keep the same team for the arsenal game,dont start veron,

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the best thing we could do is sell veron,the more we play and play well without him the more its clear we do not need him,

yes hes done ok in europe,but scholes could have done better if played in the middle like veron has been,verons not a big game player,name me a big game verons won for us?????posted missing to much,butt showed him up in the world cup too,

time for fergie to say,it was a gamble that didnt pay of signing him,

or we could give him another season to settle in, <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 
come on.


can u really say veron was diffrent class in those games,i saw them and wouldnt say he was great,nothing scholes couldnt have done?

was good in those games nothing else,but i guess a few games playing good out ways the 20 odd bad ones does it?
 
This bloke actually believes that we played well yesterday. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>This bloke actually believes that we played well yesterday. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I thought we were brilliant yesterday. It was a Cup-style game, as derbies are, and it was a battle of wills, desire, and raw physical challenges - that is a vital part of football and shouldn't be dismissed, its been a vital part of our success in the past. There were some amazing performances in the entire defence. In midfield perhaps Giggs went missing, though he was better than Gerrard! Otherwise I thought our midfield was fantastic, dangerous and committed though passing was poor - which is to be expected when there is so little time and space. And this against Liverpool, who are second in the league (but not for much longer ;) ) and with a 5 game winning run against us. We played the game perfectly. Every choice Alex could make he made right. He had the perfect defence which completely nullified the threat of Owen and Baros, and of course Heskey, although thats not hard. We prevented Liverpool from playing their game, we dealt with their counter attacking threat for once, didn't concede the first goal which would have let them shut up shop, and instead our persistence and desire paid off as we humiliated their keeper. Can't ask for more than that mate. :D
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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I thought we were brilliant yesterday. It was a Cup-style game, as derbies are, and it was a battle of wills, desire, and raw physical challenges - that is a vital part of football and shouldn't be dismissed, its been a vital part of our success in the past. There were some amazing performances in the entire defence. In midfield perhaps Giggs went missing, though he was better than Gerrard! Otherwise I thought our midfield was fantastic, dangerous and committed though passing was poor - which is to be expected when there is so little time and space. And this against Liverpool, who are second in the league (but not for much longer ;) ) and with a 5 game winning run against us. We played the game perfectly. Every choice Alex could make he made right. He had the perfect defence which completely nullified the threat of Owen and Baros, and of course Heskey, although thats not hard. We prevented Liverpool from playing their game, we dealt with their counter attacking threat for once, didn't concede the first goal which would have let them shut up shop, and instead our persistence and desire paid off as we humiliated their keeper. Can't ask for more than that mate. :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree. Remember in the previous years when we seems we could always beat the scousers, most of them we didn't win "beautifully" or totally outplayed them all thru the match. The point is that in this kind of match (such as Liverpool or Man City), it is usually won by the team which fight harder, has the most desire and will to win. We did well in this match to resist all things they threw at us and then punished them toughly when they made the mistake.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>This bloke actually believes that we played well yesterday. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

the performance was a lot to ask for considering the run we have had this year.

the fighting spirit alone should already outweigh the 'not so good performance' you claim we had. <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />

the defence was marvelous, barthez was beyond good IMO, Fortune had yet another good game, so did Ole, Scoles. Last but not least Forlan.. fortune also had a good game.. that's already much better than we've done all season long.. by this season's standard, i think we played 'well' too. :cool:
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I remember when we meet Arsenal last year, although we lost both. But still we dominated the possessions in our midfield and Arsenal were seems to be more defensive and practiced counter strategy. This year Arsenal will play more attacks to us as our midfield without Keane & Beckham. I'm very frustrated with veron as I hope when Keane or Becks doesn't play, he will be able form with scholes to keep up our priority of strong in midfield. But he failed, he did tried hard but not concentrated enough in the game. Can be assumed that a lots of time our games were spoiled by him. I think from the last two EPL matches Fortune or Forlan played much better than him in the midfield role even they didn't played with any special 'world class' skill but they do finish up their mission well enough.
I wonder why the training coaches didn't train veron how he should play in the matches. He seems like always playing all by the way of himself - not producing and spoiling ! I think we don't have the right to decide whether to play him or not be I hope that AF don't put him in unless he was ready to play in a winning team.
 
Sell him and buy joaquin and quaresmo!!!!!!!! sell him for 25million and buy joaquin for 16 million and quaresmo for 8 million....deal done!!!!
 
The team has done fantastically well in the last few games and the incumbents deserve to retain their places. There's no need to rush players who have been injured back into the side when they become available again. Fergie might want to make the odd change such as bringing back Blanc to partner Brown which means JOS might have to sit on the bench, which is barely justifiable I suppose. I would not play Veron seeing as Scholes appears to be thoroughly enjoying his role as midfield generalissimo and not having to defer to anyone else, particularly the Argentinian. Fortune has slotted into a most acceptable link role in midfield and looks wholly compatible with Scholes. Other changes are not possible anyway due to injuries. As a matter of priniciple and from a morale point of view, Fergie would probably be advised to keep exactly the same starting eleven for the Arsenal game.
 
Originally posted by Julian Denny:
<strong>The team has done fantastically well in the last few games and the incumbents deserve to retain their places. There's no need to rush players who have been injured back into the side when they become available again. Fergie might want to make the odd change such as bringing back Blanc to partner Brown which means JOS might have to sit on the bench, which is barely justifiable I suppose. I would not play Veron seeing as Scholes appears to be thoroughly enjoying his role as midfield generalissimo and not having to defer to anyone else, particularly the Argentinian. Fortune has slotted into a most acceptable link role in midfield and looks wholly compatible with Scholes. Other changes are not possible anyway due to injuries. As a matter of priniciple and from a morale point of view, Fergie would probably be advised to keep exactly the same starting eleven for the Arsenal game.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i agree with you, altho it does seem certain that if Veron is fit he will play. i'd be very surprised to see Veron on the bench, altho him missing one more game through another 'injury or flu' wouldn't surprise many fans.
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The MEN summed up our performance very well imo:
EVERYONE gets a dodgy Jerzy for Christmas...Fergie got his three weeks early!

And, with Messrs Keane, Beckham, Ferdinand, Butt, Veron and Blanc ready to unwrap themselves at Christmas time, and a pot of money being prepared for the January sales, the United boss could be in for a very happy Hogmanay.

The win at Anfield told him much of what he needed to know - that perhaps the rebuild he had darkly threatened in recent times may not be needed after all, and that an overhaul and strengthening might be nearer the mark.

Of course, the gaffer was as excited as the rest of the Red population when interviewed afterwards. "I think that was Manchester United back to its best," he said.

The hoots of derision could be heard the length and breadth of the country, as United's legions of media knockers found something to sink their teeth into.

They were snorting ridicule at Fergie's comment, pointing out that Dudek's howler had set the Reds on their way and that it was hardly the vintage, attacking United which swept all before it in the 90s.

They missed the point - completely. This WAS United at their best.

Going to Anfield at any time is difficult - to go there without Roy Keane, David Beckham, Rio Ferdinand, Laurent Blanc, Nicky Butt and Seba Veron looked like mission impossible.

Pride guys

To expect a side missing so many top performers to sweep aside Liverpool on their known turf would have been ridiculous. What Fergie, and the United fans, were looking for was guts and pride. We got that by the bucketful, and THAT is what Fergie meant by United being back to their best. It has been the missing ingredient for the last 16 months.

The players have not become average players, but there have been signs of complacency - the fire which raged within Fergie's great 90s teams had become a pilot light. It burst back into incandescent glory at Anfield.

Even in the frustrating old days when Liverpool were dominant in English football, you could be sure that United would put on a display of unmitigated passion in at least two games every season. They recaptured that spirit on Sunday.

Gary Neville, as befits someone with United blood coursing through his veins (and out of his ankles!) was titanic. He swept away his bad derby memories in 90 superb minutes of graft and application, of pain and sweat. And his teammates were carried along with him.

It was a day when fringe players stood up to be counted - Quinton Fortune lost his affable demeanour and snarled at Danny Murphy and Diego Forlan ensured legendary Red status with two goals.

Fergie had, pointedly, questioned the United old guard before this game - he had hinted at re-building a side which he feared had stuck around for too long.

Gary Neville, around longer than most, gave him his answer - rebuild if you have to, but don't take away the heart of the team.

Clearly, there is still work to be done when the transfer window reopens, with a striker still an absolute necessity.

Everyone knows that this United squad, when fully fit, is capable of anything, if it can get its attitude right and if one or two useful additions can be made.

And if the spark of passion from Anfield can ignite throughout the United ranks, and rage for the next six months, we will be in for the happiest of new years.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>the fighting spirit alone should already outweigh the 'not so good performance' you claim we had. <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I've not claimed anything as yet mr assumption.

It was a good fighting performance yes, lots of guts and passion, but we didn't play very well in the pure footballing sense. Such that Ruud was very quiet during the game.


There is a difference between a solid gutsy performance and playing football well.

What have you got to say to that then?
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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I've not claimed anything as yet mr assumption.

It was a good fighting performance yes, lots of guts and passion, but we didn't play very well in the pure footballing sense. Such that Ruud was very quiet during the game.


There is a difference between a solid gutsy performance and playing football well.

What have you got to say to that then?</strong><hr></blockquote>
By making that distinction you are almost suggesting that the physical element isn't part of 'football', which it is, in fact a very important part. You're also not taking into account that games like that weren't going to have the space for a lovely intricate passing game.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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By making that distinction you are almost suggesting that the physical element isn't part of 'football', which it is, in fact a very important part. You're also not taking into account that games like that weren't going to have the space for a lovely intricate passing game.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I did use the word "pure" implying the part of football to do with skill not strength.

And I'm not talking about space either, I'm talking about giving the ball away, making shit passes and crosses, etc. The things that you often acuse Verón of doing.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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I've not claimed anything as yet mr assumption.

It was a good fighting performance yes, lots of guts and passion, but we didn't play very well in the pure footballing sense. Such that Ruud was very quiet during the game.


There is a difference between a solid gutsy performance and playing football well.

What have you got to say to that then?</strong><hr></blockquote>

is that my new nick name Weaste? Mr. Assumption? I did graduate from Assumption University in Thailand fyi. I never thought anyone in here knew. (i'm serious btw, go look up the University list in Thailand).

and i did say our fighting spirit was high. i also didn't say we performed superbly. i merely said we did much better than we have most of this season. :)
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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I've not claimed anything as yet mr assumption.

It was a good fighting performance yes, lots of guts and passion, but we didn't play very well in the pure footballing sense. Such that Ruud was very quiet during the game.


There is a difference between a solid gutsy performance and playing football well.

What have you got to say to that then?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sell Veron

;)
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