[crossy1686]

Depends on which way the wind is blowing on whatever day it is with our fans. Him and The big fella up top both took their chances well. I'm amazed at how well Ruben and Co are working with the players and playing them to their strengths and keeping a system. ETH had me thinking it wasn't possible.

He did this to a lot of our fans to be honest. If you ask this forum if these players were good enough for this kind of result or performance 90% would have said it was beyond them. The truth is that a bad manager can bring everyone down to their level, this is why managers are the first to go in this game.

You look at our players and they’ve won trophies and finished as high as second place before now. They have it in them, they just need the right coach, or a coach that hasn’t been found out, to lead them to it.

 

[Marwood]

This is all he needs to do. Nobody is expecting him to beat 4 players or be a creative hub.

Just be at the sharp end, keep it simple, get some goals.

 

[crossy1686]

This is all he needs to do. Nobody is expecting him to beat 4 players or be a creative hub.

Just be at the sharp end, keep it simple, get some goals.

It’s easy when he’s being used correctly though. He’s been mismanaged for about 2 seasons

 

[The Mitcher]

He did this to a lot of our fans to be honest. If you ask this forum if these players were good enough for this kind of result or performance 90% would have said it was beyond them. The truth is that a bad manager can bring everyone down to their level, this is why managers are the first to go in this game.

You look at our players and they’ve won trophies and finished as high as second place before now. They have it in them, they just need the right coach, or a coach that hasn’t been found out, to lead them to it.

I agree, though half of that team that finished second under Ole are now gone.

 

[Posh Red]

This is all he needs to do. Nobody is expecting him to beat 4 players or be a creative hub.

Just be at the sharp end, keep it simple, get some goals.

In his time at the club, I can’t think of a period of time where United were playing well, but Rashford wasn’t scoring/contributing fairly regularly. Can anyone think of any examples?

 

[Martial'sEmergingSmile]

Even pointing out that the player has suffered a serious life changing back injury triggers them

The serious life changing back injury was a Pars Fracture. So common that 1 in every 5 athletes experience it. For specific sports - football is one of them - that number goes up to 1 in 4.

From John Hopkins.

Pars Fractures don’t always have symptoms. When it does, the only symptom is usually back pain. The pain often gets worse with activity and sport, and is more notable when bending backward. Generally, the pain doesn’t interfere with everyday activities.

Being human and walking upright is the most basic risk factor for spondylolysis. Certain sports that involve excessive or repetitive bending backward may increase the risk of spondylolysis. Examples include gymnastics, football and soccer.

With conservative treatment the vast majority of patients will make a full recovery within 6-8 weeks, although severe cases may require up to 6 months to achieve full resolution of symptoms

On a pure numbers basis, it's likely that at least 6 or 7 of the squad have had it at some point. Lindelof played through longstanding back issues in 2020/21, Hojlund had a back problem when he arrived (which Andy Mitten said was a Pars Fracture).

The fact that it's still brought up as one of the many rotating Schrodinger's Rashy problems is silly. (He's playing badly > "It's his back injury. He's never recovered. He's lost speed. He can't compete physically anymore; that's why he's not pressing or competing for duels. He plays well > "......uhhh....he's actually been playing well this whole time. Sell him? You're crazy. He's 27, peaking, it's not like he has a chronic injury or something")

 

[Marwood]

It’s easy when he’s being used correctly though. He’s been mismanaged for about 2 seasons

Possibly yeah but he's mismanaged himself as well. Forgotten what he's good at, what he's not good at. He's wanted to be a player he isn't. Wants too many touches, too much time on the ball. Hopefully under Amorim he gets back to basics, narrows his game to his strengths. Decent signs so far.

In his time at the club, I can’t think of a period of time where United were playing well, but Rashford wasn’t scoring/contributing fairly regularly. Can anyone think of any examples?

He was poor second half of 20/21 season culminating in an awful Euro Lesgue final. Just average for half a season before the world cup.

But if your main attacking threat isn't firing its likely the team will struggle when the supporting cast aren't all that.

 

[sepulturite]

It goes both ways, though, to be fair. That same poster has used phrases like ‘Rashford Defence League’ in the past. It’s really not helpful and just adds to the toxicity on the forum.

He clearly wasn't referring to me, but thanks for thinking of me anyway.

 

[KjaAnd]

Credit where it’s due. He played with more intensity and desire today - and look what happened, he bagged a couple of goals. I know the first one took a big deflection but it was a nice shot headed for the goal post.

I still believe he’s better on the left and if his intensity drops agains, he should be benched instantly, but hopefully he will seek to replicate today’s performance going forward.

 

[#07]

Good to see Marcus getting goals today and striking the ball with proper belief again. The competition for those #10 positions off the striker is going to be something fierce.

 

[Drainy]

The serious life changing back injury was a Pars Fracture. So common that 1 in every 5 athletes experience it. For specific sports - football is one of them - that number goes up to 1 in 4.

From John Hopkins.





On a pure numbers basis, it's likely that at least 6 or 7 of the squad have had it at some point. Lindelof played through longstanding back issues in 2020/21, Hojlund had a back problem when he arrived (which Andy Mitten said was a Pars Fracture).

The fact that it's still brought up as one of the many rotating Schrodinger's Rashy problems is silly. (He's playing badly > "It's his back injury. He's never recovered. He's lost speed. He can't compete physically anymore; that's why he's not pressing or competing for duels. He plays well > "......uhhh....he's actually been playing well this whole time. Sell him? You're crazy. He's 27, peaking, it's not like he has a chronic injury or something")

It was a double stress fracture that required major surgery with screws into his spine.

I'm sure 1 in 4 players have had that..

 

[Lyng]

It’s easy when he’s being used correctly though. He’s been mismanaged for about 2 seasons

Exactly. It's not like he was the only one who looked shit under Ten Hag

 

[afrocentricity]

Even pointing out that the player has suffered a serious life changing back injury triggers them

Seems to be some compulsion a few posters have. Even the praise is heavily caveated. Distinct lack of self awareness too!

"why won't you let us be negative and make shit up?"

"defending our players is toxic guys"

 

[Drainy]

 

[Posh Red]

I’ve just opened the Caf and not seen his thread on the first page for the first time in ages

 

[AndyMUFC]

Good stuff today. To be honest it's just refreshing to see him in a different position rather than running into players on the left wing.

Playing him as a 10 in this system might be the way forward. Gets him closer to goal, closer to the other forward players and allows him to run in behind without having to hold the ball up.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

allows him to run in behind without having to hold the ball up.

It's so refreshing to see this for me. He and probably Garnacho are the only ones capable of doing this effectively, it might not be as sexy as dribbling past players or playing a great pass but this is something that genuinely terrifies defenders and makes us less predictable.

 

[santeria13]

Seems to be some compulsion a few posters have. Even the praise is heavily caveated. Distinct lack of self awareness too!

"why won't you let us be negative and make shit up?"

"defending our players is toxic guys"

How is saying I think he was really good today and I hope he continues the form, whilst also acknowledging how shit he has been and also keeping in mind the clear lack of effort in the past 70 odd games, toxic?

I would love for him to continue this form and am rooting for him. I just found it ridiculous a lot of people came out the shadows and were shaming people for criticising him while his attitude stank and he was playing bad.

 

[crossy1686]

In his time at the club, I can’t think of a period of time where United were playing well, but Rashford wasn’t scoring/contributing fairly regularly. Can anyone think of any examples?

Because it doesn't exist, Bruno was probably the only one putting in good performances when we were collectively shit and even then he was inconsistent. Our fans love to turn on the players though, 26 years of Fergie has damaged any reasoning or questioning when it comes to the managers ability to manage.

 

[Alemar]

Against Arsenal, we will probably see a Garnacho - Rasmus - Mount attack (with Bruno pivot), but Marcus will come off the bench. Rotation to keep high intensity for the time being

 

[crossy1686]

Against Arsenal, we will probably see a Garnacho - Rasmus - Mount attack (with Bruno pivot), but Marcus will come off the bench. Rotation to keep high intensity for the time being

Why would you drop a player that's scoring for fun? Ten Hag got loads of shit for that, and rightly. He's finding the net and growing in confidence. Start him and let Hojlund come on and run them ragged in the last half an hour. Arsenal will be more worried about Rashford than they will anyone else.

 

[Alemar]

Why would you drop a player that's scoring for fun?

Not drop - rotate. Mount will give high intensity in the first half, and Rashford comes in the second half against more tired defenders and hopefully scores

 

[crossy1686]

Not drop - rotate. Mount will give high intensity in the first half, and Rashford comes in the second half against more tired defenders and hopefully scores

I'm not sure the lad that scored two goals today and was a menace will see that as rotation, and you don't rotate a goal scoring forward anyway. You 'rotate' them when they're cold and snatching at chances. He's our best forward and he should start against Arsenal, the rest of the lads who aren't scoring need to earn the right to start games.

 

[Posh Red]

I'm not sure the lad that scored two goals today and was a menace will see that as rotation, and you don't rotate a goal scoring forward anyway. You 'rotate' them when they're cold and snatching at chances. He's our best forward and he should start against Arsenal, the rest of the lads who aren't scoring need to earn the right to start games.

In fairness, the manager did exactly that, today, by rotating a player that scored two goals midweek.

 

[M Bison]

Against Arsenal, we will probably see a Garnacho - Rasmus - Mount attack (with Bruno pivot), but Marcus will come off the bench. Rotation to keep high intensity for the time being

Be gobsmacked if that’s the case, firmly expect Rashford to start.

 

[Alemar]

Be gobsmacked if that’s the case, firmly expect Rashford to start.

Still such discussions are a step forward. For years, we’ve been discussing who should start due to being less shit - and now we have positive competition, with several players scoring and assisting

 

[Swiss_Red89]

Apparently is back in a relationship with an absolute beauty of a women...her last IG Post is flutted with "Thank you for bringing Rashford back" comments

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

It's so refreshing to see this for me. He and probably Garnacho are the only ones capable of doing this effectively, it might not be as sexy as dribbling past players or playing a great pass but this is something that genuinely terrifies defenders and makes us less predictable.

It’s what Liverpool do time and time again, get the ball and send it up to their fast front 3 as quickly as possible. Nothing wrong on that.

 

[Escobar]

Overall much better, and he worked much harder off thr ball too. Only concern is pace, he seems to have lost it

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

I'm not getting carried away with any apparent uptick in form from Marcus, I've seen this movie before, numerous times.

If he becomes a useful squad option for Amorim, and Amorim is happy to work with him, fine. I don't ever want to see a return to the days where Marcus is deemed somehow undroppable because of his name, or his salary, or what he did 2 years ago.

 

[Cutch]

I'm not sure the lad that scored two goals today and was a menace will see that as rotation, and you don't rotate a goal scoring forward anyway. You 'rotate' them when they're cold and snatching at chances. He's our best forward and he should start against Arsenal, the rest of the lads who aren't scoring need to earn the right to start games.

Who are you referring to here?

 

[TheLittleOne]

He did this to a lot of our fans to be honest. If you ask this forum if these players were good enough for this kind of result or performance 90% would have said it was beyond them. The truth is that a bad manager can bring everyone down to their level, this is why managers are the first to go in this game.

You look at our players and they’ve won trophies and finished as high as second place before now. They have it in them, they just need the right coach, or a coach that hasn’t been found out, to lead them to it.

No, the reason the manager is the first to go is it's much cheaper and easier to replace him than half of the squad. And you can still hope that changing the manager will some how have a big positiv impact. That leads to player power and if they don't like the manager it's an almost impossible job. We had some pretty good managers after Fergie but it didnt work out at all.

 

[Baneofthegame]

Think he was a lot better second half, still think his off the ball defensive work is going to have to improve if he wants to nail down a first team place regularly.

 

[jem]

Seems to be some compulsion a few posters have. Even the praise is heavily caveated. Distinct lack of self awareness too!

"why won't you let us be negative and make shit up?"

"defending our players is toxic guys"

No caveats here - I've been a big critic, but that was early-2023 Rashford. Keep that up and things will be really looking up.

 

[crossy1686]

Who are you referring to here?

Garnacho, Antony

 

[crossy1686]

No, the reason the manager is the first to go is it's much cheaper and easier to replace him than half of the squad. And you can still hope that changing the manager will some how have a big positiv impact. That leads to player power and if they don't like the manager it's an almost impossible job. We had some pretty good managers after Fergie but it didnt work out at all.

As the manager, the people who work under you don’t have to like you and they don’t have to blindly do whatever you say either, especially if what you’re asking doesn’t work. That’s why it’s called management, you need to manage people otherwise you’ll get fired, and that isn’t because if player power or whatever other cliches you want to throw out, it’s just piss poor management.

And you can complain about players being self interested but what about the managers we’ve had post Fergie? They all only cared about their reputations more than the club or the players. Most of them wanted the entire squad sold at different points because the players didn’t believe in their bullshit systems anymore. Would you run through a brick wall for someone trying to bolster their CV at your expense while they’re failing miserably?

 

[TsuWave]

"I know my killer"

 

[Cutch]

Garnacho, Antony

Garnacho is our top scorer this season and Anthony isn't direct competition for Rashford, wing back is his only hope

 

[Lay]

Intrigued with his role under Amorim. Having players closer to him will help him as he really has lost some of that pace. Hope his form continues

 

[Grande]

I'm not sure the lad that scored two goals today and was a menace will see that as rotation, and you don't rotate a goal scoring forward anyway. You 'rotate' them when they're cold and snatching at chances. He's our best forward and he should start against Arsenal, the rest of the lads who aren't scoring need to earn the right to start games.

So Højlund scored two and assisted one and was dropped for two guys who weren’t scoring? Maybe that’s a good idea agter all?