Joshua Zirkzee (out)
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Its a trap!
I smell the shit of a bull! All time Low
It is indeed at the worst it's been since December 2024.
I think Vlahovic is what we hoped Hojlund would be at this point when we signed him. He's a good striker who has never quite managed to break into the great level. At 24 he still has time but that window is narrowing. He could probably get us 14-15 league goals
Thats far beyond where Zirkzee is, so if theres a swap on the table its a no brainer but I doubt its a thing. I'd be open to buying Vlahovic as a replacement for Zirkzee if we got rid, as a stready goalscorer while we fix several other problems with the team
Thats far beyond where Zirkzee is, so if theres a swap on the table its a no brainer but I doubt its a thing. I'd be open to buying Vlahovic as a replacement for Zirkzee if we got rid, as a stready goalscorer while we fix several other problems with the team
All time low? Can less than two months be considered for all time low?
Vlahovic has the same number of non-penalty goals in Seria A this season as Zirkzee in the PL.
When was the all time high?
I’d take Vlahovic for zirkzee all day. A proper goalscorer
Vlahovic is also a lot worse at playing football.
The cautionary tale you didn't pay attention to when you signed Xerxes? Please do
So who gets blame in spending 35m not long ago and probably loosing 50%. ETH or INEOS?
We waste so much money in these stupid transfers ..
We waste so much money in these stupid transfers ..
We wont lose money on this. Were not going to sell him for less than £35m. Hes probably worth more, this was his buyout clause.
Where do I sign?
All them crosses into the box at Anfield and nobody running onto them. Vlahovic is a proper striker and a significant upgrade on Zirkzee/Hojlund.
Are Juve stupid enough to give us Vlahovic for Zirkzee? I refuse to believe it.
I am afraid, we would end up being the stupid ones. Juve wants to sell as his contract runs out in 2026 and Vlahovic does not look like extending contract or leaving. From Juve's perspective, Man utd transfer might excite him and agree to move in Jan.
Juve will make money and we are desperate enough to pay close to their valuation of 60m( including Zirkzee ofcourse)
If Joshua Zirkzee is moved on would that mean that Leny Yoro has the coolest name in our squad?
Since he started playing regularly in Serie A, (so ignoring his first season where he played 10 times, mostly as sub), he's scored 65 non-penalty goals in 200 league games. 1 in 3 is hardly the prolific striker we're after. For comparison Hojlund has scored 12 in 45 for us. He's also 3 years younger and gets paid about a quarter as much as Vlahovic. I agree we need an extra striker, just don't think he's it.
Vlahovic would take some pressure off of Hojlund, but he isn’t what we need. Not very mobile and won’t make the runs in behind needed to stretch a PL defence. Straight swap, all day long … but if it prevents us getting another striker this year, no thanks
Can I get a rough count on how many people have watched Vlahovic? Maybe even just followed him? Perhaps those who have heard of him beyond those three sexy syllables? Lukaku was a significantly better player for us than Vlahovic has been for Juve. To be fair, he's got a powerful shot on him, and he'll end this "look, Hojlund doesn't shoot therefore we don't create" argument by virtue of shooting from anywhere at all, but there ends his benefits.
Along with the fact he's been dining off his Fiorentina days since the ink dried in Turin, he's slow, has a poor touch, has had many stretches out of the side, and - despite seemingly being a behemoth physically - is regularly outfought by centre halves playing for the likes of Monza and Como. It's like a bloody alternate dimension on this board at times.
What are the upsides people are seeing with Vlahovic? I would love to know why a player who Arkadius Milik can pretty much seamlessly replace for Juventus under several different managers would be the missing jigsaw piece for us. As bad as many of you think Zirkzee and Hojlund are, I promise you Vlahovic is worse is almost every respect.
Along with the fact he's been dining off his Fiorentina days since the ink dried in Turin, he's slow, has a poor touch, has had many stretches out of the side, and - despite seemingly being a behemoth physically - is regularly outfought by centre halves playing for the likes of Monza and Como. It's like a bloody alternate dimension on this board at times.
What are the upsides people are seeing with Vlahovic? I would love to know why a player who Arkadius Milik can pretty much seamlessly replace for Juventus under several different managers would be the missing jigsaw piece for us. As bad as many of you think Zirkzee and Hojlund are, I promise you Vlahovic is worse is almost every respect.
I’ve no idea who he is tbh but have seen how bad zirkzee is. Is it worth the gamble that the next guy won’t be worse? Maybe that’s what people are thinking.
I appreciate that, thank you. You know what doesn't work so any port in a storm, as it were.
I would argue that what Zirkzee is failing at is what all Serie A players fail at when they first arrive in England these days: he looks slow and encumbered because he's not used to how quickly defenders in this league get up your arse. PL-exclusive followers take for granted things like backwards pressure, which is automatically penalised in leagues like Italy or Germany.
Some work it out, some don't. Almost invariably, none work it out within their first four months of football. This will be compounded badly for Vlahovic, who can't trap a ball in Italy, and sees nothing but the goalmouth even when he has time - be that from 4 yards or 40.
Make no mistake, a swap deal here would be Juventus taking us for a ride. Even on the off chance Vlahovic were to adapt as quickly as he could, his best version is levels below what people would expect having heard the echoes of his name over the last 4 or 5 years. He doesn't run around like a mad head a la Hojlund either, so he wouldn't get the grace period a trier sometimes gets. He isn't clinical, capable of close control, or clever in his movement. He might well be Juventus' worst signing of all time, pound for pound. This is before we get into his availability issues (weirdly absent in discussions on him, considering it is an ever-present concern for every other player some hack breaths life into a link to) or his salary, which is essentially to Juve as Rashford's is to us.
Corriere and Gazetto Dello Sport do a hell of a job promoting players that nobody in their country of origin want, and usually for insane valuations. They've truly outdone themselves and played a blinder hiding the world outside of Italian football from the obvious limitations of Dusan Vlahovic.
Most importantly, forget actual goals scored, How's their non penalty xG compare?
Well shit! Ha, not that I was keen or actually wanted him anyway but he sounds like a hard no.
I’ve no idea who we could sign tbh, there is just a need for a goal scorer and fingers crossed we find one.
Vlahovic has already scored 12 goals this season. In 23 games.
12 in 23 is better than 12 in 45. I think Hojlund can learn from him. When to make runs, when to go near post or far post, how to get a shot off early to fool the goalkeeper. Lots of tricks from playing on the continent and in the champions league.
I don't see him often, But i saw him live in the world cup against Switzerland, he was non-existent plus his touch was sketchy as well, similar to how i remember in this video, where he never looks in control of the ball kinda like Hojlund.
He has, but 7 of those 12 goals were penalties. With penalty-inflated goal tallies being a hallmark of Vlahovic's career thus far.
A better way to judge their actual goalscoring ability is non-penalty goals per 90 over recent seasons.
Hojlund: 0.46, 0.47, 0.47
Vlahovic: 0.36, 0.54, 0.34, 0.49
I don't think those numbers overly recommend Vlahovic to anyone.
I saw some reels this season and he looks quite poor.
He's got fundamentals which are difficult to find in players. I think he deserves at least two full seasons to see if it works out.
Real Dearth of top strikers these days. The likes of Vlahovic, Osimhen and Kolo Muani all looks damaged goods and the kind of signings we make and they don't look as good as what we have available. Its a sorry state that i am not even excited about any of them.
Yeah Vlahović has never stuck out for me. Seems like a player who wants more time than he'll get in the Prem.
don't want Vlahovic
My wife is Serbian, so we watch a lot of the national team, and he is bloody crap.
We hate Vlahovic, and Mitrovic is 10 times the player, and I wouldn't take Mitrovic.
Just take whatever money you can get for Zirkzee, if it's the choice between that or a swap for Vlahovic.
I'd hate to be stuck with him, unable to shift that waste of space.
We hate Vlahovic, and Mitrovic is 10 times the player, and I wouldn't take Mitrovic.
Just take whatever money you can get for Zirkzee, if it's the choice between that or a swap for Vlahovic.
I'd hate to be stuck with him, unable to shift that waste of space.
People are desperate. Moreso in January. Mediocre players like Randal Kolo Muani and Dusan Vlahovic on loans have some of our fans salivating. Just the mere idea of something novel of uptop seems to be enough for some.
Vlahovic strikes me as exactly the kind of desperation signing we need to avoid making. He's Juve's problem, why would we want to make him our problem? It's always better to sign no one than to sign the wrong player.
I dont really see the point unless its for a serious striker. I'm not convinced by him but im not particularly convinced by Hojlund either. I think either would probably be quite good cover but i dont think it'll be straightforward to get a genuine upgrade on either.
Selling him after 3 months to take another random punt on decent journeymen like Kolo Muani or Vlahovic just seems like a waste of money that could be put towards an actual world class striker.
Selling him after 3 months to take another random punt on decent journeymen like Kolo Muani or Vlahovic just seems like a waste of money that could be put towards an actual world class striker.
I don't understand why people are writing him off so quickly and want him gone, the premiership is littered with players that struggled to adapt in their first season.
Pires, Suarez, David Silva, Drogba, De Gea, Henry, Bergkamp, Jordan Henderson, Cancelo, Son and even Evra are just a few who had dodgy starts and bad first seasons, give the lad a chance.
Pires, Suarez, David Silva, Drogba, De Gea, Henry, Bergkamp, Jordan Henderson, Cancelo, Son and even Evra are just a few who had dodgy starts and bad first seasons, give the lad a chance.
Hojilund has at least proven that he can go on a run of goals, and can score against a certain level of opposition. He also has traits that more go in line with a starting United CF even if he's quite a bit away. Zirkzee is much more of a question mark and doesn't fit the profile of a United player in my opinion.
Piss poor
Yeah, i dont think he makes much sense in this formation really. I think he hasn't had enough time to figure it out either though. He feels a bit like a player that goes to Brentford or Bournmouth to me and look crap for a year to 18 months before becoming a completely unplayable, nightmare to deal with.
If selling him was financing a move for Isak or someone i'd get it. In the mean time the striker market is lean and i think he has enough good qualities that he could become a decent striker for us. Just not particularly quickly.
Indeed. The United squad alone is full of players that didn’t adapt in the first season. Give the lad time, he offers something different. He was never ment to be the out and out scorer.