Liam Delap

Raoul said:
If he gets to 18, it would be much more impressive imo.

Ideally, some of them would be outfield goals against the current top 5. So far, he has one goal against Villa early in the season when they were briefly in 3rd and a penalty against Chelsea. The rest are mostly against mid and lower half table sides.
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I’m not too concerned with scoring goals against ‘’top 5’’. Against the top teams means Ipswich are likely scoring them from counter attack. We want to build a team based on possession based so if he can score goals against mid and lower half table sides is also something we are looking for because we have been struggling scoring goals against mid table teams and teams that sit back more.

I will also take goals from corner and free kick. So Another 5 non-penalty goals plus 1 penalty goal to make it 18 league goals in total would be impressive.
 
Leftback99 said:
Who guarantees that in the PL that we could realistically afford?
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Apart from maybe 10 strikers in the world - noone guarantees it. But my point is this - if a player has scored 15 goals a couple of seasons in a row, he is more likely to succeed than a young player who has scored 12-13 goals (including 5-6 penalties) once. And as I pointed out before - what we should do is spend big on a striker that guarantees us goals. Every other position we can afford to gamble a bit - if we need another central defender - we can afford to buy a young third-choice for £25 million. If we need a right wing-back - same thing. We can afford to buy a talent who is not the finish article. With the risk of him possibly never reaching the highest level.

But if we had a striker this season who scored 15 goals - we would most likely be in with a shout for a place in the C.L. And if we improve next year in other areas - and in addition get a striker who can scored goals - we are up there there. If we sign Liam Delap and he scores 8-9 goals - we wont.

Some strikers to sign:

I am not saying Jonathan David is my dream-striker but he ticks a lot of boxes - he is on a free - his injury-record is impressive. He has played over 40 matches every season. And he has scored 1 goal pr 2 league matches during his 5 seasons in France. Signing him (or at least trying since we will have competition) makes a lot more sense than Delap

Matteo Retegui has been insane in Serie A this season - 25 years old. No idea what he will cost - but probably not a lot more than Delap.

The more logical choice - Gyökeres. Realistically he will cost £60 million - but he will guarantee goals. With the form Rashford is in - it's not unrealistic that we can sell Rashford for almost same amount that it will cost us to sign Gyökeres

Samu Omorodion Aghehowa - from the same league as Gyökeres. More risky as he is more inexperienced but has a lot of potential. Cheaper but wont guarantee goals like Gyökeres.
 
Hello @Sporting CP Fan @Sly @abraz79 hope you guys are doing great, I have some questions regarding a player that you probably never expect me to ask.

What kind of player Paulinho was when he played at sporting under Amorim? He was his main striker before Gyokeres joined. After Gyokeres joined, Amorim played Paulinho more as L10 right, so what was his role as L10 last season? Did he play like second striker and attacking spaces? Or he drop deeps a lot to carry the ball from deep area to final third?

Based on transfermarkt that last season Paulinho featured 28x as LW scored 11 goals and 3 assists. It’s an interesting to know. May be if we sign both Gyokeres and Delap, we might use Delap in similar role how Amorim uses Paulinho. Backup striker and rotation L10.
 
lysglimt said:
Apart from maybe 10 strikers in the world - noone guarantees it. But my point is this - if a player has scored 15 goals a couple of seasons in a row, he is more likely to succeed than a young player who has scored 12-13 goals (including 5-6 penalties) once. And as I pointed out before - what we should do is spend big on a striker that guarantees us goals. Every other position we can afford to gamble a bit - if we need another central defender - we can afford to buy a young third-choice for £25 million. If we need a right wing-back - same thing. We can afford to buy a talent who is not the finish article. With the risk of him possibly never reaching the highest level.

But if we had a striker this season who scored 15 goals - we would most likely be in with a shout for a place in the C.L. And if we improve next year in other areas - and in addition get a striker who can scored goals - we are up there there. If we sign Liam Delap and he scores 8-9 goals - we wont.

Some strikers to sign:

I am not saying Jonathan David is my dream-striker but he ticks a lot of boxes - he is on a free - his injury-record is impressive. He has played over 40 matches every season. And he has scored 1 goal pr 2 league matches during his 5 seasons in France. Signing him (or at least trying since we will have competition) makes a lot more sense than Delap

Matteo Retegui has been insane in Serie A this season - 25 years old. No idea what he will cost - but probably not a lot more than Delap.

The more logical choice - Gyökeres. Realistically he will cost £60 million - but he will guarantee goals. With the form Rashford is in - it's not unrealistic that we can sell Rashford for almost same amount that it will cost us to sign Gyökeres

Samu Omorodion Aghehowa - from the same league as Gyökeres. More risky as he is more inexperienced but has a lot of potential. Cheaper but wont guarantee goals like Gyökeres.
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I have to disagree with that bolder statement. Delap is more proven in PL than David. PL is a highly physical and high pace league. Based on just eye test, he doesn’t look like he has the physique built for PL striker. Even for free, David is still considered as less sense signing than Delap because there is more doubt that David’s style of play could fit in PL (never mind about top team, he might not even fit in the lesser team of PL).

And if David ends up not good enough then there is no guarantee that a club will sign him back. If there is then it would be a club from ligue 1 but they don’t have the same budget as PL clubs to afford both transfer fees and wages. On the other hand, at least if Delap is not good enough, there will still be buyers from PL teams who want to buy him for decent fees (depends on his wages) because he has shown his quality with Ipswich.

Basically, to determine more sense or less sense, I would look into the players’ profile and take into account if his profile will fit in PL. Someone like Osimhen and Gyokeres might not have PL experience but they look like they have the physique built for PL striker. Very Strong, aggressive, and quick. So it’s not just the record, stats and the numbers.
 
Even if he hit 30 goals I still wouldn't want him. Arrogance already and imagine if he signed for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Not for me. Stick with Rasmus and get experienced striker in. By that I mean one who is ready now and not another stop gap 30 odd year old player.
 
Raoul said:
Keeping Hojlund, who still has some degree of resale value, isn't a good idea. He barely scores, so retaining him as if he could be effective if someone like Gyokeres or Osimhen get injured wouldn't make sense. Right now, i have more confidence in Obi scoring than either Hojlund or Zirkzee.
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Agree with you 100%, but if I know anything about our owners, or INEOS for that matter, I think we can forget them selling Hojlund and taking a huge loss on it. These people are all about money, mnoney, money
 
NewGlory said:
Agree with you 100%, but if I know anything about our owners, or INEOS for that matter, I think we can forget them selling Hojlund and taking a huge loss on it. These people are all about money, mnoney, money
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I think if they are going to sell him, the fees they are asking will be at least how much money or debt left we haven’t pay to Atalanta to close out the cheque book.
 
Lash said:
Not sure how people can claim Gyorkeres is more likely to adapt to the pressure of United than Delap. At least we know for a fact Delap can do it in the prem. There's absolutely no guarantee Gyorkeres will adapt to the prem, let alone United.

I was sold on this guy earlier in the season and I think he's still the most obvious option if Ipswich go down.
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Gyokeres did it in the championship too though. I seriously doubt the epl would be an issue for him adaptation wise. Like ALL signings though adapting to the club itself and the pressures of the lead striker shirt is another matter. Off all the signings we are linked with strictly Osimhen has carried a club with a 9 shirt that carried pressure nigh as heavy as that at United.
 
Red_Manc_M15 said:
Even if he hit 30 goals I still wouldn't want him. Arrogance already and imagine if he signed for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Not for me. Stick with Rasmus and get experienced striker in. By that I mean one who is ready now and not another stop gap 30 odd year old player.
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In fairness a stop gap Cavani or Ibra would make a massive instant impression on this team- there just doesn't seem to be any of those types around anymore.
 
JE-365 said:
I have to disagree with that bolder statement. Delap is more proven in PL than David. PL is a highly physical and high pace league. Based on just eye test, he doesn’t look like he has the physique built for PL striker. Even for free, David is still considered as less sense signing than Delap because there is more doubt that David’s style of play could fit in PL (never mind about top team, he might not even fit in the lesser team of PL).

And if David ends up not good enough then there is no guarantee that a club will sign him back. If there is then it would be a club from ligue 1 but they don’t have the same budget as PL clubs to afford both transfer fees and wages. On the other hand, at least if Delap is not good enough, there will still be buyers from PL teams who want to buy him for decent fees (depends on his wages) because he has shown his quality with Ipswich.

Basically, to determine more sense or less sense, I would look into the players’ profile and take into account if his profile will fit in PL. Someone like Osimhen and Gyokeres might not have PL experience but they look like they have the physique built for PL striker. Very Strong, aggressive, and quick. So it’s not just the record, stats and the numbers.
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Let me ask you this - are you convinced that Liam Delap will score 15-20 goals each season ?

As for not wanting to sign him back ? What has that got to do with anything - he is available on a free transfer, while Delap will cost £40-50 million
 
JE-365 said:
I think if they are going to sell him, the fees they are asking will be at least how much money or debt left we haven’t pay to Atalanta to close out the cheque book.
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If they decide to sell, they will have to sell for as much as somebody is willing to pay, because that is how markets work. What that number is - is anybody's guess

As for "at least how much money we still owe Atalanta"... if they sell for that much, it will still be loss FFP/PSR-wise, so financially that number is not necessarily a good one.
 
lysglimt said:
Let me ask you this - are you convinced that Liam Delap will score 15-20 goals each season ?

As for not wanting to sign him back ? What has that got to do with anything - he is available on a free transfer, while Delap will cost £40-50 million
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I’m not convinced yet hence why I prefer Gyokeres or Osimhen or even Mateta, but I know Delap’s profile will fit to PL style of play (demand) because his style of play is very physical, use his strength very well, aggressive, and quick. I’m not convinced that David will score 15-20 goals each season in PL and I’m also not convinced that David will fit to PL’s demands. So that’s already 2 downsides.

Therefore, that makes Delap fits the profile more than David, which means he has higher chance to make it in PL than David. Even if Delap can’t score 15-20 league goals but he has higher chance than David to be at least be good enough as no 2, while if a player can’t fit to the PL’s style of play then I don’t think that player will even be good enough as no 2.

My point is we shouldn’t just add players to the squad just because they are free, it doesn’t make sense. We should add players to the squad if they have the profile that fits to PL’s demand, that makes more sense.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Jonathan David literally has the same physical (pace and all) and stylr profile of Ollie Watkins. Whilst being a narurally better finisher. I'd be very suprised if he didn't take to the epl like a fish to water for anyone who'd dare bag him.
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Whoscored listed David’s aerial duel as his weakness, which the area that Watkins is not weak at. Fbref also reflects to his low number in aerial duel.

Surely, we shouldn’t even be entertained to add another striker who is weak with aerial duel. It’s also an important aspect to be striker in PL.
 
JE-365 said:
Whoscored listed David’s aerial duel as his weakness, which the area that Watkins is not weak at. Fbref also reflects to his low number in aerial duel.

Surely, we shouldn’t even be entertained to add another striker who is weak with aerial duel. It’s also an important aspect to be striker in PL.
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In my view David would suit our inside forward profile. On a free he'd be a very astute replacement of someone like Rashford. Up top I'd still pick Delap over
nigh anyone else because of player profile, age and price. (He reminds me alot of Vardy whose 9 style suits amorim best).

For I remain completely convinced we need to invest more heavily in our inside forward areas to significantly improve our creativity if we have any desire to improve. Rather than break the bank on a Gyokeres or Osimhen..

I also believe Frimpong should be a priority purchase for us due to price. In a bid to improve our creativity.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
In my view David would suit our inside forward profile. On a free he'd be a very astute replacement of someone like Rashford. Up top I'd still pick Delap over
nigh anyone else because of player profile, age and price. (He reminds me alot of Vardy whose 9 style suits amorim best).

For I remain completely convinced we need to invest more heavily in our inside forward areas to significantly improve our creativity if we have any desire to improve. Rather than break the bank on a Gyokeres or Osimhen..

I also believe Frimpong should be a priority purchase for us due to price. In a bid to improve our creativity.
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I need to see more of him to judge him as L10. But if you want him as L10 to significantly improve creativity then how is he going to be the creative player for our no 9? He spent most of his career as no 9 and the fact that his assist numbers are low then he hasn’t been used to be the creative players.

But as no 9, I don’t think David will fit the PL profile. His aerial duel as his weakness alone already more than enough to place Delap as better option and makes more sense option than David.
 
JE-365 said:
I need to see more of him to judge him as L10. But if you want him as L10 to significantly improve creativity then how is he going to be the creative player for our no 9? He spent most of his career as no 9 and the fact that his assist numbers are low then he hasn’t been used to be the creative players.

But as no 9, I don’t think David will fit the PL profile. His aerial duel as his weakness alone already more than enough to place Delap as better option and makes more sense option than David.
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As a player he'd operate similar to Rashford in his purple patch season. But with the work rate Rashford last had at 22. For he was originally a winger. As a player he to is currently about as creative as Dorku at City in terms of chance creation. Yet that is whilst playing as a sole 9 up against 2 CBS.


I feel it would increase if he were playing off a 9 and supported by a wingback. And as a fee transfer IMO his worth such a gamble. Especially since he can also cover the 9 position.
 
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Can someone explain to me how buying a striker guarantees goals when we don’t really create chances for the strikers we have?

Feels like buying a Lion and feeding it carrots
 
Herschel Krustofsky said:
Can someone explain to me how buying a striker guarantees goals when we don’t really create chances for the strikers we have?

Feels like buying a Lion and feeding it carrots
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It doesn’t. But we still need to buy one as well as improving other attacking positions. Especially given a CF is a big part of the chance creation machine. I don’t think it should be Delap though, not unless we sign 2 and Hojlund is sold
 
Herschel Krustofsky said:
Can someone explain to me how buying a striker guarantees goals when we don’t really create chances for the strikers we have?

Feels like buying a Lion and feeding it carrots
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Both creating chances and scoring goals are interdependent of one another.

If our #10, wide players and midfielders don’t have any confidence the striker can finish his chances, they’re not going to prioritize getting him the ball.

How many times have we seem Garncaho and Amad take matters into their own hands and seize the initiatives themselves despite Hojlund loitering with intent nearby; or seen Bruno take it upon himself to create a goal by himself.

When strikers don’t score, their support gradually lose confidence that getting them the ball will lead to goals, and as such, attempt to create goals with out them.

How many times have we seen Garnacho frustratingly shoot from the edge instead of passing to Hojlund. It’s all related to the striker not being perceived as good enough.

On the other hand, if we buy a striker who actually scores goals, then the entire buildup reorients itself by prioritizing getting them the ball with more crosses and through balls, and everything in the final third suddenly starts working like a well oiled machine once again.
 
Herschel Krustofsky said:
Can someone explain to me how buying a striker guarantees goals when we don’t really create chances for the strikers we have?

Feels like buying a Lion and feeding it carrots
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I think we should also sign new L10 and new midfielder to improve our creativity and physicality together with Top Striker.
 
VP89 said:
Doing it for a relegation fighting team so it suggests he may be a lot better than Hojlund.
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Maybe. But Man Utd only had 1,34 non-penalty goals per game last season. And Delap already have more minutes than Hojlund had last year,
 
Red_Manc_M15 said:
Even if he hit 30 goals I still wouldn't want him. Arrogance already and imagine if he signed for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Not for me. Stick with Rasmus and get experienced striker in. By that I mean one who is ready now and not another stop gap 30 odd year old player.
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Arrogance? We signed Zlatan ffs who is famously known for his arrogance, one of the most entertaining strikers over the past 20 years. Not sure what arrogance has got to do with anything as long as they bang them in.
 
Cassidy said:
And clearly no one can know that, its an opinion and a maybe not a certainty as I said
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It all depends on whether you personally rate their talent or you don't. As far as I know young talented players under world class coaching ALWAYS get sihnificantly better with age. Barring injury/ attitude problems.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
It all depends on whether you personally rate their talent or you don't. As far as I know young talented players under world class coaching ALWAYS get sihnificantly better with age. Barring injury/ attitude problems.
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No it does not. Its a maybe whether you rate them or not because no ones has a crystal ball. Why don’t you review the list of young talented players we had that didn't get better for reference to your ALWAYS argument.
 
SungSam7 said:
Arrogance? We signed Zlatan ffs who is famously known for his arrogance, one of the most entertaining strikers over the past 20 years. Not sure what arrogance has got to do with anything as long as they bang them in.
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He isn't like Zlatan at all bro. He is a nasty player bit like a Robbie Savage, Dennis Wise etc. Also he is shit. Forward Phil Jones same body type injured all his career.
 
andersj said:
Maybe. But Man Utd only had 1,34 non-penalty goals per game last season. And Delap already have more minutes than Hojlund had last year,
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Considering how shit Hojlund is this year I think it's pretty obvious that he wouldn't do as well in Ipswich.

If Hojlund is capable of 14 goals in a PL season I think it's very easy to assume Delap is, particularly because he's not far off that figure now for Ipswich.
 
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