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...some days back, SAF said that Man Utd were prepared to spend £40M on new players. Personnally I think that there are 3 players among the lot that should be taken into consideration:

(1) Ronaldinho - is getting better day by day after his injury, but still there's much room for improvement

(2) Zlatan Ibrahimovic - the 'perfect' partener for Van Nistelrooy, he's young

(3) Cisse - very powerful player, but said that he preferred to go to Arsenal and has some very bad habits (drag queen thing)

If I were SAF, I would go for one of the first two or both of them! What do you think guys and gals?
 
Cisse and Ronaldinho would be great additions but I dont know about Zlatan. I think Shevchenko would be much better up front with Ruud.
 
zlatan reminds me of cantona, the way he just takes the piss out of teams, see arsenal match.
 
Originally posted by gulli_G:
<strong>zlatan reminds me of cantona, the way he just takes the piss out of teams, see arsenal match.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't know why but I have an impression that he's the one we really need... if we don't get him now he'll definitely do us a lot of harm in a very near future. I see magic in him.
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Id sooner see him go for torres... he's only 19 bags of skill... sets up as well as scores goals... and quite frankly he's shit hot
 
Originally posted by dmode:
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(2) Zlatan Ibrahimovic - the 'perfect' partener for Van Nistelrooy, he's young
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You know what we call him? Sladan Ikkantochniets (= Hit-me I-can't-do-anything-right)
He's famous for his freestyle wrestling and the Amsterdam Admirals already offered him a contract coz he kicks all the balls out of the Arena.

He's really shit.
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Originally posted by PSV Rulezzz:
<strong>He's really shit.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Are we talking about the same player?!? I saw him play several times and I should say that my first impression is not quite the same as yours. This guy's very good. Maybe it's just b'cause you're a PSV fan?
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I wouldn't be worried about what PSV fans call him.
 
Originally posted by dmode:
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Are we talking about the same player?!? I saw him play several times and I should say that my first impression is not quite the same as yours. This guy's very good. Maybe it's just b'cause you're a PSV fan?</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, of course I hate him coz he's an Ajaks-player, but if you read some other replies of me you would know that I dare to admit that I rate some Ajaks-players for their qualities.
But Zlatan is not very good. He starts to improve a little. But he still is not a class-striker. I don't have much time now, coz I have to leave for tonights game. But if I've got the time I'll try to explain what I think is wrong with Zlatan, besides his personal problems...
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Originally posted by PSV Rulezzz:
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No, of course I hate him coz he's an Ajaks-player, but if you read some other replies of me you would know that I dare to admit that I rate some Ajaks-players for their qualities.
But Zlatan is not very good. He starts to improve a little. But he still is not a class-striker. I don't have much time now, coz I have to leave for tonights game. But if I've got the time I'll try to explain what I think is wrong with Zlatan, besides his personal problems...</strong><hr></blockquote>


OK, Good luck for tonight guys.
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Originally posted by Kevin:
<strong>I wouldn't be worried about what PSV fans call him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not only PSV fans. Even Ajaks-fans...

Thnx dmode. You too.
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We all know that SAF’s plan is to play a pure striker up front with a link man roaming behind him. To play this system you need

1) a complete world class striker
2) A natural world class link man
3) Very good backups for both

Now let us see our staff

RVN fits the bill as a world class striker

Scholes is doing fine in the forward line but it is evident (Scholes is an attacking midfielder not a link man) that he cannot considered as a long term link man

OGS is heading to the wrong way of his carrier and despite being a good striker he doesn’t has all the credentials to play as a lone striker up front.

Forlan will one day be a good link man but is not yet what Manchester United is searching for the first team.

So this ends up that we need

A) World class natural link man
B) A superb striker that will act as RVN backup

On the link man’s issue there is no doubt that Ronaldinho is what we are searching for. He is a natural talent, versatile, young and filled with class. While world class link men usually cost a staggering price (Imagine the prices of Raul, Del Piero and Totti) Ronaldinho’s problems with his club permits us to bring him at OT at a reasonable price (15m – 20m region)

The striker’s issue is far more delicate. On one hand you are searching for a world class striker who is capable to play the lone striker’s role (its very difficult to play alone up front) on the other hand you need to find a striker who will accept to stay behind RVN’s shadow. Sorry but while I think that Ibrahamovic and Cisse are great strikers I don’t think that they will accept this situation.

My choice would go on Adriano. The Brazilian scarlet is considered by many as the next Ronaldo and despite being very young he had already proved his worth while on loan at Parma. He is powerful but equally pacey and he has the reputation of being a natural top scorer. As stated Adriano currently play with Parma with a formation very similar to ours (he is their lone striker helped by Mutu that acts as a link man) and he had already impressed a lot scoring tons of goals in the Serie A. Inter wants him back but there are two big problems in their path

a) He is already closed by Recoba, Vieri , Kallon and Crespo
b) They had sold half of his contract to Parma and they are finding it very difficult to buy it back

With arch enemies Juventus and Milan eyeing this new talent, Inter could see Manchester United as the ideal place to “get rid” of their scarlet and the fact that he has an Italian passport will make things more interesting
 
I agree that we need a striker that can play RVNs' role when needed, yet compliment him in a striking partnership.
To play the lone striker requires physique, but as RVNs' partner he needs to be pressuring the defence, dribbling, running at them, a really threatening and penetrating forward.
Ronaldinho would be a great provider and creator to the main striker, can't think of a better player to play that role, but always needs a more orthodox forward to play with. And he sounds like a mixed bag; great talent, but lightweight, fairweather player, primadonna, disco playboy?
A more conventional forward would be my first choice, physical enough to play alone up front, but with the skill and pace to compliment RVN.
I'm not familiar with Adriano, but Cisse does fit the bill; he can hold the ball, and stretch the defence, he has a rocket of a shot- and RVN there to mop up.
 
Originally posted by PSV Rulezzz:
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No, of course I hate him coz he's an Ajaks-player, but if you read some other replies of me you would know that I dare to admit that I rate some Ajaks-players for their qualities.
But Zlatan is not very good. He starts to improve a little. But he still is not a class-striker. I don't have much time now, coz I have to leave for tonights game. But if I've got the time I'll try to explain what I think is wrong with Zlatan, besides his personal problems...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ah well, at least Zlatan scores in Europe, unlike Kezman... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Zlatan = Magic :cool:
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Originally posted by no° 23:
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Zlatan = Magic :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>

id agree with that, anytime ive seen him play he's been class. Hes got a big future at whoever gets him next.
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Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>With arch enemies Juventus and Milan eyeing this new talent, Inter could see Manchester United as the ideal place to “get rid” of their scarlet and the fact that he has an Italian passport will make things more interesting.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've never noticed (or heard of) him! I'll try to keep an eye on him and if you prove right I'll ask SAF to get him ASAP. Is he a friend of yours or what?
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Originally posted by no° 23:
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Ah well, at least Zlatan scores in Europe, unlike Kezman... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Zlatan = Magic :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>

One question: Who scored the most goals in the League? (MORE THAN TWICE AS MUCH AS ZLATAN)
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As promised my view on Zladan Ikkantochniets. (I have to admit it's a bit coloured coz I'm a PSVsupporter and coz I hate everything which has to do with Ajaks, but I'll try to be objective)

He's tall and has quite reasonable footskills (I hope you understand what I mean, coz I don't know all the real terms). Still, I think he doesn't use his body in the right way. If he would, he might be better. He tries to sneak away from his opponent, but he's not good (enough) at it!
He misses an awful lot of chances as well. He played most of the games, but he isn't even clubtopscoorer! Kezman has scored more than twice as many!
And I'm not saying Kezman is a worldclass striker coz indeed he hasn't scored in Europe when he had to, but I still think Kezman is much better than Zlatan.
The main reason has something to do with passion and working hard for every ball. Ruud does that too. He always runs after every ball and tries to get it. Kezman does that as well. Zlatan is kind of lazy at that point. And when he is in a struggle for a ball he gets mean and unfair. But I have to admit that behaviour is improving. But in the beginning of the season he knocked everybody down and used his elbows to get past a defender.
He's also famous for his friendships with his fellowteammates (especially the Swedish ones). Latest incident is Mido throwing sciccors at him (I don't think he would do that without a reason)

And besides that he's arrogant, but that's maybe a Ajaks-PSV problem and that hasn't got to do much with the partnerthing of Ruud.

And giggzy, please come with a serious argument. I think you've almost never seen Kezza play. But maybe this will help:
<a href="http://www.psvonline.nl/mutelayout/web/pages/downloads/Filmpjes/MooisteGoals/KezmanManUtd.mpeg" target="_blank">KEZZA!!!</a>
 
You can find some useful info on Adriano on this site

<a href="http://parma.soccerage.com/ENG_giocatore693.asp" target="_blank">http://parma.soccerage.com/ENG_giocatore693.asp</a>

Ok he is not the finishing product like Cisse and co. But unlike Cisse he will be more than happy to remain as RVN’s cover and will not disrupt SAF’s 4-5-1 formation

Another good striker who would fit perfectly in our requirements is Lecce hot striker Chervanton.. The 22 year old Uruguayan international had scored a staggering 11 goals in 27 matches in the Serie A, and netted another rain of goals in the Serie B. He is courted by several Italian top clubs and with Adriano
And Miccoli (already snatched by Juventus) he is considered as one of the hottest young strikers in Italy
 
What about Ayegbeni? Could he get work permit? I've heard he is in Portmouth by loan. I've heard that SAF is interested in him. I don't know, is it true?
 
Originally posted by PSV Rulezzz:

He's tall and has quite reasonable footskills (I hope you understand what I mean, coz I don't know all the real terms). Still, I think he doesn't use his body in the right way. If he would, he might be better. <hr></blockquote>

Yep, he is tall and has GREAT skills. At the moment he uses his body like it has to, last year he didn't use is the right way, now he does. Now there are hardly any defenders who can get him off the ball when he has control over it..

Originally posted by PSV Rulezzz:

He misses an awful lot of chances as well. He played most of the games, but he isn't even clubtopscoorer! Kezman has scored more than twice as many! And I'm not saying Kezman is a worldclass striker coz indeed he hasn't scored in Europe when he had to, but I still think Kezman is much better than Zlatan.<hr></blockquote>

Kezman is a better finisher(well, at least in the Dutch League.. :rolleyes: ), but football is more than only scoring. And in those other things Zlatan is way better than Kezman. I mean, why doesn't Kezman score in Europe?? Cause he can't get to the ball, physicly he's weak and if he gets a ball he can't create himself a chance with it. A thing Zlatan can do..

BTW: Zlatan is clubtopscorer... :)

Originally posted by giggzy:

Come on! Kezman's not fit to lace Zlatan's boots!<hr></blockquote>

That's right! :)
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Originally posted by no° 23:
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Kezman is a better finisher(well, at least in the Dutch League.. ), but football is more than only scoring. And in those other things Zlatan is way better than Kezman. I mean, why doesn't Kezman score in Europe?? Cause he can't get to the ball, physicly he's weak and if he gets a ball he can't create himself a chance with it. A thing Zlatan can do..

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Kezman is a better finisher and he works MUCH harder. Just take a look at yesterday's match of PSV. Every time Gentenaar (g/k of NEC) had the ball, Kezman was chasing him and four times Gentenaar lost the ball to a PSV player who was in a nice position.
And since Hiddink came to PSV Kezman MAY NOT get the ball at the midfield. He has to wait in the first line for the ball. And because of his wicked style of running, he creates his opportunities. And of course Kezman has not such a strong body as Zlatan and of course Kezman isn't stronger than the defender. But is Zlatan faster than Kezman? Is Zlatan just a hard worker like Kezman?

You just can't compare them, coz they are different...
But still I don't think either of them is suited to be Ruuds partner.
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I hope no-one is expecting a saviour, whoever we buy.

Every player, whoever it is, will have good games and bad, and no-one comes with any guarantees.

We'll get who we get.
 
I agree with devilish here, Adriano has tons of potential and would provide excellent backup for RVN. Decent dribbler, very good heading the ball, fast, top-rate shooter and hard working. Showed flashes of his talent last season at Inter and is currently doing the business for Parma. He's only 21 or 22 so the best from him is still to come.
 
Originally posted by Dominant:
<strong>frankly speaking, kezman is SHITE.</strong><hr></blockquote>

frankly speaking, you know NOTHING about football.

And as I said, Kezman is not good enough for MU, but for PSV he is.
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(3) Cisse - very powerful player, but said that he preferred to go to Arsenal and has some very bad habits (drag queen thing)[/QB]<hr></blockquote>Cisse's a drag queen?? How do you know??
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Originally posted by Mr_Wood:
<strong>Cisse's a drag queen?? How do you know??</strong><hr></blockquote>

what a laod of fecking bananas again. once more for the eedjits, cisse was asked in an interview if he could be anything other than what he was for a day, and he replied he would like to be a woman for the day.
any man who wouldnt like to be a woman for a day, with all the extra toys one would amuse oneself with :D would have to be thick, gay or Barymore.
ok cisse wears odd clothes but so does becks and i prefer these types to stephen gerard hoofers with their brickie mentality and nice military haircuts :cool:
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Originally posted by LenSharkey:
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ok cisse wears odd clothes but so does becks and i prefer these types to stephen gerard hoofers with their brickie mentality and nice military haircuts :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Too true, Cisse is a charismatic player, and I'd expect he would attract a strong following.
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