee or a substantial contribution towards wages (or is just hoping for a sale instead). We don’t really know what the stumbling block is.
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Stumbling block is Rashford’s wages. Nobody wants to take on it even on a loan.
 
We sell McTominay and Elanga and let this donkey stay on these wages, I don't ever want to see him play for the United first team again.
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
Yet so many people are outraged at the prospect of us selling Garnacho. This kind of sentimentality is exactly why we couldn't sell Januzaj and Rashford at their peak value.
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Fans would riot if we put him for sale after that purple patchs half season. Took us 2 long years of Rashford stinking up the place to make him sellable in the fans eye. A poster boy, great PR, feeds the kids, 20 goal season.

We sold Beckham but it was under Sir Alex who had placate himself as the Godfather. No manager suggesting selling Rashford at that time would be entertained.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Have a look at Garnacho thread.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah still say he hasn't been the same since trying to play with that back injury 5 years ago
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I don't think it's even that far back, I think it was when he broke up with his long-term girlfriend it all just went to shit. Like his head just became less focused on the game and more focused on partying
 
Sky1981 said:
Fans would riot if we put him for sale after that purple patchs half season. Took us 2 long years of Rashford stinking up the place to make him sellable in the fans eye. A poster boy, great PR, feeds the kids, 20 goal season.

We sold Beckham but it was under Sir Alex who had placate himself as the Godfather. No manager suggesting selling Rashford at that time would be entertained.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Have a look at Garnacho thread.
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I wish fans would "riot" that strongly during the Glazers's years instead of just meekly watching the Glazers destroy our club.
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
Yet so many people are outraged at the prospect of us selling Garnacho. This kind of sentimentality is exactly why we couldn't sell Januzaj and Rashford at their peak value.
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That’s silly logic. You don’t sell your best players unless you are a club who work on that revenue model, like a Brighton or Dortmund. The issue is the best players not kicking on.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
I agree to an extent, I don't hate the lad. I just worry that part of him "not being arsed" is that he's far more crocked than we actually know and he can't play with the required intensity at this level anymore.
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Which is fine if true. We had players like Cavani, Zlatan and other 30+ players and they could still contribute. The problem is he didnt even bother to run and looked uninterested most of the time. So is it his physique or his heart? Because if its his heart no one can change it but himself. If its the other one a decent manager can manage his game time and he can still be an asset.
 
NK86 said:
That’s silly logic. You don’t sell your best players unless you are a club who work on that revenue model, like a Brighton or Dortmund. The issue is the best players not kicking on.
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Liverpool sold their best player in Coutinho because it was at the right time and they had a plan to re-invest that.

Real Madrid sold Ronaldo when he was still a top-2 player in the world. Because it was the right time.

We never sell our best player, not because it's not the right time, but due to sentimentality.

And we right now can only aspire to play the type of football Dortmund and Brighton play, mind you.
 
Sky1981 said:
Fans would riot if we put him for sale after that purple patchs half season. Took us 2 long years of Rashford stinking up the place to make him sellable in the fans eye. A poster boy, great PR, feeds the kids, 20 goal season.

We sold Beckham but it was under Sir Alex who had placate himself as the Godfather. No manager suggesting selling Rashford at that time would be entertained.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Have a look at Garnacho thread.
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Oh give me a break. We didn't riot when Beckham, Ronaldo and RVN were sold and they were 10 times better then prime Rashford. Fans aren't rioting with SJR squeezing every penny out of them so he can hire/fire sporting directors and managers while concurrently paying interest on the Glazers debt. I bet local lad can get away with melting the trinity statue down, put one with Souness, Carragher and Gerrard instead and force fans to pay 100 pounds each to adore it while their on their way to watch the game.
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
Yet so many people are outraged at the prospect of us selling Garnacho. This kind of sentimentality is exactly why we couldn't sell Januzaj and Rashford at their peak value.
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It was utterly stupid. Most of us said it was a purple patch unlikely to be repeated and we should've cashed in. The PR around this club holds far too much power.
 
Sky1981 said:
Fans would riot if we put him for sale after that purple patchs half season. Took us 2 long years of Rashford stinking up the place to make him sellable in the fans eye. A poster boy, great PR, feeds the kids, 20 goal season.

We sold Beckham but it was under Sir Alex who had placate himself as the Godfather. No manager suggesting selling Rashford at that time would be entertained.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Have a look at Garnacho thread.
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There might've been a vocal minority but the majority either wouldn't have cared or would've agreed.

And the club shouldn't listen to the vocal minority of Rashford FC/Martial FC/Whoever FC.
 
devilish said:
Oh give me a break. We didn't riot when Beckham, Ronaldo and RVN were sold and they were 10 times better then prime Rashford. Fans aren't rioting with SJR squeezing every penny out of them so he can hire/fire sporting directors and managers while concurrently paying interest on the Glazers debt. I bet local lad can get away with melting the trinity statue down, put one with Souness, Carragher and Gerrard instead and force fans to pay 100 pounds each to adore it while their on their way to watch the game.
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When those players were sold, we had Sir Alex and a team full of winners, our performances never dipped as a result.

If the team had been in 8th after selling beckham, there would have been the same cries.

There is a lot of revisionism going on here, when he hit that 30 goal season, he wasn't just part of the team. Without his goals we'd have finished in the bottom half of the table. The idea you could, or should, sell your only reliable attacking threat at that point is just laughable. And that is what he was at the end of that season. IN fact, we have still never replaced his goals, despite spending around 200 million on attackers in antony, rasmus and zirkzee.
 
A week is a long time in the transfer window. I think he will go as any interested parties will be waiting until the last minute to get the best possible deal on his wages, i.e. they know we are desperate to get rid.

We will probably end up paying the bulk of his wages for the duration of the loan and revisit this all in the summer.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
When those players were sold, we had Sir Alex and a team full of winners, our performances never dipped as a result.

If the team had been in 8th after selling beckham, there would have been the same cries.

There is a lot of revisionism going on here, when he hit that 30 goal season, he wasn't just part of the team. Without his goals we'd have finished in the bottom half of the table. The idea you could, or should, sell your only reliable attacking threat at that point is just laughable. And that is what he was at the end of that season. IN fact, we have still never replaced his goals, despite spending around 200 million on attackers in antony, rasmus and zirkzee.
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We are a mess, tickets are going to the roof because the man who laid his bed with the Glazers and who keeps hiring/giving contract extension and then sacking them said he's necessary and there are rumours of us selling Garnacho to a rival with yet another Chelsea crock going the other way. Where are the riots? Where are the riots when SAF was sacked, funds for charities got cut down or the roof leaked with OT being infested by rats? We are a bunch of sheep

I'll tell you if we produced a good reason why Rashford was sold then fans would understand. We sold Ronaldo and then we invested the money on Valencia for god sake. Fans didn't complain at all
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
Yet so many people are outraged at the prospect of us selling Garnacho. This kind of sentimentality is exactly why we couldn't sell Januzaj and Rashford at their peak value.
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Januzaj's peak value was about 2 months after he first got picked in the first team.

Rashford's peak value was probably around the time he was scoring 30 goals for us, which, unless we were deliberately trying to be a crap football team, is a reason NOT to sell a player.

I'm not sure selling players the second they are good is a great strategy for building a team tbh.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Because we kept winning.
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Fans also definitely did complain, a lot, for many years.

Imagine if we'd sold Ronaldo and then finished 13th.

Also, he did kind of desperately want to leave, and we got a world record fee for him.

Otherwise though it's a very relevant and not at all inaccurate comparison
 
Berbaclass said:
Could he be forced to go to Turkey/Saudi after our window closes if he doesn't get a move?
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Rashford still harbours hope for an England call up at the World Cup. Saudi/Turkiye isn’t an option for him, he’s made that clear.

The sides he want, don’t want him. It’s eerily similar to Ronaldo’s departure, except Ronaldo was about 10 years older and had to relent.
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
Yet so many people are outraged at the prospect of us selling Garnacho. This kind of sentimentality is exactly why we couldn't sell Januzaj and Rashford at their peak value.
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People are outraged because it's an absolutely mental idea. You talk about peak value like it's black and white, no one knew where Januzaj/Rashford or for that matter Garnacho would end up. It's generally not a good idea to flog emerging talents. There is the right time to sell a player, it's not when they're young and up and coming unless they show to be a bad egg or not good enough.
 
devilish said:
We are a mess, tickets are going to the roof because the man who laid his bed with the Glazers and who keeps hiring/giving contract extension and then sacking them said he's necessary and there are rumours of us selling Garnacho to a rival with yet another Chelsea crock going the other way. Where are the riots? Where are the riots when SAF was sacked, funds for charities got cut down or the roof leaked with OT being infested by rats? We are a bunch of sheep

I'll tell you if we produced a good reason why Rashford was sold then fans would understand. We sold Ronaldo and then we invested the money on Valencia for god sake. Fans didn't complain at all
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Valencia was player of the year in his first season, he was a beast.

Besides, realistically who are you going to replace Ronaldo with?
 
Alvaro Maestre said:
He doesn't even care about the England team, it looks like he's more focused about getting a gf.
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imagine having a job where you can do f all for years on end & receiving well over 50m pounds for it. This is like going to Saoudi while living close to family and friends. A non motivated footballers wet dream.
 
golden_blunder said:
Besides, realistically who are you going to replace Ronaldo with?
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We could have asked Madrid for Robben to sweeten things up.
We also got Owen as a striker option in the same summer that Benzema and Huntelaar were moving.
We didn't get a midfielder in that same summer although Wesley Sneijder and Kaka were both moving.

That 2009 summer was a cursed and embarrassing one for us.
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
We could have asked Madrid for Robben to sweeten things up.
We also got Owen as a striker option in the same summer that Benzema was moving.
We didn't get a midfielder in that same summer although Wesley Sneijder and Kaka were both moving.

That 2009 summer was a cursed and embarrassing one for us.
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Valencia was a very good signing
 
golden_blunder said:
Valencia was a very good signing
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Good signing as a backup player. I would have no problem if we got Robben as Ronaldo's replacement, with Valencia as a solid backup.

Having Valencia as a sole replacement, is a clear downgrade. And we lost the league to Chelsea immediately right in that next season, after 3 consecutive years of winning it. Tells us all we need to know.
 
Think Everton would be a good fit for Rashfraud:

  1. North West club
  2. Doesn't have to up sticks too far
  3. Solid, no-nonsense manager
  4. Will get to play every week
  5. New stadium next season
  6. Pots of money from the t/o
 
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