Kylian Mbappe's love life and other football unrelated news

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The football thread got seemingly derailed.

Mbappe is dating ines rau

Anyway I'm not going to regularly check this thread so if it needed any corrections or updates just mention me or give a pm so I could fix it.
 
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Hope all goes well but the world's a horrible place

People have a poor understanding of trans experiences and issues (I won't claim to be an expert on it though)
 
I seen that somebody said in the other thead it's a rumour that's already been debunked?
 
RacingClub said:
I seen that somebody said in the other thead it's a rumour that's already been debunked?
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I don't know mate I skimmed the internet and I don’t know whether they're in a relationship or not but they were together at cannes.
 
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horsechoker said:
Hope all goes well but the world's a horrible place

People have a poor understanding of trans experiences and issues (I won't claim to be an expert on it though)
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Completely agree.

People hear trans and a lot automatically assume the person was born a male or female and decided at some point to change sex.

There are many "conditions" out there, such as DSD (development sex disorder) and even in this there are huge variations. Such as people being born looking and being raised female (ie. no male private parts) only later to find out that they have xy chromosomes and need estrogen to go through puberty - some even have small wombs yet have xy chromosomes.

Back to Mpabbe - great that this is out in the pubic and shouldn't be an issue at all nor anyone's business - but sadly it probably will be
 
As long as he is not dating a child, i think no one should care about it.

But I m sure French social media are full of banters now.
 
Red the Bear said:
I don't know mate I skimmed the internet and I know whether they're in a relationship or not but they were together at cannes.
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Me either mate, I wasn't getting on your back.

I do wonder if Marca are delving into his personal life due to all the transfer drama.
 
Red the Bear said:
To be fair the whole premise is dependent on whether you agree with that distinction or not considering how shaky it is but that's a different discussion.

Anyway you seem to have some authority here could you make a different thread for his love life so we could keep this one football related only?
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Why would I disagree with the idea that gender and sex are two different terms that describe two different things? I don't mind disagreeing with things but it has to make a little bit of sense.
 
These belong here.

giorno said:
The vast majority of transgender individuals know what they are from a very young age. You don't just wake up one day and go "Oh, you know what? I'm actually a man/woman now!"

This is also the part where i mention being attracted to a person of the same sex doesn't make you gay. Technically you're gay if you are only attracted to individuals of the same sex. Sexual preference is a fluid concept and deeply personal anyways


Genuinely asking is one thing. Coming out with overtly transphobic rethoric while claiming to have trans friends and pretending like you're not deliberately attacking transgender individuals is a whole different matter

You come across as misinformed, not as a transphobe, which is why i'm replying to you in the first place


Attraction is fluid, but context is everything. Here we are talking about a man being in a relationship with a trans woman. Man dating woman = heterosexual relationship


Depends how you ask mate. If you come here spouting transphobic crap, people will naturally react negatively to it. Pushback is inevitable
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Not addressing somebody as a woman who identifies as a woman is plainly insulting mate, however you dress it up.

Calling him bisexual also demonstrates a clear lack of understanding about what defines somebodies sexuality.

The fact that you also feel the need to go so far as to bring up biology to demonstrate your point seems to suggest you do indeed have some sort of issue. The people who feel the need to state what their personal belief is on the subject of gender identity when A) it has no relevance and adds nothing to the conversation at hand and B) when absolutely nobody asked them for their opinion, usually are the one's that have a problem.
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Guti dated a transwoman years ago. Was it mentioned much back then?
 
RacingClub said:
Me either mate, I wasn't getting on your back.

I do wonder if Marca are delving into his personal life due to all the transfer drama.
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No worries mate, I just wanted to keep the main thread football related which apparently failed at doing so :lol:
 
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Guti dated a transwoman years ago. Was it mentioned much back then?
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Fat Ronnie did too no? Or was that just a wild Brazilian night for him.

Either way, it should just be accepted. Football is not exactly a macho sport that should frown upon a footballer's sexual preference.
 
JPRouve said:
Why would I disagree with the idea that gender and sex are two different terms that describe two different things? I don't mind disagreeing with things but it has to make a little bit of sense.
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The distinction seems to be a relatively new concept which to be honest doesn't make much sense to me if anything most of the so called social norms seem to be a direct result of the biological differences in man and woman, it's the same in most animals and we do have definite proof that there's a fundamental difference between how the male and female brains function (or at least i think i read things to that effect back in them university days).

In short they're too intertwined to make such a distinction in my opinion, so if the gender or the cultural part is so pertaining to the biological part perhaps making such a classification is misleading, some seem to think like how i do but looking at the WHO description i surmised most hold your position but who knows how we'll look back at this debate many years from now, if we lasted that long to begin with.


Anyway this isn't a subject I'm particularly passionate about, it's none of my business what people do with their lives or their bodies just preferably do it after their brains are developed (which i think would be the early 20s).
 
It is true that we shouldn't care and it should be seen as normal, but we didn't reached that point yet. I think is positive that a football star is in the news dating a transgender as it gives visibility to the new generations that an idol of them dates a transgender normalizing what unfortunately is not seen normal yet
 
I do wonder how the PSG ownership will take this wouldn’t be surprised to see Mbappe sold at a cut price next season.
 
Olmer said:
Evidently, it's actually super difficult, and those who don't conform get called "transphobic cnuts" :D
Heard that people are losing jobs over that too.
Have you already asked every single Redcafe user about what pronouns they want you to use? Will they send you a notification if they wake up early in the morning and suddenly feel like their gender changed?

Also, I'm still waiting for explanation on how do I figure out if I'm heterosexual.

Also, how do you check if there is a man inside women's bathroom? Can I enter there as well? You don't know, right? Because you don't know how I identify myself, and you have no way to check...

Will not continue this after you reply, since this is way off-topic and we gotta end it somewhere. Just this food for thought should be enough.
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No they get called transphobic when they try to find any sort of ridiculous excuses to not use common sense or when they share bigoted views.

And no I have asked no one about the pronouns they want me to use, that's not how society works. Generally when you interact with people you either assume or use a neutral noun/pronoun and people will correct you or tell you how they want to be called. I reserve the rights to misgender you until you correct me, from that point I know and have no reasonable reason to misgender you.

The questions you just asked are an illustration of the problems that we have on both sides. Two minorities of people that are seemingly unable to interact with people normally. On one hand you have a subset of LGBTQ lunatics who think that people should be able to magically know everything about them without having been in an actual conversation with them and on the hand bigotted lunatics who make up weird scenarios that have no practical sense or logic, I have never been in a situation where I felt the need to decide whether someone should be in a bathroom or not and a fair amount of bathroom's that I have been to were neutral.

As for heterosexuality, personally I know which genitals interest me, I assume that it's the same for you. That's your answer.
 
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I really couldn't care less what Kylian Mbappe gets up to in his private life. If he wants to date a transwomen or a non-transwoman, whatever.
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Why did you post in the thread then?
 
JPRouve said:
No they get called transphobic when they try to find any sort of ridiculous excuses to not use common sense or when they share bigoted views.

And no I have asked no one about the pronouns they want me to use, that's not how society works. Generally when you interact with people you either assume or use a neutral noun/pronoun and people will correct you or tell you how they want to be called. I reserve the rights to misgender you until you correct me, from that point I know and have no reasonable reason to misgender you.

The questions you just asked are an illustration of the problems that we have on both sides. Two minorities of people that are seemingly unable to interact with people normally. On one hand you have a subset of LGBTQ lunatics who think that people should be able to magically know everything about them without having been in an actual conversation with them and on the hand bigotted lunatics who make up weird scenarios that have no practical sense or logic, I have never been in a situation where I felt the need to decide whether someone should be in a bathroom or not and a fair amount of bathroom's that I have been to were neutral.

As for heterosexuality, personally I know which genitals interest me, I assume that it's the same for you. That's your answer.
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You speak a lot of sense on this topic. Good post.
 
Just seen this. Good for kylian, hope they're happy.
 
At least he's allegedly picked someone over 18, which is more than we can say of some (current/former) members of the French national team.
 
I know this thread was started with the good intention of preventing the Mbappe football thread from being derailed but I think we are better it here if necessary.
 
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