Obviously I know a great deal about this excellent player but does someone else want to go into some details about what type of player he is and how good he is?
Not for me of course, for everyone else.
Marc Guiu - Barca forward (for a few more days?)
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Obviously I know a great deal about this excellent player but does someone else want to go into some details about what type of player he is and how good he is?
Not for me of course, for everyone else.
Definitely nothing weird going on here between two of the sketchiest clubs in world football from a finances standpoint.
Actually I think Chelsea stole one of their pretty good prospects. Hes played and scored for the first team this season and Barca offered him a new deal
He had a release clause, and the player bought himself out of his contract to sign for Chelsea. That's essentially what has happened here. He is worth more than 6m, so this isn't a good deal for Barca.
Feels like Chelsea buy a new player every week, I don’t know how they do it.
It feels like that but in reality, we've announced one player so far and that was a free transfer. Guiu looks like the second signing and he'll cost 6m euro.
We've signed Tosin and that Brazilian kid so far. That's it.
They will sell him in three years time for about £40m despite him barely playing a game.
& Omari Kellyman from Villa.
€6m for England's centre half. Not bad.
At least Chelsea are highly active in the market even if they are terribly run
To be fair to him, he's right. Transfer window has only been open for two weeks and you've signed two players.
We haven't signed him.
Chelsea's owners clearly have an asset accumulation strategy. They're very eager to buy players who they think they will be able to flip for profit (both real profit and accounting profit) in the future and Guiu seems like a pretty good bet in that regard, especially for 6m euro.
I don't think we'll be able to judge this strategy's effectiveness for another couple years. The optimistic view would be that they'll have this big stable of young cheap players who they're selling from every year, thereby pumping up revenues and allowing them to compete better with clubs like United and City that have a higher level of "stable" (matchday, commercial, broadcast) revenue. This could be particularly important because they're either not going to do anything with Stamford Bridge, in which case they'll have a built in revenue deficit vis-a-vis other big clubs, or they're going to launch a very expensive, very long stadium reconstruction. The negative scenario is that they struggle to move many of these players because they haven't provided them with pathways to really develop and, more fuzzily, the asset accumulation strategy has negative effects on the club's internal culture.
Boehly et al have made a lot of obviously bad decisions in other respects but I wouldn't necessarily assume that this strategy ends up being one of them. It could look pretty smart 3-4 years from now.
I don't think we'll be able to judge this strategy's effectiveness for another couple years. The optimistic view would be that they'll have this big stable of young cheap players who they're selling from every year, thereby pumping up revenues and allowing them to compete better with clubs like United and City that have a higher level of "stable" (matchday, commercial, broadcast) revenue. This could be particularly important because they're either not going to do anything with Stamford Bridge, in which case they'll have a built in revenue deficit vis-a-vis other big clubs, or they're going to launch a very expensive, very long stadium reconstruction. The negative scenario is that they struggle to move many of these players because they haven't provided them with pathways to really develop and, more fuzzily, the asset accumulation strategy has negative effects on the club's internal culture.
Boehly et al have made a lot of obviously bad decisions in other respects but I wouldn't necessarily assume that this strategy ends up being one of them. It could look pretty smart 3-4 years from now.
There's something ironic about Chelsea's infinite athlete sponsor since they keep buying players
This seems like a fair assessment. It seems crazy to create a situation where a club is purposely relying on player sales as a means of future income.
I'd much rather they try and build the club and it's revenues through more traditional means, which I thought would be the one area they wouldn't struggle in, but it seems like it's been a big struggle to get commercial deals over the line and they've now seemingly completely abandoned the idea of revamping the Bridge, or at least pressed pause on that project because, they've run into the same issues Abramovich ran into for years - the location just doesn't appear to be one that lends itself to straightforward development and construction work.
If the plan is to eventually build the club's commercial revenue gradually but in the meantime they're forced to do this sort of player trading an this insane rate, then ok but my worry is eventually the bill for the current spend will come and they'll have to pay it one way or another. Little deals like this might be their way of trying to ensure bills can keep getting paid until they figure out a way to legitimately grow the club.
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Thanks for this video. I learned a lot watching 6 minutes of him walking up and down corridors, talking to his family in Catalan, and scoring a goal as an 11 year old. Top stuff.
I'm not sure why I'm getting this sassy, sarcastic response
It's a video showing his progression through the age groups culminating in his goal on his first team debut. It wasn't meant to be a highlight comp.
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It's the opposite of ironic!
I'm not sure why I'm getting this sassy, sarcastic response
It's a video showing his progression through the age groups culminating in his goal on his first team debut. It wasn't meant to be a highlight comp.
It’s the Caf. Sassy and sarcastic is the bare minimum.
I don’t think Barcelona will be losing any sleep at his departure. I’d be surprised if he makes much of an impact at Chelsea.
Watch them sell him for 30-40 million in 2 years.
Quite possibly - certainly have precedent for that! But still, I don’t think he’ll make much of impact in the first team.
What makes you say that?
They tried to resign him onto one of those 300m+ release clause deals with a bump in contract to get him to stay. They did the same thing last year after we went after their 17 yr old wonderkid CB…. Who now has a clause of 432m? He got a very small bump in wages, but goes around telling people how much he’s “worth” now apparently.
Thats the reason. Barca does it: to appeal to the ego. Didn’t Gavin have like a 1B clause? It’s dumb.
But the point being: they did NOT want him to go, and they certainly didn’t want him to go for 5m. Our recruitment team did a good job on this one.
It has nothing to do with ego, it has everything to do with money.
We offered him decent wages at 2M gross per year, Marca said you offered three times that (6M) and he left for that difference, if the club wanted to keep him, we would have to commit that amount of money eating away from the first team budget (where he's not ready to play yet).
And the release clause quantities are just disuasory measures, no one thinks Gavi is worth 1B, but since the Spanish clubs are forced by law to set a release clause on every player, they put a price out of market reach so any other team has to negotiate with them, the unreal release clauses started once Messi was being constantly tapped by the Oil clubs, and they eventually got Neymar for what would be his realist release clause.
Even in the case of absurd release clauses, a player could lower it as this shouldn't be a random amount brought out of Laporta's imagination, in theory the release clause exists to cover the club for the loss of an asset, and at the same time for that asset to buy out his contract and end the work relationship.
What's the valuation for Guiu if it came to that had he signed a 1B release clause? You put a value to your player when you agree the contract duration and their total gross wages, put on top a market valuation on how much you could get from his sale at the time of a potential Release Clause arbitration to lower the amount set in the contract, and you would be far away from 1B, and in a reasonable ballpark. This has happened for some players in the lower tiers.
The problem with going to a judge to lower your release clause, is that the process can take a couple years, and in the meantime you're at war with your team, won't play, and may end up lowering your clause for no one to want you after a long absence from competitive football.
Impressive miss. I had to watch it a few times to confirm that it was even on target.
It’s been posted in the 3 different threads ffs 
Just a shite Chido, let’s be honest
Does it count as an open goal if the keeper saves it?
I don’t know if he was trying to look clever and was expecting the keeper to dive past it. He had a little look at the keeper before he shot
I don’t know if he was trying to look clever and was expecting the keeper to dive past it. He had a little look at the keeper before he shot