John O'Shea (moderators go away this needs airing)

reddermo

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I am very tired of the constant Thuram, Ayala, Nesta, Canavarro, Huffland, Lucio, Coodulawhateverhisnameisatalaves rumours.

Are we not forgetting the brilliant John O'Shea??

I think that the present four (Larry, Ronald, Wes and John) + Gazza + Micky for emergencies is sufficient.

Give John a chance for feck sake it is in the tradition. Edwards, Carey, Stiles, Mc Grath, Moran,Foulkes. What more do I need to say??? <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
My only problem with O'Shea is that he doesn't seem to pacy. Now, neither is Blanc, but O'Shea isn't Blanc. O'Shea should go train with Maurice Greene for half the day, and then with Blanc for the other half. That would be ideal.
 
Having seen both Wes Brown and John O'Shea play I have never been as excited to see two ball playing, anticipating, laid back and cultured centre halves.

In the United style.

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Originally posted by reddermo:
<strong>Having seen both Wes Brown and John O'Shea play I have never been as excited to see two ball playing, anticipating, laid back and cultured centre halves.

In the United style.

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We don't want them too laid back. Again, if O'Shea had Wes' speed, I would be much happier.
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We don't want them too laid back. Again, if O'Shea had Wes' speed, I would be much happier.
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John has pace and the brain of a McGrath (unsozzled) <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
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I think it's a bit early to talk about that. Will Blanc delay his retirement? Will Johnsen stay at the club? I feel there's a chance Fergie will only want to keep one of the two - preferably Blanc with Ronny's never-ending injured record.

I don't believe the 'Finnan to United - Gary Neville to regular centerhalf' stories. Neville's good, but he's not a world class centerhalf. But I can see one signing at centerhalf with him, Blanc, Brown and O'Shea as the top four centerhalves in the club.
 
I'm telling you, these two kids will both be world class in four years time, and the longer Blanc stays the quicker they will develop.

Many people have been complaining about the youth setup over the past few years, not bringing through new talent etc. Wait to see how these two kids are when they have matured!

As for Johnsen, I feel so sorry for him. He's a world class (and I mean that totally) central defender, and is just as good as Hyypia but also more flexible. Put Ronny into the midfield and he's perfectly at home. It's just so sad to see him have injury after injury after injury! :(

I think SAF will give him a new 1 year contract though, as his knowledge to Brown and O'Shea is priceless! I really hope that he is fit for the final if we get there. He deserves it!

Does anyone else agree? Especially those who have watched him recently?
 
Ronny Johnsen is always class when hes fit. He'd been playing well alongside Larry before his new injury.
I'd like to see both get a new 1 year contract, perhaps Ronny with a pay-if-youre-fit-to-play type of deal.
 
Johnsen was absolutely spectacular against Deportivo. The man is a brilliant defender.

He will always have a special place in my heart for his heroics in the treble year (with Stam and Berg).

The other thing about Johnsen is that he is cheap in terms of wages.

It will be a very sad day if United show Ronny the door. He does not want to go anywhere. New contract is appropriate.

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So enough of this transfer bollix about centre halves.

We have four ball playing strollers who are a joy to watch. And David May. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
reddermo:
I am very tired of the constant Thuram, Ayala, Nesta, Canavarro, Huffland, Lucio, Coodulawhateverhisnameisatalaves rumours.<hr></blockquote>
Give John a chance for feck sake<hr></blockquote>

Couldnt agree more. I would much rather see wes and john develop (hopefully under the influence of Blanc) than have some big signing walk in and keep either of them out of the first team, even if it means a few more goals conceded, we'll just have to get a few more at the other end to compensate :) .

As for O'Shea, he looked composed and very good in the few games i saw (TV) but what i liked the most was the way he seemed to talk, for one so young. I can remember in one game (only his 2nd or 3rd) Barthez was slow coming for the ball and O'Shea had no hesitation in putting his arms out and letting barthez know to hurry up and get the ball. Point being that O'Shea looked the type that might take charge at the back once he gets a good run in the first team. Maybe someone whos seen/heard him playing could confirm my thought.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>I'm telling you, these two kids will both be world class in four years time, and the longer Blanc stays the quicker they will develop.

Many people have been complaining about the youth setup over the past few years, not bringing through new talent etc. Wait to see how these two kids are when they have matured!

As for Johnsen, I feel so sorry for him. He's a world class (and I mean that totally) central defender, and is just as good as Hyypia but also more flexible. Put Ronny into the midfield and he's perfectly at home. It's just so sad to see him have injury after injury after injury! :(

I think SAF will give him a new 1 year contract though, as his knowledge to Brown and O'Shea is priceless! I really hope that he is fit for the final if we get there. He deserves it!

Does anyone else agree? Especially those who have watched him recently?</strong><hr></blockquote>

100 percent agreed! Ronny is incredibly likeable and has been a fantastic servant. Of course he should have a new one-year contract!
People usually go on about Ole - but for me those two chaps are a pair with very similar qualities. Two of Fergie's best acquisitions, and that says a lot.
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John O'shea is already World Class. Besides he is going to leran from a master like Blanc and probably if we get Nesta/Ayala and Johnsen how to be the complte article. Remember that Johnsen and Blanc will disapper after the next two years leaving O'shea with Brown and another Worldclass centerback to hold the rear for United. Buy then United Would have the three best centerbacks on the planet. Don't you agree? ;)
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>John O'shea is already World Class. Besides he is going to leran from a master like Blanc and probably if we get Nesta/Ayala and Johnsen how to be the complte article. Remember that Johnsen and Blanc will disapper after the next two years leaving O'shea with Brown and another Worldclass centerback to hold the rear for United. Buy then United Would have the three best centerbacks on the planet. Don't you agree? ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Total bollox kemo. How anyone can call O'Shea world class is beyond me. The guy has played a handful of first team games, is very young and I would suggest, is a long, long way from the finished article. The point is this really: he has potential, no doubt, but next season when we play a CL match and are faced with injuries to both Blanc and Johnsen (I think both will sign yr extentions) would you feel confident with O'Shea? I wouldn't. The guy needs a year or two playing more first team matches initially against the teams outside the top 5 and then in the second year, having learnt from Larry, against the more quality opponents and the teams in the first round phase of CL. To say he's ready to take centre stage next year is a joke.
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1) I never said he should take center stage next year! :(

2) Did you watch our away game with Lille when he played. Do you know that he and Caroll single handedly (with some of Blancs help) kept us from being washed and whipped by a big a margin.! For a youngster O'shea is World class. He just has no experience. Unlike Brown. Give him two more seasons and see what he and Brown will do for United! <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>1) I never said he should take center stage next year! :(

2) Did you watch our away game with Lille when he played. Do you know that he and Caroll single handedly (with some of Blancs help) kept us from being washed and whipped by a big a margin.! For a youngster O'shea is World class. He just has no experience. Unlike Brown. Give him two more seasons and see what he and Brown will do for United! <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Sounds like Carroll's world class an all...
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Davo.

CAROLL IS NOT WORLD CLASS!!!!!


GET IT!!!!!

Thats is why Landreau is coming in the summer
OKAY!!! :mad: :mad:
 
Sounds confusing to me...

One player has one good game and is world class..

Another has a one good game and isn't..

I wish I had your understanding.
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>For a youngster O'shea is World class. He just has no experience. </strong><hr></blockquote>


so, in fact, a young, inexperienced world class player?

what's your definition of 'world class', kemo?

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I've seen O'Shea play in all his first team games, and I've not seen him put a foot wrong. But come on, we're talking very few games here. Nowhere near enough to form an opinion of him.

He's young and totally inexperienced, when experience is everything to a defender. Defending is all about making the right decisions, judging the offside trap correctly, knowing whose runs to pick up, whether to slide into a tackle or try to stay on your feet etc. This takes time to master. Its alright to say he looks promising from what little we've seen of him, but world class? Give him a break, he doesn't need that kind of pressure.

Same goes with Wes, it should be clear by now that I think very highly of Wes, but the standards are so high at United that you have to be generous to the kids in terms of time they have to prove themselves. Playing kids is all very well if they are a striker, or pacy winger, but not central defenders. If we bought Mexes for instance, I wouldn't want him as immediate first choice. Thats the main reason why Mexes and Guy Roux want him to stay another year, so that he gets first team games away from the spotlight and pressure of a glamour team.
 
He's looked your best defender in the games I've seen him play, but aren't these 'world class' comments somewhat premature.
 
btw, why the 'moderators go away'? Is O'Shea related debate not allowed?
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>I'm telling you, these two kids will both be world class in four years time</strong><hr></blockquote>

I did say 4 years! ;)
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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I did say 4 years! ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

So you're saying he's almost half a decade away from being considered a world class player? Hardly the sort you want in your defence when you're challenging for honours against the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus and Liverpool. ;)
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Anyway every team needs back u defenders no matter how ineeperienced. Besides whenever O'shea has palyed for United senoirs he has shown. A hing that can't be said about Caroll....to answaer your qualms Davo :D
 
Why do I have to go away?

I think you're right. Im sick of the name-droppers, but O'Shea will get his proper chance if/when Fergie feels he's ready.
 
Question: How do you give a young, talented defender the experience he needs to become a world class player?

Answer: You give him time on the fecking park instead of pumping johnsen full of pain killers in the hope he can string 6 or 8 games together.

O'Shea was given a chance to play and he proved himself, didnt put a foot wrong. dont give me this bullshit about speed, he is plenty fast enough, bruce and pallister where no speedsters but they were the most reliable, solid defenders we have ever had. The kid should have been left in the team until there was a reason to pull him out, even if he fecked up a couple of times he would have learned from it and would be even better for us next season.

give the kid a chance for fecks sake.
 
Originally posted by Melbourne Red:
<strong>btw, why the 'moderators go away'? Is O'Shea related debate not allowed?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think he's on about his topics being moved around the forum's.But he's got it in the right one this time.
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And being subsummed into leviathan topics like "Centre halves". <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
 
Agree wholeheartedly with zippy there,I mean if we have to wait anothercouple of years for OShea to be "ready"he might as well go back to Waterford and play junior footy.Hes plenty ready as it is,imo Fergie has fecked up in not breaking him in.When he got a chance it was in the middle of a defensive slump we were having-he came in and to be honest showed maturity and excellence well beyond his years.OShea is going to be a world class defender,of that I am sure;the only reason he didnt get his chance might have been because of Fergies loyalty to the Nevilles,which is understandable,but misconstrued imo.OShea should be comfortable with Premiership football at this stage,the reason he is not is not his fault,it was out of his hands.I would be amazed if he were not first choice fairly lively next season ;)
 
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