Joshua Zirkzee (Out)

Rojofiam said:
If there's any truth to this, it should be an obligation with Juventus paying his full salary as well. The fee should also be around what we paid for him. There's no release clause this time and he would've cost considerably more last summer without that.

Juve would also know exactly what they're getting with Zirkzee, know how his game translates into the Serie A, and their new manager is the one who's got the most out of the player so far in his career.
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There is no chance. We are the desperate seller now of a player who is surplus to requirements.

Plus, we paid the Premier League + Man United tax when buying him.

We spent €42.50m to buy him. Would be very lucky to get €30m back.

Our best bet would be to take someone from Juventus that may fit the mould for Amorim.
 
gaffs said:
There is no chance. We are the desperate seller now of a player who is surplus to requirements.

Plus, we paid the Premier League + Man United tax when buying him.

We spent €42.50m to buy him. Would be very lucky to get €30m back.

Our best bet would be to take someone from Juventus that may fit the mould for Amorim.
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Douglas Luiz seems most likely in this scenario, also moved in the summer and not seems to have settled with his new team. The issue is would our womens team need Lehmann as we know they are a package deal these days.
 
gaffs said:
There is no chance. We are the desperate seller now of a player who is surplus to requirements.

Plus, we paid the Premier League + Man United tax when buying him.

We spent €42.50m to buy him. Would be very lucky to get €30m back.

Our best bet would be to take someone from Juventus that may fit the mould for Amorim.
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We aren't the "desperate seller". You're just making up stuff based on your opinion and tabloid articles.

"the Premier League + Man United tax"? You realize we paid around 1-2m more than what his release clause was, so that cash flow wouldn't be as much of an issue for the other deals we were planning to do last summer? What are you on about?

Zirkzee's been slowly building his career up in the last few years, and his stock was at an all-time high last summer, with his price only being around 35m because he had a release clause inserted into his contract. If that never existed, Bologna would've asked for at least €50-55m from potential suitors. If you think United will let a €50m player go for €20m just because he had a few bad games in an awful dysfunctional side sitting at 14th place, that had 3 different managers in the last 3 months, then that's being unrealistic.

I'm not expecting him to leave in January anyways.
 
GlazersHater said:
Whenever I see him play I think to myself that being a scout for ManUtd should be the easiest job on earth. I mean these are scouts that recommend players who are widely known. It's not like they're unearthing players from top 20 leagues. Having make so many signings so awfully wrong is quite something. Players who's physical capabilities are clear to see that won't match the premier league yet it seems scouts don't see it or just decide it's not a problem.

Then after a couple of months we all realice it doesn't and it will never work for the player here. I mean unless Zirkzee has completely changed his style from Bologna to Manchester I think even a fool would have predicted the outcome.
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Summer 2021 window must’ve been a breeze. How much actual scouting went into those 3?

“A centre back you say? How about the best one in the world?”
“A winger? There’s this kid called Sancho that’s the best young player in Europe.”
“Oh yeah, and Cristiano Ronaldo just rang. He wants to come back.”
 
gaffs said:
There is no chance. We are the desperate seller now of a player who is surplus to requirements.

Plus, we paid the Premier League + Man United tax when buying him.

We spent €42.50m to buy him. Would be very lucky to get €30m back.

Our best bet would be to take someone from Juventus that may fit the mould for Amorim.
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We paid a release clause, 40m euros is exactly what it would’ve cost juventus to get him 5 months ago. His stock surely hasn’t dropped at all in Italy, so I don’t see why we can’t recover basically all of what we paid. For once we’re getting in there early instead of waiting until the last year of their contract.
 
2 man midfield said:
We paid a release clause, 40m euros is exactly what it would’ve cost juventus to get him 5 months ago. His stock surely hasn’t dropped at all in Italy, so I don’t see why we can’t recover basically all of what we paid. For once we’re getting in there early instead of waiting until the last year of their contract.
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Well, if they wanted him for 40mil euros they could have triggered the release claus, but they didnt.

If they want him, im sure it will be because they can see United want rid, thus can sniff out a desperate seller and get a bargain deal.

That is just the way of the world!
 
This transfer seemed rotten from the moment we were linked with him, but many on here were being positive for the sake of it, which is fair enough. He never looked like the type of player or profile that United should ever be going for. Especially since we're starved for goals.
 
gaffs said:
Well, if they wanted him for 40mil euros they could have triggered the release claus, but they didnt.

If they want him, im sure it will be because they can see United want rid, thus can sniff out a desperate seller and get a bargain deal.

That is just the way of the world!
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Juve are skint at the moment so won't be offering anything up front in this window if they are interested. It would be a loan with an option and they will definitely want a reduction in the fee, this is how Italian clubs operate unfortunately.
 
gaffs said:
Well, if they wanted him for 40mil euros they could have triggered the release claus, but they didnt.

If they want him, im sure it will be because they can see United want rid, thus can sniff out a desperate seller and get a bargain deal.

That is just the way of the world!
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All fair points, but I think we hold a decent amount of leverage here. 40m euros is a fair price for the serie A young player of the year, especially when it’s his old coach knocking.

I’m also not averse to keeping him. He has to be better than he’s showing right now.
 
Rojofiam said:
We aren't the "desperate seller". You're just making up stuff based on your opinion and tabloid articles.

"the Premier League + Man United tax"? You realize we paid around 1-2m more than what his release clause was, so that cash flow wouldn't be as much of an issue for the other deals we were planning to do last summer? What are you on about?

Zirkzee's been slowly building his career up in the last few years, and his stock was at an all-time high last summer, with his price only being around 35m because he had a release clause inserted into his contract. If that never existed, Bologna would've asked for at least €50-55m from potential suitors. If you think United will let a €50m player go for €20m just because he had a few bad games in an awful dysfunctional side sitting at 14th place, that had 3 different managers in the last 3 months, then that's being unrealistic.

I'm not expecting him to leave in January anyways.
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What need does Zirkzee fill in the Amorim system?

Can you see him leading the line for United? Nope - not quick enough, strong enough or good enough in front of goal for that. Can he even hold the ball up well?

Can you see him playing as a 10? No - doesn't have any of those attributes either.

Does he look anything like the players that Amorim had in these roles at Sporting? No

Does he look anything like Gyorkeres or before him Paulinha from Sporting? He is big, yes, but not nearly dynamic enough.

Does he look anything like the quick, skillful dribblers and brilliant passes that Amorim had in Trincao or Goncalves ? Not in the slightest.

So unless Amorim wishes to use players in his system that have very different profiles than what he had for 5 years at Sporting, then Zirkzee becomes surplus to requirements. Add that to the fact we need players that fit into Amorms system ASAP and we are up against PSR, that makes us a desperate seller.

If he continues to play as he has so far, his value will only decrease the longer he stays at United.
 
Gandalf said:
Juve are skint at the moment so won't be offering anything up front in this window if they are interested. It would be a loan with an option and they will definitely want a reduction in the fee, this is how Italian clubs operate unfortunately.
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I totally agree. 40mil euros was the Summer 2024 price. They will want a cut price deal and will pitch it as them doing United a favour.
 
2 man midfield said:
Summer 2021 window must’ve been a breeze. How much actual scouting went into those 3?

“A centre back you say? How about the best one in the world?”
“A winger? There’s this kid called Sancho that’s the best young player in Europe.”
“Oh yeah, and Cristiano Ronaldo just rang. He wants to come back.”
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Exactly, those scouts are hired not to find players as we havent really signed anyone unknown but to scout them to see if they'll fit us and they've been terrible at that for most of the signings.

I'd say we'd had more success signing off players based on FM recomendations that these scouts, not even joking just by probability I think we'd have much more success.
 
Vlahovic is being paid €427k per week by Juve, if Capology is to be believed. That makes me thing this is made up news.
 
Can a player realistically bounce back mentally from the game Zirkzee had on Monday? He's probably already telling his agent to get him out of here.
 
Juve always lowball us, makes us naturally reject the low offer. It's such a cheap tactic to maybe get a player a year or two later on for peanuts.

A tactic that only has two objectives: Get a player dirt cheap, or get the player interested for a move (later on).

I'm almost in favor of just not doing business with them at all. They're never really serious- just leeching.
 
Blood Mage said:
Can a player realistically bounce back mentally from the game Zirkzee had on Monday? He's probably already telling his agent to get him out of here.
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Be a struggle I think. It wont help that he isn't an elite player - when we signed him I viewed him very much as a player who was signed with a role in an ETH system in mind. With ETH gone and Amorims new ideas he's pretty much an empty shirt. He serves as a body in the squad or a less than ideal rotation option. We’d be better just selling him now and using Wheatley or similar for that job with an eye on using the funds to strengthen the gaping personnel holes in the first 11 we want to have. If you could sell him to finance a left wing back its a total no brainer.
 
Blood Mage said:
Can a player realistically bounce back mentally from the game Zirkzee had on Monday? He's probably already telling his agent to get him out of here.
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Beckham dealt with far worse.

This is one of our problems in recent years. Too many mentally weak players who go into hiding when the going gets even a little bit tough
 
Rojofiam said:
Vlahovic is being paid €427k per week by Juve, if Capology is to be believed. That makes me thing this is made up news.
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No feckng way is he being paid that much?? Not calling you a liar, just can't believe it.
 
There's a brilliant player in there but it doesn't always work out and we're not the easiest club to settle in so can't fault anyone if he's already moving on.
 
Is this going to be another di Maria scenario, where, once gone, he won't miss a chance to speak up how he hated everything about the club?
 
Can't see this happening unless we've got a credible no. 9 coming in on loan.

Zirkzee might not be a real number 9 but our squad is so thin with quality that we are going to have to use him (or a cheap replacement) up top.
 
JBG said:
No feckng way is he being paid that much?? Not calling you a liar, just can't believe it.
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I am certain he is being paid that, don't forget that until recently Juve were one of the biggest spenders on salary which is why they were paying Aaron Ramsey 400k a week. It is also why despite Vlahovic being quite decent for them they have been fairly open to the idea of letting him leave in the last couple of windows.
 
1988 said:
There's a brilliant player in there but it doesn't always work out and we're not the easiest club to settle in so can't fault anyone if he's already moving on.
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He's mediocre at best. Probably better suited as a backup for a PL relegation side (the irony) than at Man United.
 
Raoul said:
He's mediocre at best. Probably better suited as a backup for a PL relegation side (the irony) than at Man United.
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I think he has the potential to be more than mediocre. But I don't think it'll happen here.
 
1988 said:
I think he has the potential to be more than mediocre. But I don't think it'll happen here.
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That could well be true. An Italian or mid table German side would seem a more appropriate place for him to develop. Being thrown into the raging inferno at a transitional United was never going to work out for either party.
 
Poor old Zirkzee. That photo is going to the one that sums up his time here :lol:
 
UnitedSofa said:
The once ever reliable Di Marzio is reporting on Juve interest now

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Please.

I saw him at Bologna a couple of times under Motta & know that there is a player in him.

Sadly he was never the right choice for us. Motta will get him on the right track again.

I hope this happens for both our sakes.
 
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