Keane speaks again about DickMcFarthy

Ninja · Aug 12, 2002

From todays "Sun" newspaper:

ROY KEANE admits he still feels bitter and twisted over his World Cup walkout.

The Republic of Ireland star quit the finals after a bust-up with boss Mick McCarthy.

And the Manchester United hardman revealed: "I know time is a great healer and all that but it is still very raw to me. It still hurts me and I still feel bitter and twisted towards these people."

Keane said he would have played in Japan and Korea, despite voicing concerns about conditions at the Irish training camp.

But he claims he was 'set up' by McCarthy. Keane declared: "I would have played if McCarthy hadn't accused me of faking injuries. They dangled a carrot for me and I had a good nibble.

"I saw him on Football Focus saying 'I don't appreciate being called an effing w and an effing c.' But, if you say I am faking injury and letting my team-mates down, then dead right.

"To me that is the worst insult. Why hasn't anyone asked him why he said what he did and why he wanted me out?

"But the next thing you know, Steve Staunton is there in a Press conference shaking his head, saying he has never witnessed anything like it.

"He played for Liverpool under Graeme Souness and he's never heard that? And Niall Quinn. Who is he, Mother Theresa?"

In his autobiography, Keane details the explosive meeting at the Irish training camp. He claims McCarthy wanted to be surrounded by Yes men and repeatedly tried to goad him into an outburst.

Keane says he snapped when McCarthy claimed he faked injury to miss the Iran World Cup play-off.

He then revealed his exact outburst at McCarthy: "You're a f****** w*****. I didn't rate you as a player, I don't rate you as a manager and I don't rate you as a person.

"You're a f****** w***** and you can stick your World Cup up your a***. I've no respect for you."

Keane freely admits he will never play for Ireland while McCarthy is still manager. He said: "The FAI have a Yes man and Mick has his free time to go on They Think It's All Over - to be a comedian, which is what he is."

Enrique Deschamps · Aug 12, 2002

I support Keane but I really think is one of those guys that are always complaining about everything although I DO support him

Gazza · Aug 12, 2002

He's a winner and the ultimate role-model. Thank god he's a Red. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />

Gazza · Aug 12, 2002

This I think sums up the man...

"The World Cup? They did OK, but that's what they expected because the manager drums that into the team," said Keane.

"We've done well to qualify, all that nonsense. That's the problem. That sums up the mentality."

"Spain had 10 men for half an hour, the game was there for the taking. I think a more astute manager would have won the game. Some people have higher standards than others."

jamesblonde · Aug 12, 2002

Originally posted by Gazza:
This I think sums up the man...

"The World Cup? They did OK, but that's what they expected because the manager drums that into the team," said Keane.

"We've done well to qualify, all that nonsense. That's the problem. That sums up the mentality."

"Spain had 10 men for half an hour, the game was there for the taking. I think a more astute manager would have won the game. Some people have higher standards than others."<hr></blockquote>

What utter boll** from Keane. What other manager had a definite "plan b" at the WC that worked? McCarthy's tactics saved us against Cameroon, Germany and almost against Spain. He had 1st division players, a player with no club and reserve Premiership players up against the giants of the Primera Liga and we were better than them. Keane will never make half the coach and man manager McCarthy is, as he cant even manage himself. He throws tantrums (I'm quitting Utd/Ireland) and expects people around him to talk him out of it (Ferguson yes, McCarthy no).
Have some objectivity people

True Treble Reds · Aug 12, 2002

Originally posted by jamesblonde:
Keane will never make half the coach and man manager McCarthy is,<hr></blockquote> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Amir · Aug 12, 2002

Originally posted by jamesblonde:

Have some objectivity people
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I'm trying too, and it's still comes back to this: Whether Keane is totally right or totally wrong, he is certainly in the right direction.

In a world cup where Turkey and South Korea qualified to the semi finals, surely there was every reason for huge ambition.

golden_blunder · Aug 12, 2002

Originally posted by Ninja:
From todays "Sun" newspaper:

"The FAI have a Yes man and Mick has his free time to go on They Think It's All Over - to be a comedian, which is what he is."<hr></blockquote>

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gulli_G · Aug 12, 2002

Keane would make an excellent manager, he's been there and doen it, has the ambition and drive like fergie does, even has fergei early years temper.

Just needs to pass the coachingg course and he's a future united manager in the making. maybe could be number two under the next manager. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />

Red_For_Life · Aug 12, 2002

Originally posted by jamesblonde:


What utter boll** from Keane. What other manager had a definite "plan b" at the WC that worked? McCarthy's tactics saved us against Cameroon, Germany and almost against Spain. He had 1st division players, a player with no club and reserve Premiership players up against the giants of the Primera Liga and we were better than them. Keane will never make half the coach and man manager McCarthy is, as he cant even manage himself. He throws tantrums (I'm quitting Utd/Ireland) and expects people around him to talk him out of it (Ferguson yes, McCarthy no).
Have some objectivity people
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You are an idiot, KEANE is one of the best midfielders in the world, his ambitions and goals are beyond his own expectations and ours, what the feck has mick mcarthy done?.

If you read some of the extracts from his book, you will Realise that he is the driving force behind Manchester United's Success, Always setting new goals and trying for greater success.
He and SAF show the same passion and desire to win. I feel really badly for Keane;

"At first I kept my mouth shut. But the rot reached the dressing room and the crowd at Old Trafford. When we were under the cosh they were quiet, as if they resented the absence of the spectacle. A goalfest, beat the s*** out of Southampton and they were swinging off the rafters. But what about the hard days? I felt we'd gone soft as a team, too, that the feeling around the place wasn't right — Premiership success was breeding complacency. Too many people around the club remained intoxicated by the Treble. Peter Schmeichel claiming we would have beaten the 1968 team 10-0 summed it up. How did he know? How could anyone? The Treble was history but people wouldn't let it go. We were kidding ourselves, talking big but not delivering. The wheels had come off.

The following year we won the League by 10 points and Bayern Munich knocked us out of Europe. I felt sick to my heart. We should have bought big after the Treble, been ruthless, gone for the best, freshened things up, attacked the complacency and let those who didn't care if they never won another trophy join the sort of clubs that don't win any. I felt flat, bitter and angry. I'd been sucked into the Premiership swamp. I told Steve McClaren how I felt. That we were gone — beating nothing in the Premiership had deceived us into thinking we were better than we really were.

He knew what I was talking about. He told me change was on the way. By last season, my inkling had become an obsession. We'd bought into the glory, our status as heroes and living legends. We won Championships by 10 points. What is wrong with you, Roy? The desire wasn't there. None of us had it.

Instead of making things happen we waited for one of the other heroes to do it for us. Come on Becks, win us a game. Scholesy, your turn. Go on, Ryan. Ruud, you can do it. Ole's good for a life-saver. While we were all waiting for each other. Nobody rocked the boat. Now and again I'd have a go, blow up in training or after a game.

I remembered the United team I joined in 1993. If you lost a game, nobody would be speaking on Monday morning. A one-game losing run was a crisis. Doom and gloom on the training ground, people kicking each other, rows, the manager effing and blinding, tension building until you had the chance to put it right. You weren't waiting for anyone else to make it happen, you grabbed it and did it yourself. We'd lost that. Doubles and Trebles had taken their toll. You could talk about new players, Steve McClaren leaving, the gaffer working his final year. The core reason was us.

Arsenal were hungrier than us. Liverpool had closed the gap, too. At Anfield in November they won 3-1 and it could have been six. We surrendered, they glowed with the kind of purpose we'd shown when we really wanted it. Owen, Gerrard, Murphy, Carragher — all Liverpool lads. They tackled with real venom, we went through the motions. Will it be different this season? I'm hoping. When you don't win a trophy it should add that bit of hunger and one thing I do know is heads will roll if we end another year with nothing.

There is no way this United team would be allowed to carry on past two years without a trophy. We did a photo shoot on Thursday and I'm not bragging but usually there is something to put at the front of the picture. We were looking at the gap and thinking: ‘We won't be here for this next season if that row is empty again'. But I've said before: ‘It's one thing to be sitting in a nice hotel sipping water and talking — and another to go out and do it. Last season we didn't grind out results. People used to say we won when we deserved to be beaten.

Last season we were just beaten. To lose six at home is scandalous by anyone's standards. You've got to be honest and to start with I'm expecting a lot more from myself. "

He said that this season he was expecting much more. "We've got a new coach, Carlos Queiroz, and he is not fazed by reputations. You can see him thinking: ‘What you've done in the past, forget about it'. That's what we want. Look at the World Cup final. The coolest man on the pitch after the final whistle? Roberto Carlos. He's just won the European Cup and the World Cup in a matter of weeks, but he's not hugging anyone, he's not crying, he's not waving flags. That's what he expects. He's thinking: ‘This is what I've trained all my life for. This is what I deserve'. He's not getting carried away with any of it.

"Then you see other clubs, big clubs, avoiding relegation and doing a lap of honour. Is that your aim in life? "We have to prove ourselves this season," he adds. "Talk is cheap."

Hornchurch Red · Aug 12, 2002

You are an idiot, KEANE is one of the best midfielders in the world, his ambitions and goals are beyond his own expectations and ours, what the feck has mick mcarthy done?. <hr></blockquote>

Didn't Mcarthy lead the Ireland team to the quater finals of the world cup in 1990. He was superb professional footballer, who inspired those around him. He then took over the reigns of the Irish manager post, when no one else wanted to fill the shoes of Big Jack. He changed the way Ireland played and has brought them upto one of the top 20 teams in the world.

Ireland has no league to speak of, and has many nationwide players to choose from, so you can't knock what Mick has done for Ireland. I'm not saying he is or was as good a player as Keane, of course he wasn't but he stood up strong when his country needed him most.

I feel that if Keane was an Arsenal player, a lot of people on here would have a different opinion of him. We need to take our club specs off, and look at the situation. People say he called Micks Irishness into question, this for me is unforgivable

seanoc · Aug 12, 2002

I feel that if Keane was an Arsenal player, a lot of people on here would have a different opinion of him. We need to take our club specs off, and look at the situation. People say he called Micks Irishness into question, this for me is unforgivable <hr></blockquote>

People say.........

If you picked up any Sunday newspaper you would have seen that Keane did not call his Irishness ( whatever the fcuk that is ?) into question.

We need to take our club specs off..... I hear there are some other football forums out there where you will get loads of people to agree with you. I'd try one dedicated to the pool or the arse...... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Red_For_Life · Aug 12, 2002

Originally posted by Hornchurch Red:


Didn't Mcarthy lead the Ireland team to the quater finals of the world cup in 1990. He was superb professional footballer, who inspired those around him. He then took over the reigns of the Irish manager post, when no one else wanted to fill the shoes of Big Jack. He changed the way Ireland played and has brought them upto one of the top 20 teams in the world.

Ireland has no league to speak of, and has many nationwide players to choose from, so you can't knock what Mick has done for Ireland. I'm not saying he is or was as good a player as Keane, of course he wasn't but he stood up strong when his country needed him most.
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I don't think many people understand what Roy Keane has been saying, He did not go to the World Cup for a piss up, He went there to WIN the world cup. He did not go to say "HEY WE REACHED THE QUARTER FINALS", his attitude was to go there and win the World Cup, while others would just be Glad enough to Qualify.

Many people who i have spoken to feel that it is because of the poor attitude of the FAI that Irish football has not had greater success. Roy's frustrations clearly came out before the world cup, To accuse KEane of faking injury is madness, anyway I can understand were he comes from. Only success will make him happy and even then he will still be thinking of his next Trophy.

Hornchurch Red · Aug 12, 2002

We need to take our club specs off..... I hear there are some other football forums out there where you will get loads of people to agree with you. I'd try one dedicated to the pool or the arse...... <hr></blockquote>

I still say, just because cockneys and scousers can't take their club specs off, doesn't mean we as Manchester United fans have to stoop to their level. I like to think of United fans being clued up. If Keane was out of order in a country matter, it doesn't matter if he plays for United, Liverpool, Stockport or whoever. Keane is saying now that he didn't call his manager an 'English cnut', but at the time the other players were shocked and ALL stood behind Mick, not Roy. That must say something.

For me this issue has nothing to do with United, this is an Irish matter, and I don't frequent scouse, cockney boards so this is where I like to hear opinions, but we must see the bigger picture.

Rory 7 · Aug 12, 2002

Originally posted by Hornchurch Red:


Didn't Mcarthy lead the Ireland team to the quater finals of the world cup in 1990. He was superb professional footballer, who inspired those around him. <hr></blockquote>

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No club specs on here mate.
He's the best footballer this country has ever produced and that is regardless of the club he plays for.

Rory 7 · Aug 12, 2002

Originally posted by Red_For_Life:


I don't think many people understand what Roy Keane has been saying, He did not go to the World Cup for a piss up, He went there to WIN the world cup. He did not go to say "HEY WE REACHED THE QUARTER FINALS", his attitude was to go there and win the World Cup, while others would just be Glad enough to Qualify.

Many people who i have spoken to feel that it is because of the poor attitude of the FAI that Irish football has not had greater success. Roy's frustrations clearly came out before the world cup, To accuse Keane of faking injury is madness, anyway I can understand were he comes from. Only success will make him happy and even then he will still be thinking of his next Trophy.<hr></blockquote>

Spot on

seanoc · Aug 12, 2002

manager an 'English cnut', but at the time the other players were shocked and ALL stood behind Mick, not Roy. That must say something. <hr></blockquote>

That was reported in the press, not one of the players was quoted as saying this is what Keane said. It does say something, but what ?

It says most of them wanted to tow the line and were afraid to go against the manager, fair enough.
It also says that alot of them don't have the drive and the balls that Keane has, hence you don't see alot of them reach the heights Keane has.
Alot of what is said about Keane in Ireland is down to begrudgery and simple smallmindedness, we've never been good at getting greatness.... and alot of Irish peoples attitude to this reflects that mentality...

The incredible absence of questioning of McCarthys role says an awful lot.

Rory 7 · Aug 12, 2002

Originally posted by Hornchurch Red:


I still say, just because cockneys and scousers can't take their club specs off, doesn't mean we as Manchester United fans have to stoop to their level. I like to think of United fans being clued up. If Keane was out of order in a country matter, it doesn't matter if he plays for United, Liverpool, Stockport or whoever. Keane is saying now that he didn't call his manager an 'English cnut', but at the time the other players were shocked and ALL stood behind Mick, not Roy. That must say something.
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It does say something. It says that Keane lost the head. It says the Irish squad stuck together to play in a WC. It says the Irish squad were a united bunch as they should be. The real question is what are the route causes -

The guy is trying to stay off drink
The guy is a winner
The guy wanted Ireland to take the WC seriously

McCarthy encouraged a piss up among the Irish lads
McCarthy viewed qualification as success
McCarthy didn't understand Keane at all
McCarhty circled the wagons and got all his lackies to intimidate every player in the Irish camp into 'sticking together'

In fairness to McCarthy he has a talent for creating unity among a squad. Unfortunately he couldn't extend his limited vision to the needs of someone like Keane. So Ireland remain wallowing in International mediocrity. The Keane-McCarthy was clearly an accident waiting to happen. Shame it had to happen at the WC.

Hornchurch Red · Aug 12, 2002

No club specs on here mate.
He's the best footballer this country has ever produced and that is regardless of the club he plays for. <hr></blockquote>

Yes, he is indeed a fine player, one of the bestalong with Brady (IMO) ever to come from Ireland. But what I look at is, the man is emotional and has a temper, is it possible he could of been out of order. Remember that ALL the other players backed Mick after hearing what Keane had to say. Are they ALL wrong, or could it be possible that Keane was in the wrong

I'm not on here to question Roys ability or drive, I'm just putting the viewpoint across that he has to respect the manager of his national side and not have a go at his nationality.

Do we really believe that Mick took the team over to Japan to go on the piss <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> He gave it a fair crack with the players he had.

Davo · Aug 12, 2002

Perhaps Keane was so outraged about the other Irish players having a beer cos he couldn't have one?

You know what they say about ex smoker being the worst when it comes to whinging about fags....

Irish in DC · Aug 12, 2002

Originally posted by Hornchurch Red:
He was superb professional footballer, who inspired those around him.<hr></blockquote>You'd know, being a siddy fan like!

<img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />

seanoc · Aug 12, 2002

I'm not on here to question Roys ability or drive, I'm just putting the viewpoint across that he has to respect the manager of his national side and not have a go at his nationality.
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Keane did not question McCarthys nationality.
None of the players have backed up the original quotes and Keane himself has denied questioning his nationality. The newspapers yesterday had the quote he used, he sid alot about not rating hime but he didn't mention McCathys "Irishness"

Hornchurch Red · Aug 12, 2002

You'd know, being a siddy fan like! <hr></blockquote>

I hope your having a laugh <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" /> I'm talking about one subject, you feel the need to spread bull shit, becasue I have a different view to you. Sorry, no I feel I can look at this objectively, and have a reasoned debate with others, respect their opinions and take on board what they are saying. A lot of what Rory 7 and others are saying is valid and educational, but I don't have to agree with every word.

I was talking about the Iriah national side, I bet you loved Mick and his nononsense approach during that world cup. Mick is a winner, a true battler, he didn't take his team out there to go on the piss. Just because Keane didn't (doesn't) like Mick he should have swallowed that ego and performed for his country. He could have retired after the worldcup and then sold his story, but to do what he did, let his country down I feel.

To talk to Mick like thatwas always going to have one result. Keane I feel will look back as an old man and regret not taking part in Japan 2002.

skillz · Aug 12, 2002

My view is this, and having recently been to Cork, and chatted to some people out there, this view is shared by most of them as well.
Basically Mick's job is to manage his team aqnd his PLAYERS. He could not do that. If he was such a good man manager why did he basically back RK into a corner?!?!? Wind up his most volatile and influential player, in front of the rest of the squad. Mick obviously had other agenda's. Roy's temprament etc is known to every person in Ireland it wouldn't take a genius to work out what was going to happen. Roy lashed out, and I would expect nothing else from him. Anyone who says that Roy was out of order, was moaning etc is missing the point. Mick didn't do his job and it is as simple as that.

golden_blunder · Aug 12, 2002

maybe this explains it a little about whats been going on for YEARS...

'keane claims he was forced to order pizza from his room the night before Irelands crucial qualifying game against Holland in Amsterdam in 2000 because the players were given cheese sandwhiches.

keane claims he had specifically asked for high energy food such as pasta, fruit and cereal.

A close friend of keanes said keane then went over to McCarthys table. The friend said "Roy asked what the hell was going on with the cheese sandwhiches?"
McCarthy shrugged his shoulders but later asked Keane "whats the f*****g matter with you?"
Keane answered: "whats the f*****g matter with me? we did a deal. we agreed everything. i come down and see the lads are eating f*****g cheese sandwhiches. Do you think Jimmy floyd Hasselbaink is ordering pizza tonight??"
Ireland went 2-0 up in that match but lost 2 goals in the last 20 minutes. keane stormed off the pitch at the end of the game.'

see its been ongoing... <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />

Rory 7 · Aug 12, 2002

Originally posted by Hornchurch Red:

I was talking about the Iriah national side, I bet you loved Mick and his nononsense approach during that world cup. Mick is a winner, a true battler, he didn't take his team out there to go on the piss. Just because Keane didn't (doesn't) like Mick he should have swallowed that ego and performed for his country. He could have retired after the worldcup and then sold his story, but to do what he did, let his country down I feel.
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In fairness I think you are missing some of the complexities of the Irish/McCarthy story. He was a battler definitely but some would have a another name for him. I saw him nearly end Ian Rush's career at Landsdowne Road one day for example.

McCarthy was always a controversial choice in this country. At a time when we had an a embarassment of riches at centre half (McGrath/Moran/Lawerson/O'Leary), Jack Charlton decided to play Mick McCarthy who was effectively given the free role as 'hatchet man' for Ireland. I used to be embarassed watching him play for Ireland. He was slow and didn't have great positional sense. If you look back through a tape of Ireland's exploits at WCs and Euro 88 you will see that McCarthy was invariably to blame for almost all of the goals that we conceded. Not that it was really his fault, he wasn't a truly international class defender and that showed in the big matches.

To call him a winner and claim he 'lead Ireland' to any success is a joke I'm afraid. As a manager, qualification for tournaments was Mick's goal and that remains so. Pre-Keano's exit he spent all his time saying how we will go and compete and enjoy ourselves. It wasn't until the whole Keano affair blew up that McCarthy got back 'on message' with all his we want to win rhetoric.

So don't fool yourself into thinking that Mick is the noble battler who was the victim of a superstar tantrum at the World Cup. The reality is Mick McCarthy has had to answer very few difficult questions since the World Cup ended. He was left to get on with the tournament 'for the good of the country' while Roy Keane had to come home a face the music.

McCarthy hasn't been put under nearly enough pressure for is stupid narrow-minded mismanagement of the whole affair. He should be and if football journalists were to spend less time senationalising and more time disecting the truth then McCarthy would end up in a very uncomfortable place indeed.

jamesblonde · Aug 12, 2002

Originally posted by Hornchurch Red:


I hope your having a laugh <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" /> I'm talking about one subject, you feel the need to spread bull shit, becasue I have a different view to you. Sorry, no I feel I can look at this objectively, and have a reasoned debate with others, respect their opinions and take on board what they are saying. A lot of what Rory 7 and others are saying is valid and educational, but I don't have to agree with every word.

I was talking about the Iriah national side, I bet you loved Mick and his nononsense approach during that world cup. Mick is a winner, a true battler, he didn't take his team out there to go on the piss. Just because Keane didn't (doesn't) like Mick he should have swallowed that ego and performed for his country. He could have retired after the worldcup and then sold his story, but to do what he did, let his country down I feel.

To talk to Mick like thatwas always going to have one result. Keane I feel will look back as an old man and regret not taking part in Japan 2002.<hr></blockquote>

I agree 100%.
To err is human, to forgive is divine...

jamesblonde · Aug 12, 2002

Originally posted by Rory 7:


In fairness I think you are missing some of the complexities of the Irish/McCarthy story. He was a battler definitely but some would have a another name for him. I saw him nearly end Ian Rush's career at Landsdowne Road one day for example.

McCarthy was always a controversial choice in this country. At a time when we had an a embarassment of riches at centre half (McGrath/Moran/Lawerson/O'Leary), Jack Charlton decided to play Mick McCarthy who was effectively given the free role as 'hatchet man' for Ireland. I used to be embarassed watching him play for Ireland. He was slow and didn't have great positional sense. If you look back through a tape of Ireland's exploits at WCs and Euro 88 you will see that McCarthy was invariably to blame for almost all of the goals that we conceded. Not that it was really his fault, he wasn't a truly international class defender and that showed in the big matches.

To call him a winner and claim he 'lead Ireland' to any success is a joke I'm afraid. As a manager, qualification for tournaments was Mick's goal and that remains so. Pre-Keano's exit he spent all his time saying how we will go and compete and enjoy ourselves. It wasn't until the whole Keano affair blew up that McCarthy got back 'on message' with all his we want to win rhetoric.

So don't fool yourself into thinking that Mick is the noble battler who was the victim of a superstar tantrum at the World Cup. The reality is Mick McCarthy has had to answer very few difficult questions since the World Cup ended. He was left to get on with the tournament 'for the good of the country' while Roy Keane had to come home a face the music.

McCarthy hasn't been put under nearly enough pressure for is stupid narrow-minded mismanagement of the whole affair. He should be and if football journalists were to spend less time senationalising and more time disecting the truth then McCarthy would end up in a very uncomfortable place indeed.<hr></blockquote>

While I understand your points in hindsight, the reality is that McCarthy would have left or been pushed if Ireland lost to Cameroon or Germany and went out in the group stages. That was very clear at the time.
To say he was never under pressure is hindsight. If we went out in the group stages, people would have blamed him, someone else would have taken over (that God we don't have O'Leary as mgr) and Keane would be back.

thumper · Aug 12, 2002

Good post Rory.

gulli_G · Aug 12, 2002

Originally posted by gulli_G:
Keane would make an excellent manager, he's been there and doen it, has the ambition and drive like fergie does, even has fergei early years temper.

Just needs to pass the coachingg course and he's a future united manager in the making. maybe could be number two under the next manager. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <hr></blockquote>

"It's great having Roy out on the pitch because he's a mirror image of me and he embodies every manager's dream and wish of how the game should be played. He reflects what I believe in the game and what you should bring to a game. To have him leading out my team is just marvellous. I've already said he's the best player I've ever worked with and as a captain he stands equal alongside Bryan Robson in my book. Robson had a fantatsic presence on a football pitch and he was also a great organiser on a football field. You wouldn't want to separate him and Roy because the two of them are two of the most fantastic players this club has ever had. It's easy to forget Robson because he didn't have a tray of medals to throw at you like Keane has but nonetheless in his pomp he was a fantatsic player. Roy has his odd bad moment and he's the type who will always get punished for it whereas others will get off with it. He's been treated badly and sent off harshly in the past but the sending of against Manchester City a couple of seasons ago he deserved. David Elleray had no option but that's Roy - he wears his heart on his sleeve."

confirms it for me, he is manager material.

Ninja · Aug 13, 2002

Please get a grip on reality those of you who are writing about mccarthy when he was a player, who gives a feck and what has any of it really got to do with what happened out in japan? The amatuers in the FAI in merrion square,Dublin, and mccarthy treated our greatest ever player in a green shirt, like a dog and forced him out. That my friends is unforgiveable, and will never be forgotten, and when my son grows up he will be told about what they did also.

Suedesi · Aug 13, 2002

Originally posted by Red_For_Life:


"At first I kept my mouth shut. But the rot reached the dressing room and the crowd at Old Trafford. When we were under the cosh they were quiet, as if they resented the absence of the spectacle. A goalfest, beat the s*** out of Southampton and they were swinging off the rafters. But what about the hard days? I felt we'd gone soft as a team, too, that the feeling around the place wasn't right — Premiership success was breeding complacency. Too many people around the club remained intoxicated by the Treble. Peter Schmeichel claiming we would have beaten the 1968 team 10-0 summed it up. How did he know? How could anyone? The Treble was history but people wouldn't let it go. We were kidding ourselves, talking big but not delivering. The wheels had come off.

The following year we won the League by 10 points and Bayern Munich knocked us out of Europe. I felt sick to my heart. We should have bought big after the Treble, been ruthless, gone for the best, freshened things up, attacked the complacency and let those who didn't care if they never won another trophy join the sort of clubs that don't win any."<hr></blockquote>

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