Joshua Zirkzee (Out)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
If he feels that way, it's admirable, but there's really no place for him in this team and system.
If there's any truth to this, it should be an obligation with Juventus paying his full salary as well. The fee should also be around what we paid for him. There's no release clause this time and he would've cost considerably more last summer without that.
Juve would also know exactly what they're getting with Zirkzee, know how his game translates into the Serie A, and their new manager is the one who's got the most out of the player so far in his career.
Juve would also know exactly what they're getting with Zirkzee, know how his game translates into the Serie A, and their new manager is the one who's got the most out of the player so far in his career.
For sure. I'm far from an expert, but was pretty pleased with the punt on Zirkzee. Looked a handy player, if very unorthodox. Decent price and YPOTY in Italy I think? Obviously it's been a car crash but I like that kind of gamble at the right price.
The recruitment other than that I think has been good overall, certainly much better than previously.
And nothing of value to us is lost. I am apathetic.
Seriously though, it could be any United player in this position and I would say the same thing.
Stay if you want to, go if you want. If you're here though, it would be nice if it wasn't for the money.
Seriously though, it could be any United player in this position and I would say the same thing.
Stay if you want to, go if you want. If you're here though, it would be nice if it wasn't for the money.
If we could somehow get Osimhen in return from Napoli...
Shame that it won't work but we are lucky that Italy still see him as that younger player of the year from last season. Let's get the funds.
It'll be a wage saving, but there won't be any funds, it will be a loss on the books.
Won’t be a loss until he’s actually transferred though will it? You can book a loss of a loaned player?
A Zirkzee-Osimhen loan swap with an option to buy in the summer would be great
I don’t believe it , media are just putting a story onto the substitution last night
1.) If he stays here for another 6 months, it probably just tanks his value even more. So by loaning him out now, hopefully he can sustain and rebuild some of his transfer value. Also, United save money on wages and that matters.
2.) United need to sell/loan before they can buy. Casemiro and Rashford are on approximately a combined 33mm in wages per year. If United can loan Zirkee and get rid of Casemiro and Rashford, then maybe they can bring in a much needed LWB.
A proper LWB will be more useful to United than Zirkzee. (Or Casemiro and Rashford on their current form.)
I like this move if true. Zirkzee isn't a fit, so instead of sticking with him for a few years tanking his value, it's better to be proactive. It's not like Liverpool or City hit on all of their transfers. A loan back to Serie A is best for Zirkee and United, so it's a win-win.
Makes sense for them given the fact he was YPOTY in Italy, as well as Motta being his manager at Bologna.
Which makes me think this supposed option to buy should be somewhere close to what we paid. He surely hasn’t regressed as a player in 5 months, and they’d be getting a hell of a deal for anything less than 40m euros. That may sound daft after the start he’s had and what happened last night, but I think it’s true.
Which makes me think this supposed option to buy should be somewhere close to what we paid. He surely hasn’t regressed as a player in 5 months, and they’d be getting a hell of a deal for anything less than 40m euros. That may sound daft after the start he’s had and what happened last night, but I think it’s true.
I think Rashford goes to Napoli in a swap deal. Napoli want him, and Rashford already knows McTominay and Lukaku which surely makes them the front runner for a move abroad.
Haven't read anywhere that they're interested but that'd be nice. How much money on top of Zirkzee and Rashford to get Kvara and Osimhen...
It’s Conte, he loves a United reject
Maybe we just needed conte all along to get the best out of this squad full of rejects.It’s Conte, he loves a United reject
We need a donkey tamer, if there is such a thing.
If you can move him on now for a similar fee to what we paid then pull the trigger.
This is exactly the sort of sale we never make and the players career festers until they leave in 4 years for nothing having done nothing in their time here. Donny Van De Beek, Mason Mount come to mind
This is exactly the sort of sale we never make and the players career festers until they leave in 4 years for nothing having done nothing in their time here. Donny Van De Beek, Mason Mount come to mind
Agreed
Thanks United!
I'm sure he's a bit slow for the premier league, but the difference between him and Bologna and him at United is just shocking. It's not just him being slow, he just misplaces passes across 3 yards.
His first few games for United he still showed some siky touches and holdup play. Now he just looks like a worse Weghorst.
Think he's done at United after last night for sure though.
His first few games for United he still showed some siky touches and holdup play. Now he just looks like a worse Weghorst.
Think he's done at United after last night for sure though.
How do we keep getting it so wrong with these signings?
This.
One thing about this new managerial regime - they seem to be aware of their mistakes, and are trying to rectify them quickly.
I'd much prefer this than the useless pricks who would hold onto rubbish/permanently injured players for years to protect their non-existent "asset value".
What’s the situation with Osimhen? Isn’t he on loan to Galatasaray until the summer?
I just don't understand how the higher ups thought we needed a "9.5" instead of a full number 9. Which part of our game last season really suggested that we need someone like that as the final piece of the puzzle?
Likewise Mason Mount. After watching Kagawa, Mata and Van de Beek struggle to impose themselves on the team, who thought it was a great idea to try this same type of player for a 4th time? And for 60 million!
I just do not fecking get it.
I was thinking it'd be sale, I suppose a loan would free up some wages at least.
Either way it's not going to make alot of difference next month, might be better just keeping him.
To start with, targeting players with zero pace and athleticism and/or lack of height/ability in the air
I think it’s the culture and environment. Put him in United 2012 and he probably takes over from Berbatov. Put Chicarito in our current team and his confidence is through the floor after 10 games.
Yeah, but we found a way to cut Weghorst's loan in Turkey short (paying off Besiktas I think), so we could technically be able to pay off Galatasaray and Napoli to get Osimhen. If it's remotely possible, we have to do it
Nope. We can do it if it makes sense but all the signs are that it won't. He is currently competing for silverware in Turkey and won't swap that for 6 months on loan in Manchester trying to climb to mid table. It would have to be a permanent deal and if that is the case then it will mean paying a huge fee and agreeing yet another huge salary for a forward who has scored over 20 league goals just once in his career, his next best return being 15.
Osimhen is better than what we currently have no doubt but he is not a sure thing and has a concerning recent injury record, where have we seen this movie before? We need new signings all over the team and cannot afford to sink everything into one big money deal.
Don’t blame him wanting to leave after the other night
Whoever sanctioned the deal has no idea how to build a team. It's clear he wasn't the fit required.
Under Motta again he will be fine. But I think he will struggle elsewhere
Under Motta again he will be fine. But I think he will struggle elsewhere
Ashworth?
well thank goodness he's gone now
He's actually had some good appearances off the bench as well, even quite recently. But other than one or two of his early games, I think he's been shocking in literally every single match he's started.
If we were going all-in on Rashford and Garnacho playing as our inverted wingers, a false nine to bring them into play isn't necessarily a bad idea. Having those two and Hojlund was always a badly balanced attack as you generally need at least one of the three to be a bit more of a creator. I'm guessing that was the thinking on his signing.
Zirkzee didn't really work in the early days in that style, and now we've changed system to something that really doesn't suit him at all.
This
I get the notion but I’m sure even they wouldn’t be able to turn the likes of Antony and Zirkzee around….though that being said, they create a lot of chances and have one of the GOAT PL attackers and a highly functioning team who’s even able to accommodate Darwin at times….so you could be onto something with Zirkzee.
Pity how it’s worked out. Off to the best start imaginable with that winner against Fulham (iirc) on opening day….to this….
United have a history of signing players cause they could.
Fellaini and Mata were both signed for no other reason then Woodward made a balls of transfers and needed to make signings.
Since then United have thrown money at players cause we haven’t had a cohesive plan. Most teams in EPL maybe need 2-3 signings each season and their squads can retain relatively strong standard even if managers change.
United choose a manager , then look at the squad and need to make nearly a full 11 player swap. From the very start all United managers are working with a squad not suited to them.
The issue with Zirkzee is even when he first came here when his confidence must have been up he showed nothing at all. He was terrible from the very start. I think it's just a case of a big money move to a new league in a high pressure environment and he's flopped hard. Clearly he's got talent he wouldn't have won YPOTY in Italy if he didn't. For his sake he should get the feck out of here.