Marcus Rashford (out)

Moriarty said:
Whose then? Is Ratcliffe telling RA who he can play and who he can't? On second thoughts, don't answer that. Nothing, but nothing would surprise me about United any more.
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I don't think it could necessarily be Ratcliffe, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone higher put the hammer down. But I'm pretty sure Amorim doesn't mind following that. I think Amorim is in a bind, if he brings him back and we start winning consistently then people will question him hard on why he was left out for so long and he doesn't need that distraction either. There are fans who aren't sold on Amorim yet, I still think this may have been too soon for him to join all the shit that comes as our manager. We basically need someone who will steady the ship and have solid results before someone like Amorim ,who's tactics are so different from the squad we have, comes in.

In any case I think Rashford will get loaned out on deadline day. The team doesn't need the extra distraction that comes with him and his entourage. And maybe a new challenge will wake him up from his off-field shit.
 
Moriarty said:
Whose then? Is Ratcliffe telling RA who he can play and who he can't? On second thoughts, don't answer that. Nothing, but nothing would surprise me about United any more.
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I mean it's probably something both Amorim and the club agree on, rather than something bring forced on him

But still, it's not a particularly rare occurrence. Like, take Osimhen. You think Conte was the one who didn't want him?
 
sleepehead said:
I don't think it could necessarily be Ratcliffe, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone higher put the hammer down. But I'm pretty sure Amorim doesn't mind following that. I think Amorim is in a bind, if he brings him back and we start winning consistently then people will question him hard on why he was left out for so long and he doesn't need that distraction either.
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Or the team doesn't win and Amorim gets sacked for disobeying his bosses
 
aeh1991 said:
Why didn't we sell him to PSG when there was an interest?
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Because just like how we kept Martial and Shaw around for years and kept relying on them to remain fit or kept Pogba and Lingard around for years thinking they’d progress we’re relying on Rashford to find form and replicate his goal output of his anomaly season instead of selling at his higher value points.
WPMUFC said:
"Every single manager has had problems with Rashford going back years and years" - Andy Mitten.

Finally a manager has said "this BS stops"
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Exactly this, others were scared to take on Rashford post Jose and indulged him to the point he thought he was untouchable and it took Amorim all of a couple of weeks to see through Rashford and his PR bollocks to see he’s an overindulged, unmotivated man child who’s more bothered about things off the pitch than on it even though on the pitch pays his wages and United gives him the lofty platform to have his standing.
 
I’m at the point he’s staying due to lack of interest and we will sell Garnacho. Having Rashford and Casemiro around in February is going to hurt.
Casemiro probably won’t play again all season unless we have many injuries, but Rashford must be reintegrated into the team. He’s definitely better in the CF role than Hojlund who should be pushed out on loan into the championship for the rest of the season.
 
soapythecat said:
I’m at the point he’s staying due to lack of interest and we will sell Garnacho. Having Rashford and Casemiro around in February is going to hurt.
Casemiro probably won’t play again all season unless we have many injuries, but Rashford must be reintegrated into the team. He’s definitely better in the CF role than Hojlund who should be pushed out on loan into the championship for the rest of the season.
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Is it really worth sidelining our two strikers for a few Rashford goals? There's a chance he reduces his value further and worse gets a long term injury then we're stuck paying his wages longer.

Perhaps there an argument to play him in the Europa league but I wouldn't play him in the prem again.
 
I think his PR team is wrong this time. Had he kept his mouth shut and insisted on '"I'm training hard and doing my best to get back to the team", the ball would have been on Amorim and the club. But since he admitted he didn't want to be here anymore, he basically agreed to people's opinion on him being lazy and uninterested. He's the only one at fault now.
 
tenpoless said:
I think his PR team is wrong this time. Had he kept his mouth shut and kept saying '"I'm training hard and doing my best to get back to the team", the ball would have been on Amorim and the club. But since he admitted he didn't want to be here anymore, he basically agreed to people's opinion on him being lazy and uninterested. He's the only one at fault now.
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It's not an opinion though, he is definitely lazy, prefers to sit on his behind in the stands than do effort to get back into the squad, even Sancho made a compromise and got back in. This guy is taking the money and not being professional.
 
If a move doesn't materialize before the deadline, which is looking very much like reality, then he'll be back in the squad for the FA Cup fixture against Leicester.

Rashford will win.
 
van Nistelrooy said:
If a move doesn't materialize before the deadline, which is looking very much like reality, then he'll be back in the squad for the FA Cup fixture against Leicester.

Rashford will win.
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I don't think he'll be back. Antony was on the bench and Garna playing even though these are almost certain exits now. Meanwhile Rashy was not in the squad since before the window opened. If Amorim does not want him hanging like a bad smell , he won't be in the matchday squad.
 
I don't think they can welcome Rashford back, if he doesn't go in this window they need to not select him the rest of the season so he knows he has to go.
 
Rashford apparently wants to get back in the England squad. Well that isn’t going to happen if he isn’t even in our match day squad. He should be pushing for a loan move to anywhere that will take him in the hope to discover some form.

It literally makes no sense for him to stay here for the rest of the season. He’ll still pick up his enormous salary while on loan and he can look for another club in the summer if he doesn’t like where he was loaned to. Especially if he performs well.
 
I don’t believe anything coming out of Rashford’s PR. I’m sure he’d love to be back in the England team but he doesn’t seem prepared to put any effort into making it happen.
 
edgecutter said:
Because he's pissed off the manager and Ineos don't want to pay 350k a week to someone who half arses his way around the pitch. How many games does this guy have to play before this sinks in?
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Maybe if we hadn't given him that stupid contract then could actually get money for him. Personally think we should have sold after that 30 goal season he had.
 
humdinger said:
Rashford apparently wants to get back in the England squad. Well that isn’t going to happen if he isn’t even in our match day squad. He should be pushing for a loan move to anywhere that will take him in the hope to discover some form.

It literally makes no sense for him to stay here for the rest of the season. He’ll still pick up his enormous salary while on loan and he can look for another club in the summer if he doesn’t like where he was loaned to. Especially if he performs well.
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Doesn’t that depend on the club as well though? Rashford might be perfectly happy to go on loan but the club wants a significant fee or a substantial contribution towards wages (or is just hoping for a sale instead). We don’t really know what the stumbling block is.
 
Doracle said:
Doesn’t that depend on the club as well though? Rashford might be perfectly happy to go on loan but the club wants a significant fee or a substantial contribution towards wages (or is just hoping for a sale instead). We don’t really know what the stumbling block is.
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Its pretty obvious what the stumbling block is. The grossly undeserved salary we gave him for no reason.
 
giorno said:
I mean it's probably something both Amorim and the club agree on, rather than something bring forced on him

But still, it's not a particularly rare occurrence. Like, take Osimhen. You think Conte was the one who didn't want him?
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I don't think Amorim has had long enough to really assess Rashford. He said himself that he'd only had a couple of training sessions with the squad before Rashford was dropped. Of course, we don't know what Rashford has said to the management or whether he has told them he wants out, except for that post about a new challenge.

I can't think of an instance where the United board has decided to ditch a player. Usually that is left to the manager but I stand to be corrected.
 
It's definitely not just about Amorim. I'd say it's more that he's been willing to do what others haven't and acted decisively having quickly concluded that Marcus is just not worth it < add your choice on attitude / motivation / effort / company kept and anything else > knowing the executive is backing him, I'd guess because they've decided his insane contract makes him a liability.

And at one level it should be simple from here. If he's serious about recovering any sort of reputation and getting back in the England picture for WC 2026, then he and his 'advisors' start to get real and accept the needs to lower his demands on pay, knowing that if it doesn't work out, he can quit, go to Saudi for a couple of seasons and then retire.

I'm increasingly thinking he's not a serious player, isn't engaged with reality, and that it might soon be all over at any proper level.
 
Dannn411 said:
Its pretty obvious what the stumbling block is. The grossly undeserved salary we gave him for no reason.
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Yes, I suspect that’s probably right. That was my point really - it’s not as simple as Rashford just being happy to go on loan. He can only go on loan if that salary is met on terms agreeable to the club, Rashford and United. I’m sure Rashford is happy to go to, say, Barcelona and Barcelona are happy to have him if he gets his full c. £250k salary and United pay 100% of it.
 
Just imagine there was a time when PSG would have paid a premium for Rashford. Now he’s kinda stuck and no one is willing to pay his wages, never mind a fee.
 
Moriarty said:
I don't think Amorim has had long enough to really assess Rashford. He said himself that he'd only had a couple of training sessions with the squad before Rashford was dropped. Of course, we don't know what Rashford has said to the management or whether he has told them he wants out, except for that post about a new challenge.

I can't think of an instance where the United board has decided to ditch a player. Usually that is left to the manager but I stand to be corrected.
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The unmentionable one was sent quick smart off to Spain and then France upon his return!
Sancho sent packing to the Dortmund, then given away to the Chavs.
The manager can recommend things, but ultimately it’s the board who decide.
 
I agree with other people his wages are the biggest stumbling block, plus our luck is rotten, the clubs interested are proper cheapskates (Dortmund and Barca). Another issue is his ego, the likes of Como and Westham are interested in him and are fairly rich and pay stupid money, but he does not want to go there.
 
I would've thought a 5 month loan to Saudi would be good. See how things are in the summer when European clubs are better positioned to make their moves.
 
redshaw said:
I would've thought a 5 month loan to Saudi would be good. See how things are in the summer when European clubs are better positioned to make their moves.
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They got to have a deal they can't refuse in the first place. They only want players with the right profile. Rashford is not one of those.

And they're rich. They dnt want charity or supposedly "here's our boy for 5 mths you should pay for his salary and thank us"

They're rich and they don't want second hand washed out player
 
Red_toad said:
The unmentionable one was sent quick smart off to Spain and then France upon his return!
Sancho sent packing to the Dortmund, then given away to the Chavs.
The manager can recommend things, but ultimately it’s the board who decide.
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Not really.
 
Has there ever been a transfer before where it's the selling club that pays the fee? We could be on to a world first here.
 
Moriarty said:
I don't think Amorim has had long enough to really assess Rashford. He said himself that he'd only had a couple of training sessions with the squad before Rashford was dropped. Of course, we don't know what Rashford has said to the management or whether he has told them he wants out, except for that post about a new challenge.

I can't think of an instance where the United board has decided to ditch a player. Usually that is left to the manager but I stand to be corrected.
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The thing that makes most sense is the suggestion that it’s to do with partying when he’s expected to be tucked up in bed. I don’t believe for a second that both he and Garnacho were dropped completely from the City game because of one poor training session.

If you lose a manager’s trust in your commitment, and potentially already have previous similar issues which cause the club management concern, that’s the type of thing which leads to you being excluded completely and put up for immediate sale. For all his faults, Rashford of this season is still a player who would easily make our squad and he hadn’t started badly under Amorim.
 
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