Lindelof or Maguire?

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With Varane out and injury prone who do the Caf prefer to step in as cover?

I'm of the opinion Maguire is a much better option but I'm aware that many prefer Lindelof. What say you? Mods add a poll if possible.
 
Frank Grimes said:
With Varane out and injury prone who do the Caf prefer to step in as cover?

I'm of the opinion Maguire is a much better option but I'm aware that many prefer Lindelof. What say you? Mods add a poll if possible.
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I also much prefer Maguire. Maguire has his weaknesses but I fail to see what Lindelof is good at - I have said many times, he actually does very little defending and is content to let his partner do everything
 
I feel like ive seen this exact same topic before...

Also when picking between Lindelof or Maguire i would pick Lindelof. Someone better than both would be ideal though
 
Maguire is a far better player than Lindelof ever has been. But it's popular to blame Maguire for all our problems so Lindelof has somehow improved in many people's minds.
 
Sell both, buy Kim Min-Jae from Napoli and have the 4th choice CB be a younging from the academy
 
Left nutsack or right, which is taking the nail?

If we're defending high up both Lindelof and Maguire are going to be problems. Neither has the pace to cope with runners in behind. Lindelof is quicker than Maguire but weak as watered gravy. Maguire is obviously stronger than Lindelof but has the turning speed of a tanker.

Honestly consider Axel Tuanzebe and Mengi better options in Ten Hag's system. At least they have some kind of recovery pace.
 
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Leftback99 said:
Maguire is a far better player than Lindelof ever has been. But it's popular to blame Maguire for all our problems so Lindelof has somehow improved in many people's minds.
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Exactly Maguire is better than Lindelof even though they're both not good enough. Maguire has had to play while in the middle of a witchhunt by the whole football community both online and in stadiums and that has obviously made him play even worse. Lindelof has no pressure whatsoever and can put in as many terrible performances without criticism outside of the fanbase.

If both had to play under the same scrutiny and pressure I have no doubt Maguire would clearly prove to be the much better defender.
 
Maguire and it's not even close. He isn't much but at least you can back him to win headers and not get outmuscled most of the times. Lindelof is probably the weakest CB we've ever had and is as bad as Maguire at positioning.
 
How about a new defender? Lindelof is afraid of his own shadow and Maguire is just not going to work in this system at all. I'm sure we'll improve this but it will take a little time. In the meantime, let's hope Varane is never injured again for the rest of this season/
 
Not sure why people are making out like "it's not close" or somebody is much better. They're much of a muchness. It has been shown over and over that they can both be liabilities too often, so how can it be that one is substantially better? If one was substantially better then they'd be a top player, considering neither are awful PL players, they're just not good for us.

They both seem to regularly chuck in howlers, the only reason Lindelof gets away with it and isn't a meme is he's naturally passive which means he can hide some of his mistakes in some kind of grey area where you can look at other moments in the build up. But often a lack of physicality and addressing his man is as much a problem as Maguire going on the front foot and making a mess.
 
Abraxas said:
Not sure why people are making out like "it's not close" or somebody is much better. They're much of a muchness. It has been shown over and over that they can both be liabilities too often, so how can it be that one is substantially better? If one was substantially better then they'd be a top player, considering neither are awful PL players, they're just not good for us.

They both seem to regularly chuck in howlers, the only reason Lindelof gets away with it and isn't a meme is he's naturally passive which means he can hide some of his mistakes in some kind of grey area where you can look at other moments in the build up. But often a lack of physicality and addressing his man is as much a problem as Maguire going on the front foot and making a mess.
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One has to be better than the other though. This idea that there is no difference seems dense to me.
 
They both need moving on asap. Neither good enough. Move on DeGea as well.
 
They're both not very good, but I'd rather have Maguire, on the fact that he's not a coward.
 
Frank Grimes said:
One has to be better than the other though. This idea that there is no difference seems dense to me.
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They're about the same level though. The main difference is the style of defender. Maguire is more aggressive and front foot (like a shit Martinez), Lindelöf is more passive and containing/covering (like a shit Varane).

If Martinez is out, Maguire should play. If Varane is out, Lindelöf should play (unless we're playing Stoke City circa 2010, in which case, put Maguire in). If they're both out, god help us.
 
Leftback99 said:
Maguire is a far better player than Lindelof ever has been. But it's popular to blame Maguire for all our problems so Lindelof has somehow improved in many people's minds.
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Maguire's top form is better. But his bottom level is also worse (at least in the sense of being that bad consistently).

So really it depends entirely on which Maguire turns up.
 
Maguire is just better. He’s not close to as good as Lisandro and Varane, which was the whole freakin point of getting them. But he’s better than Lindelof, and I think should be starting right now. Especially after today. Lindelof was just awful.

Secondly…to the whole “both are sh@t” crowd…what do you want the club to do? Neither was good enough so we bought two better CB’s. Ones hurt. They are both reserves now. Anyone better than Maguire and Lindelof wouldn’t come to sit behind Lisandro and Varane. I think all things considered these two as reserves is pretty decent. This ain’t FIFA or Football Manager ffs…
 
V.O. said:
They're about the same level though. The main difference is the style of defender. Maguire is more aggressive and front foot (like a shit Martinez), Lindelöf is more passive and containing/covering (like a shit Varane).

If Martinez is out, Maguire should play. If Varane is out, Lindelöf should play (unless we're playing Stoke City circa 2010, in which case, put Maguire in). If they're both out, god help us.
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Well at least you give decent reasons. Saying it makes no difference seems dense.
I still think pound for pound Maguire is the better option.
 
MadDogg said:
Maguire's top form is better. But his bottom level is also worse (at least in the sense of being that bad consistently).

So really it depends entirely on which Maguire turns up.
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Agree. Maguire was actually decent last week v West Ham. He is braver than Lindelof, Lindelof is just weak imo. Maguire has better tangibles, he's better in the air and he is braver. His top form for United is much better than Lindelof has ever shown.

He was shite for a while but that's form, form can change. Ability can't.
 
The real answer is it doesn't matter who plays at CB, we'll always concede too many goals if we're not organised and the midfield/forwards don't work hard enough to keep the opposition away from our goal.

I have my opinion on what order I would rank our CBs but the fact is, under ETH before today we went from the team who allowed the opposition to have the most dangerous attacks in our box to the team who allowed the least. Throughout that period, Varane, Martinez, Maguire and Lindelof all played at least one game and kept at least one clean sheet.

Also, you can find, for example, posts of me criticising Lindelof...but he's not "rubbish". There are a whole host of CBs who start week-in, week-out in the Premier League who are a similar standard or worse and they do a decent job. Again, it all falls down when we lack the right structure and energy as a team

That said, Lindelof and Martinez were collectively at fault for the 3rd, that was basically an unforced giveaway by Martinez and nothing defending from Lindelof...but by that point we've already leaked two goals anyway through collective failings
 
Frank Grimes said:
One has to be better than the other though. This idea that there is no difference seems dense to me.
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It's not that there's no difference, they do have different styles of play. The point is their overall level across all areas is deficient, and at PL level they're always going to get exposed one way or the other if the expectation is top 4 level defending. Whether it's Lindelof and his weakness in confrontation, backing away etc, or Maguire in a high line. I wouldn't say Lindelof is good in a high line either because of the duels, but he's a bit better at the expense of aerial prowess.

It's all swings and roundabouts. I agreed with playing Maguire against West Ham to counter Scamacca and Lindelof was probably the call today even though he had a bad game, the logic made sense today as Watkins is mobile.
 
Lindelof had dodgy game today but he is levels above Maguire. Regarding central defender solution, order should be;
Varane
Lisandro
Lindelof
Shaw
McT
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Dubravka



Maguire
 
Abraxas said:
It's not that there's no difference, they do have different styles of play. The point is their overall level across all areas is deficient, and at PL level they're always going to get exposed one way or the other if the expectation is top 4 level defending. Whether it's Lindelof and his weakness in confrontation, backing away etc, or Maguire in a high line. I wouldn't say Lindelof is good in a high line either because of the duels, but he's a bit better at the expense of aerial prowess.

It's all swings and roundabouts. I agreed with playing Maguire against West Ham to counter Scamacca and Lindelof was probably the call today even though he had a bad game, the logic made sense today as Watkins is mobile.
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Maguire is better one on one than Lindelof though, at least he makes a tackle and stops the play. Lindelof does nothing but back away. Too passive.

It's not like Villa weren't going to be a threat from set pieces either with Mings and Konsa and even Dendoncker. As it happens that wasn't the reason we lost today but on another day it could have. I actually don't think Lindelof is particularly good at any facet of the game. His pluses are negligible if they even exist to begin with.

Also don't think the center back position is a position you can swap around willy nilly based on opposition. Pick one and leave the other one for the cup games.
 
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