[romufc]

This is utter nonsense isn’t it? He was excellent for 2 years or so under Ole (but ran into injury issues). He was then excellent again for a season under ETH. For his age, he was also performing at a very high level in the seasons before Ole.

His “bad” spells (unsurprisingly) have coincided with the club being at an extremely low ebb, with poor managers implementing bad tactics. If Amorim is competent and Rashford then starts delivering, then that’s a damning indictment on the previous regime NOT Rashford.

Of course, if Amorim gets us playing magical football and Rashford still isn’t producing then the position will be very different. We will obviously then look to exit him and invest in players who do fit the new system.

Nonsense? A player who has is 27 and been totally inconsistent.

Its funny you talk about his excellent period under Ole and Ten Hag, then talk about poor managers and bad tactics. So, could you point to his best season? it cant be under Ole or Ten Hag as they were poor managers.

Rashford has never had a full consistent season, its always been in purple patches.

 

[Rojofiam]

This is utter nonsense isn’t it? He was excellent for 2 years or so under Ole (but ran into injury issues). He was then excellent again for a season under ETH. For his age, he was also performing at a very high level in the seasons before Ole.

His “bad” spells (unsurprisingly) have coincided with the club being at an extremely low ebb, with poor managers implementing bad tactics. If Amorim is competent and Rashford then starts delivering, then that’s a damning indictment on the previous regime NOT Rashford.

Of course, if Amorim gets us playing magical football and Rashford still isn’t producing then the position will be very different. We will obviously then look to exit him and invest in players who do fit the new system.

On Redcafe, 3 very good seasons out of the last 5 are a "purple patch" when it comes to Rashford

And the two bad seasons are the Rangnick season and the 8th place season under ETH

 

[Doracle]

Nonsense? A player who has is 27 and been totally inconsistent.

Its funny you talk about his excellent period under Ole and Ten Hag, then talk about poor managers and bad tactics. So, could you point to his best season? it cant be under Ole or Ten Hag as they were poor managers.

Rashford has never had a full consistent season, its always been in purple patches.

I don’t follow this post. Ole clearly had us playing reasonably decent football for two years and then it all fell apart. ETH did a decent job for a season and then started utilising crazy tactics in season 2.

Rashford obviously doesn’t escape criticism for his attitude and performances at times. However, this idea that he’s barely played any decent football in his career bar a “couple of purple patches”
is utterly deluded. The reality is that, every time the team has played well, he has contributed a lot towards it and been one of our best players.

 

[VP89]

This is utter nonsense isn’t it? He was excellent for 2 years or so under Ole (but ran into injury issues). He was then excellent again for a season under ETH. For his age, he was also performing at a very high level in the seasons before Ole.

His “bad” spells (unsurprisingly) have coincided with the club being at an extremely low ebb, with poor managers implementing bad tactics. If Amorim is competent and Rashford then starts delivering, then that’s a damning indictment on the previous regime NOT Rashford.

Of course, if Amorim gets us playing magical football and Rashford still isn’t producing then the position will be very different. We will obviously then look to exit him and invest in players who do fit the new system.

On Redcafe, 3 very good seasons out of the last 5 are a "purple patch" when it comes to Rashford

And the two bad seasons are the Rangnick season and the 8th place season under ETH

He's just not that good. He's a player capable of having bursts of form and then too many lulls. A clear new problem with Rashford is that he was overly reliant on his speed, which appears to have diminished. He's not near as consistent on his dribbling as we thought, and is ultimately a confidence player.

His best PL season was 17 goals and that was what, 4 more than Harvey Barnes playing for a side who went on to get relegated. And if anyone recalls how that season went, he was often doing little in build-up or in general play but popped up with a goal. That's fine as long as he's scoring but when he's not its like carrying deadweight. Whereas say, Barnes, was a lot more polished in his game (it was a controversial opinion at the time but the players look lightyears apart now).

At his best he's just making the cut for top 4 as a standard because of his goals. At his worst he's not even a top 10 winger. This has always been the case, and his consistency is terrible. He's been OK to terrible in almost all of our last past 6 seasons, and standout in 2. That's not near enough consistency.

 

[romufc]

On Redcafe, 3 very good seasons out of the last 5 are a "purple patch" when it comes to Rashford

And the two bad seasons are the Rangnick season and the 8th place season under ETH

I am glad you commented on this... lets have a look at the last 5 years shall we? I am going to look at PL/CL games because thats where the best players are judged not EL or Carabao stat padding.

24/25 - exclude this season? or include? 1 PL goal.
23/24 - 7 PL goals and 3 PL assists
22/23 - 17 PL goals 5 PL assists - great season
21/22 - 4 PL goals 2 PL assists
20/21 - 11 PL goals 10 PL assists 6 CL goals.
19/20 - 17 PL goals 7 assists

So he has had 2 very good seasons in the last 5.5 years.

Now.. I will show you stats of a top class player Salah over the last 5 years just to show you what consistency is.. cause you think hit and miss seasons is consistency.

19/20 - 19 PL 10 Assists
20/21 - 22 goals 5 assists
21/22 - 23 goals 13 assists
22/23 - 19 goals 12 assists
23/24 - 18 goals 10 assists
24/25 - 8 goals 6 assists.

 

[afrocentricity]

Hopefully Amorim gets the best out of him and he goes on to be the player we always wanted him to be.... even if it does piss off some on here... especially if it does

 

[bosnian_red]

I think he could be a good 10 if he got his head down and learned what the boss wants. His passing isn't bad at all when he's not sulking.

He doesn't have the ability in tight spaces that you need in that role though. He needs space to be at his best and his biggest strength is off the ball runs in behind the defence. The only real role for that under Amorim is the #9.

 

[Rojofiam]

I am glad you commented on this... lets have a look at the last 5 years shall we? I am going to look at PL/CL games because thats where the best players are judged not EL or Carabao stat padding.

24/25 - exclude this season? or include? 1 PL goal.
23/24 - 7 PL goals and 3 PL assists
22/23 - 17 PL goals 5 PL assists - great season
21/22 - 4 PL goals 2 PL assists
20/21 - 11 PL goals 10 PL assists 6 CL goals.
19/20 - 17 PL goals 7 assists

So he has had 2 very good seasons in the last 5.5 years.

Now.. I will show you stats of a top class player Salah over the last 5 years just to show you what consistency is.. cause you think hit and miss seasons is consistency.

19/20 - 19 PL 10 Assists
20/21 - 22 goals 5 assists
21/22 - 23 goals 13 assists
22/23 - 19 goals 12 assists
23/24 - 18 goals 10 assists
24/25 - 8 goals 6 assists.

Why don't you show Mitoma's? That's one of the names mentioned on here last season that's a "much better player" than Rashford, with his grand total of 4 PL goals in his last 30 league appearances.

Salah is one of the best PL players ever and the greatest African player of all time. Yes, he's better than Rashford and why would I have any problem admitting that? He's also incredibly consistent, but let's not act like he didn't have the privilege of playing with much better teammates on average, under a much better manager than the ones we've had, and was deployed in tactical systems that actually maximize his strengths and give him the platform to be the best version of himself as a player? Rashford had the opposite things in the seasons that he gets criticised the most for: shit managers, shit tactical system.

Rashford's stats are pretty good if you consider the kind of teams he had to play in. Just your average top 4 contender Premier League sides, nothing more. He's never even had the opportunity to play in a title challenging team.

24 PL G/A at the age of 22 in 19/20, in 2655 minutes (29.5 full 90s worth of playtime) - for a team that was shit and that abysmal squad shouldn't have been able to make top 4, especially considering that Pogba was out for a long period and Bruno only joined in January

27 PL/CL G/A at the age of 23 in 20/21, in 3340 minutes (37.11 90s) - for probably our best post-Ferguson side that had the most free flowing attack, but was still only in the "title contention" for probably just a few weeks around January 2021, and still had massive holes in the squad

22 PL G/A at the age of 25 in 22/23, in 2891 minutes (32.12 90s) - Once again for a team that got top 4 comfortably but never really had a real chance to compete for the title

These numbers are good. Not sure why you brought them up as an argument against Rashford.

In those 3 good seasons, he has 73 PL/CL goal contributions in 8886 minutes, which is around 99 full matches worth of playtime. That's a big enough sample size IMO to conclude that it's not a purple patch. He wasn't on pens or free kicks for most of those matches as well.

Also, I'm not saying Rashford is faultless, but United have been a graveyard for 90% of the young talents we've brought in / promoted since Ferguson left. He's 27 now, and have the club, or any of his managers other than Ole really developed him since his teenage days? His potential ceiling when he was a kid, was way higher than the highest levels he's reached so far in those 3 good seasons we are discussing right now.

 

[TwoSheds]

He doesn't have the ability in tight spaces that you need in that role though. He needs space to be at his best and his biggest strength is off the ball runs in behind the defence. The only real role for that under Amorim is the #9.

Does Bruno have great ability in tight spaces? I dunno, let's see, I reckon he'll be given a go there at some point. He used to link up nicely with Martial and Pogba in central areas at times, I doubt he's lost that completely so it would be on the coach and him to unlock it.

 

[romufc]

Why don't you show Mitoma's? That's one of the names mentioned on here last season that's a "much better player" than Rashford, with his grand total of 4 PL goals in his last 30 league appearances.

Salah is one of the best PL players ever and the greatest African player of all time. Yes, he's better than Rashford and why would I have any problem admitting that? He's also incredibly consistent, but let's not act like he didn't have the privilege of playing with much better teammates on average, under a much better manager than the ones we've had, and was deployed in tactical systems that actually maximize his strengths and give him the platform to be the best version of himself as a player? Rashford had the opposite things in the seasons that he gets criticised the most for: shit managers, shit tactical system.

Rashford's stats are pretty good if you consider the kind of teams he had to play in. Just your average top 4 contender Premier League sides, nothing more. He's never even had the opportunity to play in a title challenging team.

24 PL G/A at the age of 22 in 19/20, in 2655 minutes (29.5 full 90s worth of playtime) - for a team that was shit and that abysmal squad shouldn't have been able to make top 4, especially considering that Pogba was out for a long period and Bruno only joined in January

27 PL/CL G/A at the age of 23 in 20/21, in 3340 minutes (37.11 90s) - for probably our best post-Ferguson side that had the most free flowing attack, but was still only in the "title contention" for probably just a few weeks around January 2021, and still had massive holes in the squad

22 PL G/A at the age of 25 in 22/23, in 2891 minutes (32.12 90s) - Once again for a team that got top 4 comfortably but never really had a real chance to compete for the title

These numbers are good. Not sure why you brought them up as an argument against Rashford.

In those 3 good seasons, he has 73 PL/CL goal contributions in 8886 minutes, which is around 99 full matches worth of playtime. That's a big enough sample size IMO to conclude that it's not a purple patch. He wasn't on pens or free kicks for most of those matches as well.

Also, I'm not saying Rashford is faultless, but United have been a graveyard for 90% of the young talents we've brought in / promoted since Ferguson left. He's 27 now, and have the club, or any of his managers other than Ole really developed him since his teenage days? His potential ceiling when he was a kid, was way higher than the highest levels he's reached so far in those 3 good seasons we are discussing right now.

I dont bring Mitoma because he has been a one season wonder... I dont want to bring one season wonders into this... there are alot of those. There was a time 18 months ago Brighton slapped a £100m price tag on Evan Ferguson based on 6 months form.

Whilst I agree that Rashford hasn't been bad, the problem I have with him is when he is good he is good but when he is bad he is just as bad.

How can you build on that? If he gave lets say 6/10 every game and the odd 9/10, then its different but he is either a 8/10 or a 3/10. That is my issue with Rashford.

Then you have his off the ball issues, he is really bad off the ball.

Now, I agree the team has not always been the best but if you say he needs coaching and he can do all those things thats fine, but I still wouldn't trust him next season as our main player.

I dont care which player does well, as long as Manutd win football games

 

[flameinthesun]

Trust nothing Rashford says.

 

[Rojofiam]

I dont bring Mitoma because he has been a one season wonder... I dont want to bring one season wonders into this... there are alot of those. There was a time 18 months ago Brighton slapped a £100m price tag on Evan Ferguson based on 6 months form.

Whilst I agree that Rashford hasn't been bad, the problem I have with him is when he is good he is good but when he is bad he is just as bad.

How can you build on that? If he gave lets say 6/10 every game and the odd 9/10, then its different but he is either a 8/10 or a 3/10. That is my issue with Rashford.

Then you have his off the ball issues, he is really bad off the ball.

Now, I agree the team has not always been the best but if you say he needs coaching and he can do all those things thats fine, but I still wouldn't trust him next season as our main player.

I dont care which player does well, as long as Manutd win football games

I'm not saying he will be our main player, but I'd like to wait and see him in a good team before drawing conclusions. I think he can still contribute a lot to United and be one of the best players in the Premier League.

I agree, though, that he's bad "off the ball", because he's not a good presser.

 

[Footyislife]

Why don't you show Mitoma's? That's one of the names mentioned on here last season that's a "much better player" than Rashford, with his grand total of 4 PL goals in his last 30 league appearances.

Salah is one of the best PL players ever and the greatest African player of all time. Yes, he's better than Rashford and why would I have any problem admitting that? He's also incredibly consistent, but let's not act like he didn't have the privilege of playing with much better teammates on average, under a much better manager than the ones we've had, and was deployed in tactical systems that actually maximize his strengths and give him the platform to be the best version of himself as a player? Rashford had the opposite things in the seasons that he gets criticised the most for: shit managers, shit tactical system.

Rashford's stats are pretty good if you consider the kind of teams he had to play in. Just your average top 4 contender Premier League sides, nothing more. He's never even had the opportunity to play in a title challenging team.

24 PL G/A at the age of 22 in 19/20, in 2655 minutes (29.5 full 90s worth of playtime) - for a team that was shit and that abysmal squad shouldn't have been able to make top 4, especially considering that Pogba was out for a long period and Bruno only joined in January

27 PL/CL G/A at the age of 23 in 20/21, in 3340 minutes (37.11 90s) - for probably our best post-Ferguson side that had the most free flowing attack, but was still only in the "title contention" for probably just a few weeks around January 2021, and still had massive holes in the squad

22 PL G/A at the age of 25 in 22/23, in 2891 minutes (32.12 90s) - Once again for a team that got top 4 comfortably but never really had a real chance to compete for the title

These numbers are good. Not sure why you brought them up as an argument against Rashford.

In those 3 good seasons, he has 73 PL/CL goal contributions in 8886 minutes, which is around 99 full matches worth of playtime. That's a big enough sample size IMO to conclude that it's not a purple patch. He wasn't on pens or free kicks for most of those matches as well.

Also, I'm not saying Rashford is faultless, but United have been a graveyard for 90% of the young talents we've brought in / promoted since Ferguson left. He's 27 now, and have the club, or any of his managers other than Ole really developed him since his teenage days? His potential ceiling when he was a kid, was way higher than the highest levels he's reached so far in those 3 good seasons we are discussing right now.

Does Rashford earn as much as Salah? Yes.

Is he half as good as Salah? No.

Is he a good teammate, works hard? Nope.

Statistically is he a EPL level player? No, bottom 20% of wingers.

Let's stop this discussion the question should be is he going to Saudi, China, or MLS. He's done at the top level. He just physically can't keep up and that's the only thing he really has was his pace which he's now lost. No wonder he looks terrible.

 

[CG1010]

If he plays mainly as #9 in the team, that's his time at United ending then. He can't lead the line in PL, in any system. Funnily enough, his biggest issue as a 9 is inability to press consistently which affects the entire team's press.

 

[bosnian_red]

Does Bruno have great ability in tight spaces? I dunno, let's see, I reckon he'll be given a go there at some point. He used to link up nicely with Martial and Pogba in central areas at times, I doubt he's lost that completely so it would be on the coach and him to unlock it.

Not really which is also why I think Bruno might transition to a deeper midfield role before long unless Amorim adapts his system a bit. Put him a bit deeper and he can use his passing range more and give him more space to work with. Bruno is also just a much better footballer than anyone else we have so he is a bit of an exception

 

[Rojofiam]

Does Rashford earn as much as Salah? Yes.

Is he half as good as Salah? No.

Is he a good teammate, works hard? Nope.

Statistically is he a EPL level player? No, bottom 20% of wingers.

Let's stop this discussion the question should be is he going to Saudi, China, or MLS. He's done at the top level. He just physically can't keep up and that's the only thing he really has was his pace which he's now lost. No wonder he looks terrible.

Thanks for the insight.

 

[romufc]

I'm not saying he will be our main player, but I'd like to wait and see him in a good team before drawing conclusions. I think he can still contribute a lot to United and be one of the best players in the Premier League.

I agree, though, that he's bad "off the ball", because he's not a good presser.

I dont think its just pressing. Its his concentration.. many times he just doesn't follow his full back / marker.

A top coach can get players pressing better by implementing a press where you have to make shorter runs, its when you press and get side shifted or a one two, he doesnt follow the runner which in a one v one pressing system creates overloads.

 

[romufc]

Statistically is he a EPL level player? No, bottom 20% of wingers.

Let's stop this discussion the question should be is he going to Saudi, China, or MLS. He's done at the top level. He just physically can't keep up and that's the only thing he really has was his pace which he's now lost. No wonder he looks terrible.

Although I am critical of Rashford this is just absurd.
@Rojofiam is this why you thought I was comparing him to Mitoma?

I mean he is clearly in the top 20% of wingers rather than bottom.

 

[Based Adnan]

Although I am critical of Rashford this is just absurd.
@Rojofiam is this why you thought I was comparing him to Mitoma?

I mean he is clearly in the top 20% of wingers rather than bottom.

This hasn't been the case for a while. The stats say otherwise and he's not exactly passing the eye test either. Most teams in the PL have a better left winger.

https://fbref.com/en/players/a1d5bd30/scout/365_m1/Marcus-Rashford-Scouting-Report

 

[romufc]

This hasn't been the case for a while. The stats say otherwise and he's not exactly passing the eye test either. Most teams in the PL have a better left winger.

https://fbref.com/en/players/a1d5bd30/scout/365_m1/Marcus-Rashford-Scouting-Report

erm firstly, the link shows top 5 leagues based on the last year.

But anyway I will entertain that.

Arsenal - Martinelli - Rashford is better
Chelsea - Sancho / Neto - Rashford better than both
City - Doku / Grealish - Rashford better than both
Liverpool - Gapko / Diaz - Better than Rashford
Spurs - Son - better than Rashford
Brighton - Mitoma - Rashford better
West Ham - Sommerville - Rashford better
Newcastle - Gordon - Probably better than Rashford
Wolves - I dont even know their RW so I will say Rashford is better
Forrest - Rashford is better than all their wingers
Everton - McNeil - Rashford better

I am not going to bother with the rest as Rashford is better than all the other team LW's.

 

[Based Adnan]

erm firstly, the link shows top 5 leagues based on the last year.

But anyway I will entertain that.

Arsenal - Martinelli - Rashford is better
Chelsea - Sancho / Neto - Rashford better than both
City - Doku / Grealish - Rashford better than both
Liverpool - Gapko / Diaz - Better than Rashford
Spurs - Son - better than Rashford
Brighton - Mitoma - Rashford better
West Ham - Sommerville - Rashford better
Newcastle - Gordon - Probably better than Rashford
Wolves - I dont even know their RW so I will say Rashford is better
Forrest - Rashford is better than all their wingers
Everton - McNeil - Rashford better

I am not going to bother with the rest as Rashford is better than all the other team LW's.

The PL is the strongest league so the fact his metrics line up so poorly even when the other leagues are included is more damning than if it was PL only.

Not sure how you can look at the metrics and watch him play then come up with that conclusion. Most of those guys are better than Rashford these days. McNeil is probably the worst on the list and has 3x as many goal involvements as Rashford (6-2) and is the main guy at Everton whenever I watch them.

 

[romufc]

The PL is the strongest league so the fact his metrics line up so poorly even when the other leagues are included is more damning than if it was PL only.

Not sure how you can look at the metrics and watch him play then come up with that conclusion. Most of those guys are better than Rashford these days. McNeil is probably the worst on the list and has 3x as many goal involvements as Rashford (6-2) and is the main guy at Everton whenever I watch them.

Oh brilliant I am glad you brought this up... so you are saying out of 20 PL clubs 15 clubs have better wingers than Rashford?

Can you name me the 15 or just going to say things like metrics without actually naming them?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Ah we’re at the stage where we get people claiming Rashford is better than nearly every other winger based purely on his name and despite him being not being a certain starter at a 13th placed PL team.

Average player. Elite salary. Get rid asap.

 

[Based Adnan]

Oh brilliant I am glad you brought this up... so you are saying out of 20 PL clubs 15 clubs have better wingers than Rashford?

Can you name me the 15 or just going to say things like metrics without actually naming them?

I said most teams ie 11 so not sure where you've randomly pulled 15 from. You've named most of them for me but i'll add a few limiting it to the left wing even though Rashford also plays on the right sometimes.

1. United - Garnacho
2. Arsenal - Martinelli / Trossard
3. Chelsea - Neto
4. City - Doku / Grealish
5. Liverpool - Gapko / Diaz
6. Spurs - Son
7. Brighton - Mitoma
8. West Ham - Kudus - Played on the left mostly this season
9. Newcastle - Gordon / Barnes
10. Villa - Ramsey - Not really a LW but has played there exclusively this season
11. Everton - McNeil

Honourable shoutout to Hwang at Wolves who had a very good season last year but has started poorly alongside Wolves. Probably on par with Rashford right now.

 

[Kush]

Trust nothing Rashford says.

Yeah, he is pandering to his new manager just like he once did with ETH. Nothing to read in his social media post.

 

[Doracle]

The PL is the strongest league so the fact his metrics line up so poorly even when the other leagues are included is more damning than if it was PL only.

Not sure how you can look at the metrics and watch him play then come up with that conclusion. Most of those guys are better than Rashford these days. McNeil is probably the worst on the list and has 3x as many goal involvements as Rashford (6-2) and is the main guy at Everton whenever I watch them.

The first paragraph here is just plain wrong. If you have two players one with 10 goals in Ligue 1 and the other with 9 goals in the premier league, which player would be rated higher on the comparison?

 

[romufc]

I said most teams ie 11 so not sure where you've randomly pulled 15 from. You've named most of them for me but i'll add a few limiting it to the left wing even though Rashford also plays on the right sometimes.

1. United - Garnacho
2. Arsenal - Martinelli / Trossard
3. Chelsea - Neto
4. City - Doku / Grealish
5. Liverpool - Gapko / Diaz
6. Spurs - Son
7. Brighton - Mitoma
8. West Ham - Kudus - Played on the left mostly this season
9. Newcastle - Gordon / Barnes
10. Villa - Ramsey - Not really a LW but has played there exclusively this season
11. Everton - McNeil

Honourable shoutout to Hwang at Wolves who had a very good season last year but has started poorly alongside Wolves. Probably on par with Rashford right now.

Right lovely, now we can have a look.

So you believe that those players are better than Rashford, apart from Son who I agree with, none of them have beaten Rashford's best PL tally.

2. Martinelli is actually rubbish, In a title chasing Arsenal scoring goals had less goals than a poor Rashford in a poor united team. So clearly you are wrong.

3. Neto has 1 PL goal same as Rashford and has a best of 5 PL goals in a season.. compared to 17 PL goals for Rashford in one season

4. Less I speak of Grealish the better who in the last 3 seasons plus this cant get to double figures in a team as the highest scorers.

7. Mitoma had 1 good season and still never reached double figures in PL.. last season and this has been outshun by Rashford.

10/11. Neither have hit double figures.

So you are making alot of things up and talking about metrics? What metrics? Marcus Rashford being in a poor United team being in terrible form still outperforming metrics of these better wingers. None of them could even touch Rashford in form.

 

[Based Adnan]

The first paragraph here is just plain wrong. If you have two players one with 10 goals in Ligue 1 and the other with 9 goals in the premier league, which player would be rated higher on the comparison?

Yeah you're not wrong actually. Although looking at his stats this year compared to other players in the PL doesn't make for much better reading - https://fbref.com/en/players/a1d5bd30/scout/12524/Marcus-Rashford-Scouting-Report#all_scout_summary

Surprisingly worse than last year which I wouldn't have guessed based on the eye test - https://fbref.com/en/players/a1d5bd30/scout/12192/Marcus-Rashford-Scouting-Report#all_scout_summary

 

[Based Adnan]

Right lovely, now we can have a look.

So you believe that those players are better than Rashford, apart from Son who I agree with, none of them have beaten Rashford's best PL tally.

2. Martinelli is actually rubbish, In a title chasing Arsenal scoring goals had less goals than a poor Rashford in a poor united team. So clearly you are wrong.

3. Neto has 1 PL goal same as Rashford and has a best of 5 PL goals in a season.. compared to 17 PL goals for Rashford in one season

4. Less I speak of Grealish the better who in the last 3 seasons plus this cant get to double figures in a team as the highest scorers.

7. Mitoma had 1 good season and still never reached double figures in PL.. last season and this has been outshun by Rashford.

10/11. Neither have hit double figures.

So you are making alot of things up and talking about metrics? What metrics? Marcus Rashford being in a poor United team being in terrible form still outperforming metrics of these better wingers. None of them could even touch Rashford in form.

You clearly rate Rashford very highly still and that's ok. We can agree to disagree.

 

[afrocentricity]

You clearly rate Rashford very highly still and that's ok. We can agree to disagree.

 

[romufc]

You clearly rate Rashford very highly still and that's ok. We can agree to disagree.

The funny thing is I dont.. I was before you posted arguing that he is a purple patch player and we should not rely on him next season.

That is the difference between you and me.. I can say he is not good enough without having to come out with nonsense.

In your eyes.. I rate him highly because 80% of the wingers you say are better have never got more than 10 PL goals in a season, Rashford has done it multiple times.

I get it, happens when you get done by your own metrics, cant take it.

 

[Based Adnan]

The funny thing is I dont.. I was before you posted arguing that he is a purple patch player and we should not rely on him next season.

That is the difference between you and me.. I can say he is not good enough without having to come out with nonsense.

In your eyes.. I rate him highly because 80% of the wingers you say are better have never got more than 10 PL goals in a season, Rashford has done it multiple times.

I get it, happens when you get done by your own metrics, cant take it.

You said only Gakpo, Diaz, Son and Gordon are better than him in the league. If you not rating a player is still having them in your top 5 in the league then I'd love to know about those you do actually rate!

Like I said, you can continue to think that but to me, these are clearly not the metrics of a top 5 winger in the league.

 

[zookeeper]

In my opinion I feel the one thing that clearly restrict Rashfords play (under different managers and in different playstyles) is his football intelligence, or lack of to be fair. He also lacks amy real intelligent decision making in the third half. Usually he shoots directly into a CB or try to dribble past a back. Thats his 2 tricks.

 

[romufc]

You said only Gakpo, Diaz, Son and Gordon are better than him in the league. If you not rating a player is still having them in your top 5 in the league then I'd love to know about those you do actually rate!

Like I said, you can continue to think that but to me, these are clearly not the metrics of a top 5 winger in the league.

In the PL, I dont think there are many LW's around that are amazing. At the moment I would say Diaz is probably the best LW in the PL, after that there is a massive gap.

The fact that none of them have got 10PL goals apart from Son tells you alot about the quality of LW's around.

Rashford is suffering from the teams form as well and has started this season rather poorly.

 

[Grand Vizier]

How someone can still go on and pretend Rashford is a great player is one of the biggest mysteries on this forum. Not even /reddevils can get behind him any more.

 

[van Nistelrooy]

erm firstly, the link shows top 5 leagues based on the last year.

But anyway I will entertain that.

Arsenal - Martinelli - Rashford is better
Chelsea - Sancho / Neto - Rashford better than both
City - Doku / Grealish - Rashford better than both
Liverpool - Gapko / Diaz - Better than Rashford
Spurs - Son - better than Rashford
Brighton - Mitoma - Rashford better
West Ham - Sommerville - Rashford better
Newcastle - Gordon - Probably better than Rashford
Wolves - I dont even know their RW so I will say Rashford is better
Forrest - Rashford is better than all their wingers
Everton - McNeil - Rashford better

I am not going to bother with the rest as Rashford is better than all the other team LW's.

Martinelli, Doku, Grealish, Mitoma, McNeil and certainly Gordon are all better than Rashford. What have you been watching?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Martinelli, Doku, Grealish, Mitoma, McNeil and certainly Gordon are all better than Rashford. What have you been watching?

Comparing the stats is interesting. Rashford is actually the most productive (G+A) of all of them over the last three seasons. But there's a price to pay. He's either worst or nearly worst at basically every stat that doesn't involve creating or scoring goals, especially defensively and in terms of number of passes/touches. He really is much more of a goalhanger than a conventional wide player. And if the goals dry up he becomes more of a hindrance than a help.

 

[Irwin99]

This is utter nonsense isn’t it? He was excellent for 2 years or so under Ole (but ran into injury issues). He was then excellent again for a season under ETH. For his age, he was also performing at a very high level in the seasons before Ole.

His “bad” spells (unsurprisingly) have coincided with the club being at an extremely low ebb, with poor managers implementing bad tactics. If Amorim is competent and Rashford then starts delivering, then that’s a damning indictment on the previous regime NOT Rashford.

Of course, if Amorim gets us playing magical football and Rashford still isn’t producing then the position will be very different. We will obviously then look to exit him and invest in players who do fit the new system.

I never quite understand this excuse- I mean I can understand obviously that when a team collectively struggles the individual level drops, but it shouldn't be by THAT much. Also why is it when Liverpool had a bad season under Klopp a few years ago that, Salah was still banging in 20 goals, or when Chelsea were terrible last season Palmer was putting in unbelievable performances at times? Is it unreasonable to think that a star player in a struggling team can do better than 5 and 8 goals in those two seasons we were awful?

I think he'll do well as a number 9 under the new manager and we'll see an upturn in form, at least for a bit. Whether it continues for more than a few months is anyone's guess. It surely has to be last chance now.

On another note, didn't he say somewhere that he doesn't like playing as much as a number 9 and that he prefers the left-wing role? Maybe I've got that wrong.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Nonsense? A player who has is 27 and been totally inconsistent.

Its funny you talk about his excellent period under Ole and Ten Hag, then talk about poor managers and bad tactics. So, could you point to his best season? it cant be under Ole or Ten Hag as they were poor managers.

Rashford has never had a full consistent season, its always been in purple patches.

I’d say his best “full season” was 19/20 but he did have the back injury at that time. Performance wise though I’ve always thought that was the best he ever looked on a consistent basis.

In general I’ve sort of banged the drum that Rashfords accumulated stats paint a kinder picture of the player he’s been than what reality was. I did the math once recently but it basically added up to him being a .5 G/A player per 90 in all comps for his career with us. That’s solid, but certainly not superstar levels especially for a player whose other metrics and general teamplay is never great. He’s a very output focused forward but without top level output

 

[Doracle]

On another note, didn't he say somewhere that he doesn't like playing as much as a number 9 and that he prefers the left-wing role? Maybe I've got that wrong.

He said that his preference is to play left wing as he feels he gets more involved. However, in his last consistent spell at CF he felt he was learning the position more and that it was easier to get into positions to score goals and that he enjoys playing it more now than he did when he was younger.