Manny Ramirez Tests Posivite

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Source: Manny Ramirez tests positive for banned substance, gets 50-game ban

By Teri Thompson, Mark Feinsand & Nathaniel Vinton
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS

Thursday, May 7th 2009, 11:56 AM

Baseball superstar Manny Ramirez tested positive for a banned substance and will be hit with a 50-game suspension by Major League Baseball, a source told the Daily News Thursday morning.

Ramirez now joins some of the greatest players in recent baseball history – Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Roger Clemens, and Alex Rodriguez – in his link to pharmaceutical cheating.

An annoucement by MLB and the players' association is expected Thursday afternoon.

Ramirez, who grew up in Washington Heights and tormented the New York Yankees year after year as the anchor of two championship Red Sox teams, recently signed a two-year contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers. After protracted negotiations, the 36-year-old righty re-upped with the Dodgers on March 4, signing a two-year, $45 million contract.

In 2004, the first year of baseball's drug-testing program, Ramirez led the American League in home runs, with 43, and was the World Series MVP.

Until today, Ramirez was considered a Hall of Fame shoo-in, with 12 All-Star selections, 533 home runs, and a career batting average well over .300. Prior to joining the Dodgers mid-way through the 2008 season, he played seven and a half seasons for the Red Sox (2001-08) and eight seasons for the Cleveland Indians (1993-2000).

Over the objections of the players' union and under external pressure from Congress, Major League Baseball introduced its drug testing program in 2004, after a round of anonymous survey test in 2003 showed well over five percent of players were using performance-enhancing drugs.

Federal agents investigating the BALCO drug ring seized the results of the 2003 tests, and while an appeals court is currently deciding on the legality of the seizure, the identities of 104 players have remained largely secret (A-Rod being the lone exception).

In April, baseball's primary steroid accuser Jose Canseco told a reporter from the Los Angeles Times that Ramirez's name was "most likely, 90 percent" on the list, but admitted he had "no way of knowing."

Ramirez had no response to Canseco's charges, telling reporters his response was "nothing."
 
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Baseball should team up with WWE. It seems clear that their governing body doesn't care about steroids, only the entertainment generated by home runs.

50 games, what's that about 12 weeks? Rio forgot to pee and got 8 months.
 
Well then, Red Sox fan here.

Good to hear this may have been a recent feck-up... knowing Manny if it was during his Sox tenue he'd admit it.

Two things he has going for him is:

1) He's passed multiple reported drug tests in the past
2) These were perscription drugs, if he's not lying he's in the clear for past use or other cases.
 
I don't think its good to hear him taking drugs at all never mind what time it is another bad day for baseball.
 
Anderson Searl said:
Well then, Red Sox fan here.

Good to hear this may have been a recent feck-up... knowing Manny if it was during his Sox tenue he'd admit it.

Two things he has going for him is:

1) He's passed multiple reported drug tests in the past
2) These were perscription drugs, if he's not lying he's in the clear for past use or other cases.
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Can you say 'in the clear'? He's still taken a performance enhancing drug, whether he meant to or not. And as his statement has said, it is HIS responsibility for what goes in his body. If someone spikes something... a bit different. But seriously, not checking a prescription from the doctor? For a professional athlete to make a mistake like that is frankly scandalous. That's his whole livelihood and reputation being put at stake

And, if it is a genuine excuse, he's tarred by the fact plenty of folk use this kind of excuses when in fact they are guilty
 
How do these "accidental prescriptions" even happen? If I was earning $25m a year I would have my own hospital to look after just me.
 
:lol::lol::lol:

fecking Dodger cnuts can't say shit about Bonds anymore.

And please, you are completely deluded if you think this wasn't going on when he was a Red Sock or an Indian. Just like you are deluded if you think Pujols is clean. They were all doing it, except for maybe Ken Griffey Jr.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Griffey Jr did it. He wasn't exactly a 50 homer guy until the mid 90s and he did get quite lean by his late 20s. Also have to look at some of the injuries he suffered though quite a few were in-game and not necessarily attributable to drugs. And do remember some athletes take drugs for injury recovery and prevention not necessarily for body mass.
 
chewingkebabs said:
Well, it is 50 games, which is about 1/3 of the season. 8 months in football is, what, about 35-40 games.
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For a positive test of a banned substance. It should be 100 games minimum, preferably 2 years but baseball doesn't care about performance enhancing substances, only about filling seats and Nielsen ratings.

Those fifty games will be over before you know it. Double headers, games every three days kind of stuff.
 
MrMarcello said:
And do remember some athletes take drugs for injury recovery and prevention not necessarily for body mass.
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Yes, that's true. There are a lot of steroids prescribed for recovery and then there are a number of OTC cold medicines that contain banned substances.
 
Brad said:
Can you say 'in the clear'? He's still taken a performance enhancing drug, whether he meant to or not. And as his statement has said, it is HIS responsibility for what goes in his body. If someone spikes something... a bit different. But seriously, not checking a prescription from the doctor? For a professional athlete to make a mistake like that is frankly scandalous. That's his whole livelihood and reputation being put at stake

And, if it is a genuine excuse, he's tarred by the fact plenty of folk use this kind of excuses when in fact they are guilty
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Brad said:
Dwayne my heyfever treatment contains steroid, would that likely be on a sports banned list?
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Brad, you kind of just proved my point... Manny may or may not have known what he was putting in his body, it could have been for something like Hayfever... he's taken responsibility, he's passed tests in the past, I don't for one second think these are steroids/PED's

Barbara Charles said:
Soooooooo glad this did not happen whilst he was with the Red Sox
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You and me both, though now you know Yankee fans will run with this and try to pick out everyone from 2004/2007 and kill us off... only roid user we had was Gagne.

Ivor Ballokov said:
How do these "accidental prescriptions" even happen? If I was earning $25m a year I would have my own hospital to look after just me.
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Happens all the time in all sport, the difference is Baseball is so strict there's no hope for appeal, same thing happened with JC Romero and his flu medication from this off-season.

MrMarcello said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Griffey Jr did it. He wasn't exactly a 50 homer guy until the mid 90s and he did get quite lean by his late 20s. Also have to look at some of the injuries he suffered though quite a few were in-game and not necessarily attributable to drugs. And do remember some athletes take drugs for injury recovery and prevention not necessarily for body mass.
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BLASPHEME !!!!!

The man got legit hurt far too often to have been on roids... no growth injuries
 
Anderson Searl said:
Brad, you kind of just proved my point... Manny may or may not have known what he was putting in his body, it could have been for something like Hayfever... he's taken responsibility, he's passed tests in the past, I don't for one second think these are steroids/PED's
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But I'm not a professional athlete who's livelihood depends on knowing what every last thing I put into my body consists of

I watched PTI earlier, and they said it was a female hormone drug. More needs to come out, but why on earth would he need such a thing? They also mentioned it was a drug linked to steroid use in the past. More needs to come out about that

Whatever, even if he is innocent of any malicious wrong doing, he is guilty of the upmost stupidity, he's taken a performance enhancing drug, and he'll be punished / his reputation and legacy tarnished accordingly
 
Brad said:
But I'm not a professional athlete who's livelihood depends on knowing what every last thing I put into my body consists of

I watched PTI earlier, and they said it was a female hormone drug. More needs to come out, but why on earth would he need such a thing? They also mentioned it was a drug linked to steroid use in the past. More needs to come out about that

Whatever, even if he is innocent of any malicious wrong doing, he is guilty of the upmost stupidity, he's taken a performance enhancing drug, and he'll be punished / his reputation and legacy tarnished accordingly
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I agree 100%, and as the day has gone out more has come out...so I revoke my claim that he's potentially in the clear.
 
Anderson Searl said:
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Brad, you kind of just proved my point... Manny may or may not have known what he was putting in his body, it could have been for something like Hayfever... he's taken responsibility, he's passed tests in the past, I don't for one second think these are steroids/PED's
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Give me a break.

However, testing by Major League Baseball showed that Ramirez had testosterone in his body that was not natural and came from an artificial source, two people with knowledge of the case told ESPN's Mark Fainaru-Wada and T.J. Quinn. The sources said that in addition to the artificial testosterone, Ramirez was identified as using the female fertility drug human chorionic gonadotropin, or hCG.

The sources said Ramirez was suspended for using hCG because baseball had documentation to prove his use of the drug. A Major League Baseball source said Ramirez's representatives indicated they would fight a suspension for using artificial testosterone.

Ramirez, in a statement issued by the players' union, said: "Recently, I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was OK to give me.
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Right, so a guy who didn't go through spring training, who needed to catch up to everyone else on the team, just happened to be taking steroids. The same kind used by..
ESPN reported earlier that testing showed Ramirez had used hCG, which is typically used by steroid users to restart their bodies' natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO.

Ramirez's case was set off when a test in spring training revealed he had elevated levels of testosterone in his body. MLB followed up with a more comprehensive test that confirmed the testosterone had to come from an artificial source, the sources said.

While investigating, MLB obtained documents that indicated Ramirez's use of hCG, and it was those documents that formally were used to hand down the 50-game suspension. Baseball decided to suspend Ramirez for only hCG because, in the end, he would have only been suspended for just the 50 games either way. There was a chance Ramirez could have proved that the testosterone did not come from a banned substance, the MLB source said.

The hCG use, a doping expert told ESPN, would have been separate from the use of the artificial testosterone reflected by MLB's testing.
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"It could be that a player used it because he used steroids and went cold-turkey and needed HCG to get his levels back to normal. I had to use it when I quit steroids cold-turkey," said Canseco. "I had to go to a doctor to get it and get my levels back."
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This is a guy getting caught doing steroids. Nothing more, nothing less. His excuse that a doctor gave it to him if crap.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4148907
 
Anderson Searl said:
:rolleyes:

Clean until proven dirty... whether or not this brings out more (Which you reckon it would with Manny if this happened during his Sox career) we're clean.
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You’re fooling yourself to think the Red Sox are all clean and out of all the players they have had over the last number of years only Gagne took riods (and I bet your gonna say he wasn't on your team when he took them).
 
Rooney1987 said:
You’re fooling yourself to think the Red Sox are all clean and out of all the players they have had over the last number of years only Gagne took riods (and I bet your gonna say he wasn't on your team when he took them).
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I'm not fooling myself FYI, infact I highly expected one of either Ortiz or Manny to be caught one day... it's quite safe to say we weren't as dirty as the Yankees teams of the 90's/early 00's and recently, but i'm certain (shamefully) someone in our ranks has used steroids.

However as a result, only Gagne was caught, and whether he took them with us is not displayed.

(Brendan Donnolly also took roids)

So we'll see, like I said Manny is not one to stay mum, if this opens into a nice little investigation or public circus, Manny will talk... we'll see.
 
Anderson Searl said:
it's quite safe to say we weren't as dirty as the Yankees teams of the 90's/early 00's and recently, but i'm certain (shamefully) someone in our ranks has used steroids.
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I disagree with that but im not gonna argue because we dont really know all the facts and we might never know. I admit the Yanks did it too but I think all teams did it as much as us it was that era.
 
Rooney1987 said:
I disagree with that but im not gonna argue because we dont really know all the facts and we might never know. I admit the Yanks did it too but I think all teams did it as much as us it was that era.
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I think we will, the fact the greatest hitters of our generation are getting found, I think everyone will be at some point.

All I know is if Griffey is found to have juiced... I will have lost faith in this sport... I almost have as it is.

I just hope this only just recently started, which makes sense given his late arrival this season and his seeming more toned arms.
 
Would have thought it would have been for marijuana, there could have been cool shirts of Manny smoking a blunt and with the text "Manny being Manny"
 
Anderson Searl said:
:rolleyes:

Clean until proven dirty... whether or not this brings out more (Which you reckon it would with Manny if this happened during his Sox career) we're clean.
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Convenient that the Mitchell Report was done by a Red Sox fan. :rolleyes:

Hot dogs and beer,
Hot dogs and beeeeer,
Babe Ruth did it
On hot dogs and beer.

Canseco was right
Canseco was riiiiight,
He's got shriveled balls,
But Canseco was right.

MANROID MANROID MANROID MANROID
 
The more big stars of Baseball get caught using banned substances the more likely it'll become tarred with the same brush as Cycling!

No offence to the lads on here, but i find Baseball a little boring, that said - i've not been as exposed to it like I have with Basketball or Gridiron, so its not in my blood like you's boys!
 
Anderson Searl said:
Are you still on that fabricated bullshit?

It's been made VERY clear since then it was all bullshit and he wasn't a director to the Red Sox.
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That report was pointless so many millions spent to tell me things I already knew. The only suprise was Pettitte we alll had suspicions on Clemens.
 
I heard he tested positive for hCG hahahhahahhahahhaha if true
 
Sad to hear this as Manny, along with Pedro at Boston, was one of the players that got me into baseball.

Not really very surprising though.
 
Sad to hear it. Coming from a Yankees fan, I've always liked Manny. Some players are good enough that they don't need roids and he's one of them. Stupid move.

Anyway, when are we going to find out that Big Papi used steroids then? He's one of the players I feel absolutely sure has taken them.
 
Anderson Searl said:
I'm not fooling myself FYI, infact I highly expected one of either Ortiz or Manny to be caught one day... it's quite safe to say we weren't as dirty as the Yankees teams of the 90's/early 00's and recently, but i'm certain (shamefully) someone in our ranks has used steroids.

However as a result, only Gagne was caught, and whether he took them with us is not displayed.

(Brendan Donnolly also took roids)

So we'll see, like I said Manny is not one to stay mum, if this opens into a nice little investigation or public circus, Manny will talk... we'll see.
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Who from the Yankees of the late 90's do you think took roids? Scott Brosius? Paul O'Neill? Derek Jeter?
 
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