Larnell Cole

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Didnt see the Youth Cup match the other night but heard he was impressive again. Not sure if its just me but everytime Ive seen him play since he broke into the academy side he looks like a player. Very effcient in possession, tidy on the ball. Keeps things nice and simple, hes a team player who doesnt tend to get the headlines in match reports etc. It think hes very capable of making an impact for the reserves soon.

Id love to see another local lad make the grade, How do our resident experts rate him?
 
Looks tidy, clever and quick. Never seen him in a full match though.
 
He hasn't featured that heavily this season as the midfield is pretty competitive however whenever he has played he's looked a good player - he has a few tricks to find space, a good change of pace, good touch and efficient passer. I think he'll probably have more impact next season as he's still not really developed physically (like Lingard) compared to many of the others of his age group.
 
Both Cole and Jesse Lingard are very small, physically, so it should be no surprise that they sometimes struggle to impose themselves in the academy games (which, to be fair, are fairly new for both of them) on smaller pitches against the type of players, physically, that most of our opponents appear to look for, these days. We should applaud the club for signing players, regardless of their physical attributes, because all too often there appears to be a reluctance to do so, I would imagine, because people have trouble envisioning how a player will develop, physically, whereas that is not as relevant when a player is already physically impressive.

One thing that I have noticed, which is a really good sign, is how well the current academy players have adapted to the bigger pitches in stadiums. Many of them appear to be even better, technically, than I had previously thought, when they have more space to express themselves. The academy games are always slightly more congested, which often leads to well contested games, but it does tend to lead to more turnovers in possession.

And that likely encourages players to release the ball quickly for fear of losing it, instead of attempting to take players on or to try an outrageous pass or piece of skill. I have mixed feelings about whether that is a good thing or not, because young players need the space to express themselves, if, as is clearly the case, you want that talent to translate well in to the first team environment. It might sound simplistic, but the saying that practice makes perfect probably does apply here, and if a player never really expresses himself fully in youth matches due to the competitiveness of the games and the lack of space, I really don't see how you can then expect them to do it as they move up the levels.

However, I can also see how well contested games provides a real challenge, even when the opponent is not as talented, and that, as long as players are encouraged to express themselves, the lack of space might be beneficial, to some extent. I guess that there needs to be a balance.
 
Both Cole and Jesse Lingard are very small, physically, so it should be no surprise that they sometimes struggle to impose themselves in the academy games (which, to be fair, are fairly new for both of them) on smaller pitches against the type of players, physically, that most of our opponents appear to look for, these days. We should applaud the club for signing players, regardless of their physical attributes, because all too often there appears to be a reluctance to do so, I would imagine, because people have trouble envisioning how a player will develop, physically, whereas that is not as relevant when a player is already physically impressive.

One thing that I have noticed, which is a really good sign, is how well the current academy players have adapted to the bigger pitches in stadiums. Many of them appear to be even better, technically, than I had previously thought, when they have more space to express themselves. The academy games are always slightly more congested, which often leads to well contested games, but it does tend to lead to more turnovers in possession.

And that likely encourages players to release the ball quickly for fear of losing it, instead of attempting to take players on or to try an outrageous pass or piece of skill. I have mixed feelings about whether that is a good thing or not, because young players need the space to express themselves, if, as is clearly the case, you want that talent to translate well in to the first team environment. It might sound simplistic, but the saying that practice makes perfect probably does apply here, and if a player never really expresses himself fully in youth matches due to the competitiveness of the games and the lack of space, I really don't see how you can then expect them to do it as they move up the levels.

However, I can also see how well contested games provides a real challenge, even when the opponent is not as talented, and that, as long as players are encouraged to express themselves, the lack of space might be beneficial, to some extent. I guess that there needs to be a balance.

I have to say, I think you have it completely wrong to be honest. Playing on "smaller" pitches regularly means that a player's technique is more on show because you don't really get anywhere playing long balls etc, the players with the best touch and control get noticed. This has been clear with players like Welbeck, Petrucci and Morrison who have all looked a cut above the rest on Academy pitches (which aren't even that small) as the slightly smaller area means that their ball skills are more on show. That applies for loads of things in a more confined or concentrated environment.

Also, I'm pretty sure coaches here in England have started playing youth games on smaller pitches and 5-a-sides - holding back on allowing young kids from playing on proper, full sized pitches so that their technique, control etc improves before they adapt their game to the bigger environment.
 
I have to agree with Virtuoso.

United use a 'cage' at Carrington as well which can have 30+ players on it (if I remember correctly) and the kids only have a few touches on the ball. It is supposed to teach them how to find space and also to challenge their touch and playing at a high tempo under pressure so really challenges their technique.
 
I have to say, I think you have it completely wrong to be honest. Playing on "smaller" pitches regularly means that a player's technique is more on show because you don't really get anywhere playing long balls etc, the players with the best touch and control get noticed. This has been clear with players like Welbeck, Petrucci and Morrison who have all looked a cut above the rest on Academy pitches (which aren't even that small) as the slightly smaller area means that their ball skills are more on show. That applies for loads of things in a more confined or concentrated environment.

Also, I'm pretty sure coaches here in England have started playing youth games on smaller pitches and 5-a-sides - holding back on allowing young kids from playing on proper, full sized pitches so that their technique, control etc improves before they adapt their game to the bigger environment.

Although it is my own fault for not not being clear enough, you have misunderstood the point that I am making.

Small pitches are used for developing very young players between the ages of 8-14 years old. However, the other crucial aspect of those techniques which you have alluded to is that they include small sided games. The intention is fairly clear. The more often you are able to touch the ball, the more natural possession of the football should become. This has been known for years, and it is a good thing that it is now being applied in England, even if it came very late.

However, that doesn't necessarily translate to an 11 aside competitive fixture at U18's level, because the players are at a completely different developmental stage: for example, a players core technical attributes are not going to dramatically improve between the ages of 17-18, which is why those techniques are used mainly at an earlier age. And in any case, the pitches are easily big enough to play long balls if you so wish, and it being an 11 a-side game, the number of touches are going to be similar to a first team match, so the comparison is misleading.

It's important to think about what the actual goals are at the different stages of development. Players that are between 16-18 years of age are starting to prepare for a professional career. Their core technical attributes are already in place, even if they have not yet fully matured, and you are attempting to encourage them to express those talents in a real football environment.

I have a post about this that I started a few weeks ago but haven't yet finished, but as we are talking about it, I might as well explain roughly what I believe. There has to be an optimal (range of) pace and physicality which best encourages players to express themselves fully. If it is too quick and too physical and there is too little space, it won't matter how technically gifted you are, because far too much of an advantage has been afforded to the players who are often less technically gifted, but are athletically and physically impressive. Those players and teams will be able to close you down and place you under extreme pressure, meaning that (especially) young players will find little encouragement to try things, for fear of losing the ball and conceding a goal. That doesn't matter at other stages of development, whereas it becomes more and more important as you mature in to a professional.

As an example, even Lionel Messi can struggle in games where he is double and triple marked on smaller pitches. He is obviously still more talented than everyone else, but it makes no sense to think that he can express himself fully in literally any situation. There has to be optimal conditions where you are able to see Messi at his very best, while still retaining a competitive edge to the match.

Another example is Spanish football, in general. It is almost unquestionable that La Liga is a competition that encourages technical ability and skill and possession of the ball more so than the Premier League. But why is that? The kind of players that La Liga attracts in comparison to the Premier League is one reason, of course, but many players that have played in both have admitted to these differences — and I believe that for some players, at least, we have seen it with our own eyes. So, it is more than just the players. I have my own theory, but what it comes down to is largely cultural. La Liga is a slightly slower and less physical league that rewards technical ability more so than in England. That isn't really a controversial point of view, either.

So my overall point is that you cannot expect 16-18 year old's to perform miracles in any situation. There certainly does need to be a competitive environment where players are challenged, but there also has to be a point where the environment becomes detrimental, even for the most talented players in the world. And let's remember, even if United have one or two of the more talented players in that age group, that leaves another 12 or so players out of a squad of 16 that are not necessarily as talented.

You cannot expect players to pass the ball like Xavi and Iniesta and Fabregas, or to be even half as skillful as Ronaldo and Messi, if the majority of games that they have experienced are low on technical quality and highly physical, with lots of crunching tackles, and where possession changes hands every five or six passes. Hence my remark that practice makes perfect. That not only applies on the training ground, but also in a competitive game environment.

As I experienced myself as a footballer, it's possible to be able to perform all kinds of tricks and skills during a training session, but never have the same opportunity during the first few years of competitive matches. And if that is the case, a player will concentrate on the things that you can do in a competitive match in future training sessions, because at that age, you are desperate to impress in that environment, more so than anywhere else.

So it shouldn't be surprising that the English players that make it in the Premier League are often of the type that we generally see. That's all that they know, after all. There is clearly far more to this problem than I have outlined, and I haven't mentioned the possible solution, which is what my post in the making is about, but if it was as beneficial as you seem to think, why haven't the countries that do regularly produce the best players in the world come to the same conclusion?
 
Jim Ryan on Larnell Cole and Jessie Lingard after the City match:

'It's a nice story..both of these boys came through the system of the club but they've always been very small, especially Jessie, very thin..and on some Sunday mornings they've had to take hammerings from other teams, maybe City, where their physical size has overpowered them but they've persevered and persevered and the Youth academy has persevered with them until they play on Saturday morning and they become almost unplayable, the two of them, against the same boys, probably, that were knocking them about 3 or 4 years ago..it's great for the boys, absolutely a credit to them, but it's also nice for all the Academy coaches who persevered and persevered with boys who might have been released by other clubs.'
 
Jim Ryan on Larnell Cole and Jessie Lingard after the City match:

'It's a nice story..both of these boys came through the system of the club but they've always been very small, especially Jessie, very thin..and on some Sunday mornings they've had to take hammerings from other teams, maybe City, where their physical size has overpowered them but they've persevered and persevered and the Youth academy has persevered with them until they play on Saturday morning and they become almost unplayable, the two of them, against the same boys, probably, that were knocking them about 3 or 4 years ago..it's great for the boys, absolutely a credit to them, but it's also nice for all the Academy coaches who persevered and persevered with boys who might have been released by other clubs.'

Thats a great story alright. Very similar to the sort of stories you hear about Paul Scholes on his elevation through the academy system. It's nice to see United persevere with talented youngsters that other clubs might release because of their size.
 
Looked very handy from the Youth Cup highlights against Liverpool. Good skill and pace too match. Delivered some good balls on top of that aswell.

What's the general consensus, good enough to make it? How old is he btw?
 
When you ask if he's going to make it you have to kinda step back alittle. I mean if he was pushing for a first team now, as a winger (maybe he can play other positions), he'd have to be picked ahead of Valencia, Park, Nani and so you have to be pretty damn special to get in and keep someone out. I mean it could result in an experienced player becoming unhappy and then losing him.

He's what 17/18? So theres' no rush for him but where will we be in 4/5 years time when perhaps he's ready? it's harder to see if you are a wideman. If you look at the team now, with out central midfield, it's much easier to to look at what we have and how they could fit in. In addition to that, will he have improved in that period and in addition to that - will we buy someone or bring some kid in who will be even better....

All he can do is keep at it but clearly he's faced adversity before and overcome it so what challenges lie ahead, he might be in a good position mentally to deal with them