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Liverpool 2024-25 | Inevitably winning the quadruple
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Everyone is scoring at the moment, from Salah to Jota.
Gonna hit 100 points at this rate
Players in form in the right positions. Top players performing to their potential. A decent squad. They will take some stopping this season.
Having goalscorers makes a big difference especially when they are clinical
It sucks they don't have anybody challenging them (again) but they have been the best team in the league unfortunately
It sucks they don't have anybody challenging them (again) but they have been the best team in the league unfortunately
Can someone explain to me:
Fergie leaves and we feck up for 10+yrs...
Klopp leaves and Slot comes in and says, hold my beer...walks the PL and possibly win the CL.
Make it make sense. What the feck are we doing?
Fergie leaves and we feck up for 10+yrs...
Klopp leaves and Slot comes in and says, hold my beer...walks the PL and possibly win the CL.
Make it make sense. What the feck are we doing?
I like how simple their tactics and player squad are.
Players like Gakpo, Szboszlai, Jota, Gravenberch, Jones, Diaz, Macalister etc are not exactly jaw dropping in comparison to Salah, Van Dijk & TAA but its so nicely blended of a squad doing bits and pieces with some touches of world class players like a cherry on top of a cake.
Even the tactics look very simple in a traditional 4231.
Well done liverpool, looks like they have a great manager getting the best out of good players.
@DeGea
Liverpool's Fenways sports group are amazing. Got klopp, told him to use Salah against his will, Klopp left, targeted a manager i had hardly heard about and their just rolling.
Players like Gakpo, Szboszlai, Jota, Gravenberch, Jones, Diaz, Macalister etc are not exactly jaw dropping in comparison to Salah, Van Dijk & TAA but its so nicely blended of a squad doing bits and pieces with some touches of world class players like a cherry on top of a cake.
Even the tactics look very simple in a traditional 4231.
Well done liverpool, looks like they have a great manager getting the best out of good players.
@DeGea
Liverpool's Fenways sports group are amazing. Got klopp, told him to use Salah against his will, Klopp left, targeted a manager i had hardly heard about and their just rolling.
Their forward line is 10x better than Arsenal and Chelsea's.
What a shit time to be alive.
I’m sure if Liverpool hired David fecking Moyes things wouldn’t be quite as rosey either.
When you look at Liverpool’s attack then look at ours it’s honestly disgusting. It’s actually a disgrace how shite our players are in comparison.
Well ran run club and the last manager left behind a strong squad that required no further signings. Last Eredivisie signing was a good one in Gakpo though the same chap would probably struggle to make any impact at a club that's in a mess like Man United.
I’d argue our squad was in better shape when Klopp left, vs United’s in 2013
If Klopp had left a year earlier, we’d be struggling under Slot right now. That summer we signed Mac Allister, Szobozslai, Endo & Gravenberch. Three of them are key players for Slot this season.
He’s only been given £10-12 million to spend and loon where we are. It’s a strong squad.
Annoyingly good.
We tend to hear often how good city are on and off the pitch and how bad United are, dated stadium, facilities etc. Just what are Liverpool doing to be at the top most years? It was supposed to be elite managers like Pep and Klopp.
Yes recruitment you can point to, we've heard good things about the player data a few years ago but is there a big rundown on Pools training and facilities, how state of the art is it? No inhaler jokes.
We tend to hear often how good city are on and off the pitch and how bad United are, dated stadium, facilities etc. Just what are Liverpool doing to be at the top most years? It was supposed to be elite managers like Pep and Klopp.
Yes recruitment you can point to, we've heard good things about the player data a few years ago but is there a big rundown on Pools training and facilities, how state of the art is it? No inhaler jokes.
It makes me sick how they’re going to get a clean sweep of four trophies.
I don't even know why I am posting in this thread. Honestly, seeing how bad we are and how good they are kills me.
Liverpool modernized their football structure backed by an owner that values sporting success. We didn't.
It really is as simple as that.
Klopp was always likelier to take the Liverpool job after Dortmund due to the perceived similarities in fan culture, Liverpool wouldn't have had to try too hard to convince him unlike Utd. If Klopp not Moyes got the Utd job after Ferguson it'd be different timeline I suppose
Do you want the honest truth about the immediate impact of both departures? Ferguson squeezed the last drop of quality out of a certain group of top-class players who were already past their peak during his last years. He also knew the league by heart, and the fear factor he had created was often times enough to carry us over the line. And when City finally caught up with us (2012), instead of rejuvenating the first-team, he signed a magnificent yet very injury prone striker for one last hurray (which proved to be even shorter than anticipated). Then Woodward took over the reins. On the other hand, Slot is massively benefiting atm from having a group of great players playing at the peak of their powers. A couple of years down the line, when Slot will be forced to build his "own side", we'll see how he'll cope. But the scousers have the people in place to form a plan and see it through, along with the manager. But, as both Slot and Moyes were signed with continuity in mind, the former was dealt a much better hand than the latter (not that Moyes would have faired any better than he did, but still).
Same here. It’s genuinely depressing
This is the last season where they can achieve everything. From the next season it is rebuild time and some of the best players are leaving. Who thinks that Slot can find the new Salah? It will be 20/20 in titles but I think their reign is over after this season.
It would feel worse if we were closer to them in the table. But we're so fecking shit right now I'll just be relieved if we remain in the division and I don't care what they do.
Reminds me of when Klopp left Dortmund and Tuchel had an amazing season following him, which IMO he hasn't quite been able to replicate (at least attacking-wise).
Maybe something about the way Klopp coaches his teams seems to have a good carry on for the next manager, especially if they don't try to rip it all up and start from scratch.
Maybe something about the way Klopp coaches his teams seems to have a good carry on for the next manager, especially if they don't try to rip it all up and start from scratch.
I'm kind of with you. Plus, Arsenal is the only side with a slight chance of challenging them at the moment. And, to be honest, despite the historical rivalry with LFC, I find Arsenal's football, manager, players and even fanbase to be even more unlikeable nowadays.
The went and rehired the guy who built the club in its current iteration and hired Klopp in the first place, gave him the job of doing it again with less supervision
Can't support a sports groupDon't LFC fans regularly protest against FSG, for ticket price increases and the like? For what's worth I recall Utd tried to get Klopp too, around 2012/13 to replace Ferguson but Kloppo rejected it to stay at BVB for a few more seasons. Also, Klopp was a big admirer of Salah at Basel and tried to sign him after Salah impressed us in a 2013 friendly but Chelsea got him first. I recall seeing young Salah's Basel highlights because our fans thought he was coming to Dortmund, he was super pacy making cutbacks from the byline. Kloppo eventually got his wish to work with Salah in 2017 and Mo got a 2nd chance in the PL after warming Chelsea's bench.
Klopp was always likelier to take the Liverpool job after Dortmund due to the perceived similarities in fan culture, Liverpool wouldn't have had to try too hard to convince him unlike Utd. If Klopp not Moyes got the Utd job after Ferguson it'd be different timeline I suppose
Surely fans being unhappy with ticket prices is less influential than the team doing well?
I had a feeling Klopp would go to Liverpool because there's a part of Klopp that almosts want to resurrect sleeping giants and i find that really cool.
Even 10 years later, i wouldnt call United a sleeping giant because its still arguably one of the biggest financial teams in the world and there's an element of stress that comes from managing the likes of United, Real Madrid, Bayern etc that i see Klopp wants to avoid.(similair to the stress & pressure put directly at own players by the club itself).
He bought back Dortmund from the dead and whilst they may not be as successful as Bayern recently, they remain a top destination with a positive outlook ever since Klopp managed them way back.
Same with Liverpool, who were a sleeping giant that Klopp wanted to wake up at his own speed without the stress of being with the biggest club in the league.
For example, I dont know if he has retired or got a new job but I cant see Klopp going to Real Madrid next - its just not really his style.
He's most likely club destination of the future is a club like AC Milan, turning them back in to the beasts they were in the 90's. In Spain i see him most likely managing Athletico Madrid or Valencia.
Very cool manager and even though he eventually does decay at clubs, his strengths can still be felt at the clubs he has managed.
If he went to Italy, surely it would be to Napoli.
Gakpo is a class player.
There's goals from everywhere in that Liverpool team.
There's goals from everywhere in that Liverpool team.
I... have become comfortably numb
We said the same thing in 2022. I'm not sure we can ever really know when a team has come to its end in terms of dominance. I didn't expect Liverpool to be winning the title at a canter this year and I dont think that many did. Who is to say they won't sustain a high level next year?
This in a nutshell. There's just no comparison to the squad that Fergie left behind to the squad Klopp did. SAF left as a league winner, looking back it was almost like The Last Dance for many of those players and the manager. Man Utd defence was Valencia (28), Rio (35), Vidic (32), Evra (33). In behind them the likes of Smalling, Jones, Evans, Rafael never really lived up to what was hoped for them.
Midfield had Carrick (32), Fletcher (30), Giggs (40), with Anderson, Cleverly, Kagawa behind them and Moyes signed Fellaini in the summer.
A Van Persie at 30 and Rooney at 28 on paper looks fine, but as it played out Van Persie went back to having injury problems and Rooney was just getting past his peak.
The Liverpool squad Klopp left just isn't comparable
In terms of age profile vs quality. Van Dijk and Salah are by far the oldest but Van Dijk was still 3 years younger than Rio was, and Salah just seems like the bionic man just now. The rest, Konate (25), Trent (26), Mac Allister (26), Szoboszlai (24), Gravenberch (22), Jones (23), Diaz (27), Gakpo (25), Nunez (25), Jota (28) are all in their prime.
We are saying the player the probably need to replace who looks past his best is Robertson and he's only 29.
Fully agree. I really don’t think former eredivisie players Gakpo and Gravenberch would have reached their current level had they signed for United.
I think it’s a fine margin between succeeding to realize your potential and falling to do so.
It took gakpo 3 years to really step up. We’re already throwing Zirkzee under the bus after 18 games. But to be in an environment where the structure, your team and your coaches continue to make you better, you can reach a high level. We all know that united isn’t such a place. Here we destroy and kind of talent. We are a hostile place, shredder of potential.
We have made a fair amount of stupid signings, but more importantly, we’re not able to get the most out of our players
I don’t know exactly where it goes wrong but it clearly bigger than just who we sign or whatever wacko is the current head coach
It's just something we'll have to accept for now. They're an incredible side and have been for the past few years. We're lucky that this will be only their second title since SAF stepped down, if anything. Could be a lot worse.
Mostly the off-the-ball workrate to press and win the ball near the opponent's goal (that's what I notice currently for Liverpool) and Klopp is definitely more methodical about Gegenpressing which means his teams seem to play more freely after he leaves but still retains their coordinated pressing structure and triggers from Klopp. Tuchel's first season was great but he's always been impressive even at Mainz and led them to 5th place, their highest Bundesliga finish. He has a brilliant tactical brain compared to Klopp but is a prickly perfectionist who doesn't gel with a lot of people be it players or club executives. Klopp inspires near universal rapport such that players would run through walls for him in the 90th minute instead of getting complacent with poor performances like Utd's squad under different managers after 1-2 seasons. In Klopp's final season at Dortmund we had a dropoff very similar and worse than Pep's City this season, we lost to the last placed club and were 17th out of 18 teams at Christmas 2014, Hummels and the senior players had to go and calm the angry fans after every defeat and frankly the pressing structures didn't work because everyone looked dogtired and opponents bypassed our press very easily similar to City currently. That was likely why Klopp quit at the end of 2014/15, because he had taken the players as far as he could and they needed to be motivated different tactics. Same goes for Liverpool last season IMO.
The effect on Dortmund was pretty sustainable beyond that first Tuchel year. The five seasons before Klopp Dortmunds league positions had been 13-9-7-7-6. The five seasons after the positions had been 2-3-4-2-2. With the obvious caveat of Bayern bringing in Guardiola at the time who laid the foundations at the richest club in the Bundesliga to completely dominate like never before and win 11 league titles in a row. Unfortunately for Klopp, Guardiola followed him to the EPL.
Not in German football or anywhere where matchgoers matter or have a bigger say than the CEOs or fans who watch the game on TV and don't care if locals are priced out as long as their team wins. For instance Utd fans should be protesting Ratcliffe en masse but they aren't because English fans aren't stakeholders and can't be arsed to get up in arms about ticket prices; they're merely trifling sheep-like consumers to be milked for all their money in the eyes of the billionaire club owners running their own modern bread and circuses to keep the hoi polloi distracted.
Unfortunately for football romantics, he won't be joining Milan or Atletico because he isn't fluent enough to motivate players in Spanish or Italian, plus he's due to start this week as the Head of Global Soccer at Red Bull resurrecting famous sleeping giant underdogs like Leipzig, Salzburg, and Redbull's newest
Kloppo's rich enough to not find the stressful daily coaching at top club level appealing anymore and is content to take the money and chill behind the scenes regardless of what people think of RB, even Dortmund fans don't wear such thick rose-tinted glasses.His most impressive achievement is that he was a one club man who played for Mainz all his career in the lower leagues, then coached them to achieve top flight promotion for the very first time in 2004. Although they got relegated with Klopp, Mainz climbed back up and have been a steady Bundesliga fixture ever since.
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What I don't get is how well all their players are performing.
Gomez, Gravenberch, Jones, Gakpo, Szoboszlai, Tsimikas, Elliott, Endo, Nunez etc are all players on paper that easily could be playing for mid-table teams but they are simply playing out of their skins and seem to be doing everything right.
Look at City's previous league winning teams and you will not find those types of players.
Just goes to show what a proper set up can do to develop and help the players playing in said set up.
Gomez, Gravenberch, Jones, Gakpo, Szoboszlai, Tsimikas, Elliott, Endo, Nunez etc are all players on paper that easily could be playing for mid-table teams but they are simply playing out of their skins and seem to be doing everything right.
Look at City's previous league winning teams and you will not find those types of players.
Just goes to show what a proper set up can do to develop and help the players playing in said set up.
Really piles the misery on us to see how good the scouse play. At least City suck .
Endo and Tsimikas and Nunez fit your criteria. The others not so much.
If you watch them play regularly you’ll see how these are very good players - especially Gravenberch who bosses every team he plays.
It’s December. They haven’t won anything yet. The contract drama will really affect them. TAA is gone, they can’t afford to lose one of the other two.