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Said it on ceefax, if he plays in the reserve game on thursday, and gets through it without any problem. Fergie says that keane will be avaliable to him again for blackburn

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Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>Said it on ceefax, if he plays in the reserve game on thursday, and gets through it without any problem. Fergie says that keane will be avaliable to him again for blackburn

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On the bench first I hope. Phil to keep his place.
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our captain will come back aganist blackburn,
that's great,i think he could replace plil
 
Originally posted by Julian Denny:
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On the bench first I hope. Phil to keep his place.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If he is fit he should replace Phil. He is better.
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As much as i like KEANO and think he is a world class player why change a winning formula stick him on the bench make him fight for his place in the team like phil nev and others have had to do
 
Originally posted by:corelive
As much as like KEANO why change a winning formula stick him on the bench make him fight for his place in the team like phil nev and others have had to do <hr></blockquote>

Don't you think that's a rather naive viewpoint? Yes, Phil Neville has done a superb job as cover, but a manager's job is to put out his best team on the pitch. Roy Keane is arguably the best central defensive midfielder in the world, he is our captain, talisman and the engine of the team. Leaving a player of his talent on the bench does us no favours. We need our best players on the pitch and if Keano is fully fit to start a game, we should (and I have no doubt, will) start with him.
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So what happens should Keane come straight back in and veron starts under performing again and we go on a losing run veron has come into his own while Keane has been out (why this is im not sure) maybe he has bossed the midfield like Keane does all im saying is why change a winning team that are performing well.
The same should be said about Rio when fit he should not walk straight back in as our back four of present are not concedeing goals
 
Originally posted by corelive:
<strong>So what happens should Keane come straight back in and veron starts under performing again and we go on a losing run veron has come into his own while Keane has been out (why this is im not sure) maybe he has bossed the midfield like Keane does all im saying is why change a winning team that are performing well.
The same should be said about Rio when fit he should not walk straight back in as our back four of present are not concedeing goals</strong><hr></blockquote>

During the game yesterday there was a little incident which really highlighted your point here. Phil got the ball and was looking up at who to pass it to when Veron comes running from the other side of the pitch, holds his hand out as if to say leave it and scampers off. Could you imagine him doing the samw with Keane?
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Surely whether a player comes back straightaway after injury should depend on the quality of the player they are replacing? With Rio, Blanc and Becks, I have no problem with them being on the bench, because I don't feel they can offer the team anything more than the players replacing them. However, with Keane, there are extra dimensions to his game as well as the psychological effect that I think can add to the team. That's why I would want him in the team straightaway.

As for any potential disruptions, that's just conjecture. How do you know that his return won't make us even better?!
 
Originally posted by Nh1878:
<strong>As for any potential disruptions, that's just conjecture. How do you know that his return won't make us even better?!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Based on past performances?
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And how do you no his return wont make us worse
its all a matter of opinion you have yours i have mine and SAF will make the final choice and i will respect his choice
 
This is bollix.

No matter what Phil Nev's performances have been, and I have been his biggest defender on here, he cannot keep Keane out of the team.

It is a completely different matter for Ferdinand, who should not replace Brown or Silvestre.
 
Originally posted by One Remi Moses:
<strong>This is bollix.

No matter what Phil Nev's performances have been, and I have been his biggest defender on here, he cannot keep Keane out of the team.

It is a completely different matter for Ferdinand, who should not replace Brown or Silvestre.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly. Phil Nev at his best is basically Keano on an average day - and I don't think Phil himself would disagree.

I also believe that Keano is a real believer in the team coming before the man and will not look for players like Veron to modify his game on his return. It's not as if playing alongside Keane stopped Giggs, Becks, Scholes or Butt from having incredible games for Utd - quite the opposite in fact.

Keane is in that special select group of players that improves ANY team he plays on. The rest of our returning "stars" Becks and Rio included can wait their turn but Keano comes back in as soon as he is fit to do so.
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Originally posted by corelive:
And how do you no his return wont make us worse <hr></blockquote>

I don't, but as I said earlier, I don't think a world class player should be left out of the team if he can offer the team something extra that his cover can't. As for Keano's presence affecting Seba, Keane's been out since the Sunderland game. Did Seba's performance automatically improve after that? No, it didn't. I think you'll find the improvement in Seba's PL performances has very little to do with Keano and everything to do with his own attitude and determination.

Ultimately though, as you said, it will be up to SAF, but if Keano is fit to start, I am fairly certain he will start.
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I think starting with Keane on the bench for Blackburn is the best option. No one can tell what his form will be like and at the same time we all know Phil is in the form of his life.

Also, there's quite a number of matches to play ATM. It's easy picking up a new injury, esp. considering how the pitches are so giving Keane an easy way back seems the better idea. Let Phil play against Blackburn and use Keane away to Boro.

Obviously Keane should play some 30 minutes (depending on how the match develop of course) against Blackburn. Might even bring him on at half time.
 
We would be taking a step in the wrong direction if Roy came back straight away.

We are finally seeing a settled team and the results are starting to come and momentum is building up. Now is not the time to change the team.

We have been working so hard for over a year to get a settled team and now that we have one people want to change it.

While results are flowing we should keep the team as it is, with the likes of Roy and Beckham bought in to rejuvinate the team when things look like starting to go wrong.
 
Of course Keane's a better player than Phil and he's this and he's that. However that is not the point because it's a matter of principle and Fergie must try and preserve the newly found spirit and commitment at all costs. Phil and one or two others particularly have got us to where we are at the moment. What are you telling them when you immediately drop them at the first opportunity to bring back a not fully match fit Keane ? The same argument can be extended to Rio. What do you tel JOS, the most likely candidate to make way ? No, Roy and Rio, like Becks must start on the bench. Their time will come again without doubt before too long. In the meantime, Fergie must support those who have done so well for him and us in recent games. By the way and relevant to this, I was disappointed Ole was subbed so early, unless he was carrying a knock.
 
What would that do to team morale if the fill-in players who have performed so admirably in the last month or so were just put to the side for our injured players? Work for their places.
 
Originally posted by Julian Denny:
However that is not the point because it's a matter of principle and Fergie must try and preserve the newly found spirit and commitment at all costs.<hr></blockquote>

So, you think we should keep the best player in the world in his position on the bench as a matter of principle?! And since when has Roy Keane ever been lacking in spirit and commitment?! :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>What would that do to team morale if the fill-in players who have performed so admirably in the last month or so were just put to the side for our injured players? Work for their places.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What we all are missing is that there are so many matches played that most players will need a rest before new year so it won't really be a case of dropping players but rather resting.
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Originally posted by Nh1878:
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So, you think we should keep the best player in the world in his position on the bench as a matter of principle?! :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes. As you said earlier, football is about teams, not a collection of individuals. This team not only has put us back in the title race, they're creating some outstanding football.

I would like to see players like Keane and Becks benched and brought on as subs for the moment. Then we can rotate the squad.
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Originally posted by nickm:
Yes. As you said earlier, football is about teams, not a collection of individuals.<hr></blockquote>

Er, no. I said it was about putting out your best players on the pitch. I would never leave a player of Roy Keane's world class ability or influence on the bench if he was fit to start.
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"Yes. As you said earlier, football is about teams, not a collection of individuals. This team not only has put us back in the title race, they're creating some outstanding football.

I would like to see players like Keane and Becks benched and brought on as subs for the moment. Then we can rotate the squad "

100% spot on. But I always wonder what the army of keane lovers in this forum would do if he would go to another club. Would they support then Celtic for example instead of United as many people here always claim Beckham fans would do if Becks would go ? (and I have said that Ole should keep his place at the moment.
Keane hasn`t played for over 3 months. He can`t be 100 % fit. The team is playing fantastique at the moment, so is Phil in Keanes place. He is probably playing the best football in his life.
It would be cruel to take him now out of a winning team for someone who hasn`t played football for months.
Keane will regain his place very soon. I have no doubt about that, but against Blackburn his place is on the bench. The same goes for Becks,Rio,Larry and Butt (if fit).
 
"Er, no. I said it was about putting out your best players on the pitch"

So you would for example also start with Rio ahead of Wes ? Or do you think that Wes is a better player then Rio who we bought for 28 mil. and was worldclass at the worldcup, while Wes was only on the bench ? Is Rio a waste of money then, if we have better homegrown players?
 
Keane should play if he is 100% fit. Some people
seems to have short memory, they don't seems to remember how keane played in the past for us. Granted, Phil did a wonderful job for us while keane's out, but i supposed phil himself will know he won't be able to keep keane out of the first 11.

Benching our captain, main motivator and spirit of the team on the bench will be totally wrong. You might say veron will be affected by keane's presence, but he will have to adapt. in the long run, he would be playing with keane in the centre of the park, and NOT phil.
 
Originally posted by Nh1878:
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Er, no. I said it was about putting out your best players on the pitch. I would never leave a player of Roy Keane's world class ability or influence on the bench if he was fit to start.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You said, "...a manager's job is to put out his best team on the pitch."

We obviously disagree on what constitutes a team. You think it's about your 11 best players. I think it's about 11 players who together, bring out the best in each other.
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Becks75, I'd already mentioned this earlier in the thread and to quote myself:

"Surely whether a player comes back straightaway after injury should depend on the quality of the player they are replacing? With Rio, Blanc and Becks, I have no problem with them being on the bench, because I don't feel they can offer the team anything more than the players replacing them. However, with Keane, there are extra dimensions to his game as well as the psychological effect that I think can add to the team. That's why I would want him in the team straightaway."

As I said, it's to do with whether the incoming player can add anything extra to the game, and Keane does. That's the only reason I'd have him in the team, not because he's a "big name" or my favourite player.

Anyhow, this argument is, of course, merely hypothetical; everyone is entitled to their opinions and I think the alternative point of view is also a perfectly valid one. After all, I've stuck up for Phil Neville myself on several occasions! - and I think he's done a wonderful job for us when it really mattered. However, I really do believe Keane will go straight back into the team when he's fully fit and justifiably so.
 
Originally posted by Dominant:
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seems to have short memory, they don't seems to remember how keane played in the past for us. </strong><hr></blockquote>

That has nothing to do with it. It is far more important to reward excellence and effort today than it is to reward excellence and effort 3 months ago. Keane will return, we all know that. But for the moment, let the lads who have put us on top be rewarded with the manager's and the fans' trust.


Granted, Phil did a wonderful job for us while keane's out, but i supposed phil himself will know he won't be able to keep keane out of the first 11.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

No. Phil must believe he *does* have a chance of keeping Keane out, or the whole idea of competition for places in a big squad is worthless.

Keano will be back soon enough, we just have to make sure he comes back for the right reasons.
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leave it the gaffer i tell ya

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but personally i think keane has to start once he is 100% fit and i dont think that will be for a few weeks yet and u get bet your house on it by then some other fucher will be banned or injured by then
 
"No. Phil must believe he *does* have a chance of keeping Keane out, or the whole idea of competition for places in a big squad is worthless."

Exactly. If Phil is out on Sunday after his recent performances.....if I would be him; I would take the good money every week live a nice life, train and sit on the bench but wouldn`t care that much about the club and the team any longer.
 
"but personally i think keane has to start once he is 100% fit and i dont think that will be for a few weeks yet and u get bet your house on it by then some other fucher will be banned or injured by then."

So all problems would be solved anyway.

:D
 
Even if Keano comes through the reserve game unscathed and you believe him to be a special case, it would still be the sensible option not to start him against Blackburn.
Keane has had a lenghty injury lay-off, let's ease him back into things. It would be nice to see him on the bench and perhaps get 20 mins... <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
Originally posted by redpie:
<strong>Even if Keano comes through the reserve game unscathed and you believe him to be a special case, it would still be the sensible option not to start him against Blackburn.
Keane has had a lenghty injury lay-off, let's ease him back into things. It would be nice to see him on the bench and perhaps get 20 mins... <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly. I find it hard to believe that even Keano would be match fit after 3 months off and one reserve game. Players take at least 2 matches worth of playing time to get un-rusty IMO. Half an hour against Blackburn should do him fine.
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Keano is not guaranteed a place at all!! Who do you think he is!

This is Manchester United, Keano is not our God. other teams win european cups and premierships without him. that sad i do want him back, but he isnt owed anything by this club and shouldnt be guranteed a place. he probably is though.

i just hope he doesnt disrupt the good form...particularly of scholes and veron.
 
I'd start Keane...


however, i'd leave Rio and Becks out.. why? coz they weren't playing well before they got injured... but Keane was.

My only worry is keane's partnership with Veron... its not worked yet, i think keane will have to curb his attacking instincts for it to work...
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>Keano is not guaranteed a place at all!! Who do you think he is!

This is Manchester United, Keano is not our God. other teams win european cups and premierships without him. that sad i do want him back, but he isnt owed anything by this club and shouldnt be guranteed a place. he probably is though.

i just hope he doesnt disrupt the good form...particularly of scholes and veron.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I think your failure to master the "caps lock" function on your keyboard amply displays your limited brainpower. No need to prove it further with crap posts like this.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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My only worry is keane's partnership with Veron... its not worked yet, i think keane will have to curb his attacking instincts for it to work...</strong><hr></blockquote>

I welcome Roy Keane's return. But things are slightly different this time around. Whatever the rights and wrongs, the time for ranting and raving has now passed.
What we have seen in recent games is a togetherness we can't afford to lose.

Veron and Keane can be effective in the same team, they just need to come to an understanding and mutual respect. Roy just needs to mellow out a tad and Seba needs to keep up the work-rate.
I do however see Keane playing a more disciplined simple game. Breaking-up play, holding up the ball, neat passes and keeping things ticking over. This effectively makes Veron the playmaker...the role he was born for.
Scholes is in the mix too of course, but I don't see a problem with him and Veron. Scholes does not want to be the playmaker; Scholsey is naturally more attacking and plays a hide and seek style of game, looking to get on the end of things.

These defined roles are not set in stone of course. At times Keane will need to make his barnstorming runs and drive the game. Veron could be the one making the run or saving tackle...Scholsey providing the playmaking pass etc.

The point is, this central trio of midfielders can perfectly compliment each other.

The fly in the ointment for me is Becks. Because he doesn't have the ability to beat a man out wide he drifts in too much and cramps Veron's style.

My one caveat would be, Veron has to, MUST continue to work hard for it to work.

As for P. Neville. He has done an outstanding job for us in midfield and this should be recognised; Fortune did well also. The utility players have really done us proud. The likes of Keane and Butt have a lot to live up to.

So welcome back Roy...pat Phill on the back for me and try not to lose your rag so easily this time...Seba has been trying really hard lately...honest!
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