James Wilson vs Will Keane

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I know they are at different stages of their development, but how do people compare these two? Many are saying Wilson should get a first team shot, while the exact same was said about Keane for a while. I know Keane has been injured, but his loan spells haven't gone too well so far. I think his situation should serve as a caution to Wilson, if indeed there was any doubt at all that there is still a long way to go.

Will Keane does not look close to stepping into the first-team at present, although it cannot be said that Wilson has passed him without going on loan and showing he can do it at a higher level.

If a striker was to be introduced into the first-team any time soon, who would you rather it was, and why? Of course Henriquez is another option, although I'm just referring to Keane/Wilson in this discussion.
 
Personally I'd prefer Henriquez over both by a LONG way, his composure etc is what's great about him...

Out of the two mentioned, I'd still take Will Keane, he's of the age where if he isn't making an impression soon, the impression he will make will never be big enough IMO
 
Angelo > Wilson > Keane IMO.

Agree with @ Jaybezia Angelo can be an in house replacement for RVP/ Chicharito, he's the most gifted striker of the three, a lethal finisher, and has all the intangibles to be a class player. Just needs more top flight game time.
Wilson may overtake Angelo in the club's pecking order being an academy product. He's not as natural a goalscorer as the Chilean but he's ridiculously quick, has a great left peg and is a hard worker. Seems like he's on his way to being fast tracked into the first team.
Keane has sadly stalled a bit since his injury, even his loans have been average at best. Unfortunately for him, he been overtaken by Wilson at least in my book. Just can't picture him at United for the long term. Will be moved on.

EDIT : OP Y u not make poll ? :confused:
 
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Rozay said:
I know they are at different stages of their development, but how do people compare these two? Many are saying Wilson should get a first team shot, while the exact same was said about Keane for a while. I know Keane has been injured, but his loan spells haven't gone too well so far. I think his situation should serve as a caution to Wilson, if indeed there was any doubt at all that there is still a long way to go.

Will Keane does not look close to stepping into the first-team at present, although it cannot be said that Wilson has passed him without going on loan and showing he can do it at a higher level.

If a striker was to be introduced into the first-team any time soon, who would you rather it was, and why? Of course Henriquez is another option, although I'm just referring to Keane/Wilson in this discussion.
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It is not easy to come back after an year out due to a serious knee injury. Will lost crucial part of his development during that period, just when it looked he was ready to be a part of the first team squad.

I don't understand why will it serve as a caution to Wilson. You can neither predict nor account for future injuries.
 
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Mauzindark said:
Angelo > Wilson > Keane IMO.

Agree with @ Jaybezia Angelo can be an in house replacement for RVP/ Chicharito, he's the most gifted striker of the three, a lethal finisher, and has all the intangibles to be a class player. Just needs more top flight game time.
Wilson may overtake Angelo in the club's pecking order being an academy product. He's not as natural a goalscorer as the Chilean but he's ridiculously quick, has a great left peg and is a hard worker. Seems like he's on his way to being fast tracked into the first team.
Keane has sadly stalled a bit since his injury, even his loans have been average at best. Unfortunately for him, he been overtaken by Wilson at least in my book. Just can't picture him at United for the long term. Will be moved on.

EDIT : OP Y u not make poll ? :confused:
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Is Angelo a better goal scorer than either of Keane or Wilson? From what I have seen of him, he didn't look like the most gifted of three. Also, doesn't have the pace of Wilson. If anything, I would say Wilson is the more clinical finisher. Did you watch him for Universidad de Chile or on loan at Zaragoza?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Henrriquez started off going great guns on his loan spell but seems to have gone off the boil since. Not sure he's in their best XI any more.

On a side note, who can guess (without checking!) which United loanee has the best goals/game record?
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Macheda/ Powell? And Henriquez is in bad form, the talent is there, trust me.
 
@Mauzindark

Agreed with everything you said, except I wouldn't actually limit Henriquez in that sense, I rate him so highly, there's nothing I haven't seen him do... except all at once :lol:
 
For you praising Henriquez how much have you seen of him? I've only seen him a few times in the reserves and I was less than impressed. Didn't look all that and his numbers on loan have been dire for the last for the last 4 months. I don't even think he is getting into the starting XI.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Fairly sure it's Macheda.And that was before the brace in the last game he played.
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:lol: Doesn't surprise me, he's goal return is the only thing he has going for him... He's very good at doing nothing yet managing somehow to score ...

limerickcitykid said:
For you praising Henriquez how much have you seen of him? I've only seen him a few times in the reserves and I was less than impressed. Didn't look all that and his numbers on loan have been dire for the last for the last 4 months. I don't even think he is getting into the starting XI.
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I don't comment on players I know little about, as it's effective worthless. I have genuinely seen more Henriquez than most, the reason? I bought him accidently on football manager in 2009/10 and he turned into a gem, decided to find out who he was in real life and started following him, about a year later, we bought him and I was over the moon :lol: Silly story really, but it's true, at Universidad, I think he only played 10-11 games for the first team, scored 6 or 7, but you just have to watch this lad, he is something else, whether he fulfills his potential, who knows? But I'd rate his potential over any player under 21 at Manchester United excluding Januzaj.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Henrriquez started off going great guns on his loan spell but seems to have gone off the boil since. Not sure he's in their best XI any more.

On a side note, who can guess (without checking!) which United loanee has the best goals/game record?
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I think Henriquez is injured now, perhaps for a while too with a bad hamstring injury.

I haven't really caught much of him on loan, but I think he has about 8 or 9 goals for Real, which is impressive. He's also playing in a top flight as opposed to the Championship. He'll likely go to the World Cup with Chile too, so will be good to see him at that level.

Isn't he also younger than Keane?
 
Just checked Wiki and apparently Henriquez has 5 in 15 for Real, which isn't at all bad. He's still 19. He also has 2 in 3 for Chile.
 
Mauzindark said:
Angelo > Wilson > Keane IMO.

Agree with @ Jaybezia Angelo can be an in house replacement for RVP/ Chicharito, he's the most gifted striker of the three, a lethal finisher, and has all the intangibles to be a class player. Just needs more top flight game time.
Wilson may overtake Angelo in the club's pecking order being an academy product. He's not as natural a goalscorer as the Chilean but he's ridiculously quick, has a great left peg and is a hard worker. Seems like he's on his way to being fast tracked into the first team.
Keane has sadly stalled a bit since his injury, even his loans have been average at best. Unfortunately for him, he been overtaken by Wilson at least in my book. Just can't picture him at United for the long term. Will be moved on.

EDIT : OP Y u not make poll ? :confused:
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I didn't want to do a poll as I thought with players this young, a bit more of an informal/softer discussion would be better than a harsher 'he's good and he's crap' kinda debate.
 
Can only say on reserves and u18 viewings but for me Wilson has shown more than Keane and Henriques at that level.

That injury seems to have feckd up Will Keane's career though, fairly sure an injury free William Keane would have been in our squad right now. People remember that Blackburn game for wrong reasons but even at that age Fergie didn't hesitate to put Will Keane on the pitch.
 
Wilson because in reality a 4th or 5th choice striker is most likely to be required to come off the bench when we are chasing the game. Wilson's pace might just be enough to get in a shot or a cross that could ultimately result in a goal.
 
I think Keane will be a very good striker just not at United. Lacks a bit of raw pace/power.

Wilson could potentially be a top striker but he has much further to go as of yet. Let's see how he does out on loan.
 
Rowem said:
I think Keane will be a very good striker just not at United. Lacks a bit of raw pace/power.

Wilson could potentially be a top striker but he has much further to go as of yet. Let's see how he does out on loan.
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I agree. I'm not sure whether Keane is, or will end up, better than Macheda personally. He gets a lot of stick but certainly knows where the goal is.
 
Rozay said:
I think Henriquez is injured now, perhaps for a while too with a bad hamstring injury.

I haven't really caught much of him on loan, but I think he has about 8 or 9 goals for Real, which is impressive. He's also playing in a top flight as opposed to the Championship. He'll likely go to the World Cup with Chile too, so will be good to see him at that level.

Isn't he also younger than Keane?
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James Wilson 01/12/1995
Angelo Henriquez 13/04/1994
Will Keane 11/01/1993

Keane is the oldest, but for me Henriquez will be the biggest, I'd imagine Wilson should he continue his trajectory shan't be far behind where I hope Henriquez will be
 
Shinjisan said:
Is Angelo a better goal scorer than either of Keane or Wilson? From what I have seen of him, he didn't look like the most gifted of three. Also, doesn't have the pace of Wilson. If anything, I would say Wilson is the more clinical finisher. Did you watch him for Universidad de Chile or on loan at Zaragoza?
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Watched him at Zaragoza and for Chile in the U-20 World Cup where he was played out wide but still managed to chip in with 3 goals. He's suffering from a lack of fitness at Zaragoza right now. But he's an immense talent though obviously not as fast as Wilson. He's two footed, good in the air for a shortish lad, has a real eye for goal and is very elusive. A lot of people have compared him to Ruud in his style of play. He's very clinical just like the Dutchman, scored 20 in 17 Chile U-20 caps and 2 goals in 3 matches for the Chile national team for whom he was capped at just 18. Didn't really watch him at Universidad though apparently Fergie had been monitoring him since he was 14...
 
Henriquez is injured.

It's a bit unfair to compare the two given Keane's injury but the two are inevitably going to be. I think Wilson is the flavour of the moment right now but I don't see much between the two of them at their peaks. Wilson may be slightly more dynamic if anything but both are good goalscorers, have good movement and can score out of nothing
 
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Henriquez is injured.

It's a bit unfair to compare the two given Keane's injury but the two are inevitably going to be. I think Wilson is the flavour of the moment right now but I don't see much between the two of them at their peaks. Wilson may be slightly more dynamic if anything but both are good goalscorers, have good movement and can score out of nothing
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Precisely, the comparison is inevitable. Yes, we all know Keane had an injury. If that's what he wants his legacy of his United career to be, then we can keep trotting out his injury as mitigation. The fact is, time waits for no one, and he is back now. the threat of Wilson is very real, and if Keane doesn't want Wilson to pass him, he simply has to make it despite his injury.
 
As far as I know henriquez has also been suffering from a few illnesses since before Christmas so hasn't been properly fit for a while even before his injury. Having watched most of his games for universidad I rate him every bit as highly as Keane and wilson if not more so. His movement is among the best Ive seen for such a young player he constantly makes intelligent runs into the channels and behind defenders similar to hernandez and when he gets his chance he's pretty clinical both with his feet and his head. Wilson is the most explosive of the three with an incredible burst of pace and a very cool head when he gets his chance he's particularly effective when one on one with a keeper and rounds them with ease. The one doubt I had about him was his effectiveness when teams defended deep and denied him space in behind he tended to disappear out of games a bit but this year he's improved that hugely by coming deeper at times and running at defenders. I also think giving him the captaincy of the under 18s at the start of the season and the under 19s was a great decision as he's working harder than ever and hounding defenders which has lead to a couple of goals. Will Keane is similar to henriquez in some ways in that he has an old head on young shoulders and is prolific despite not really having any outstanding pace or strength, his greatest strengths are his cleverness, touch and coolness in front of goal similar to solskjaer. Although he hasn't reached the heights of his play pre injury his touch and general play have looked good he just seems to be lacking a bit of sharpness which is to be expected given how long he was out. He shouldn't be written off as I think with a proper pre season and more games he could easily get back to his best so shouldn't be written off
 
Mauzindark said:
Watched him at Zaragoza and for Chile in the U-20 World Cup where he was played out wide but still managed to chip in with 3 goals. He's suffering from a lack of fitness at Zaragoza right now. But he's an immense talent though obviously not as fast as Wilson. He's two footed, good in the air for a shortish lad, has a real eye for goal and is very elusive. A lot of people have compared him to Ruud in his style of play. He's very clinical just like the Dutchman, scored 20 in 17 Chile U-20 caps and 2 goals in 3 matches for the Chile national team for whom he was capped at just 18. Didn't really watch him at Universidad though apparently Fergie had been monitoring him since he was 14...
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Thanks.

I would love to see one of the three part of the first team squad next season. With both Robin and Rooney committing, Welbeck adding goals and Hernandez the likeliest to leave, it would be good to get one of the young lads in the first team. With Januzaj & Mata both capable to play the number 10 position, we can go in the season with 3 established strikers plus a young one. No need for four.
 
Rozay said:
Precisely, the comparison is inevitable. Yes, we all know Keane had an injury. If that's what he wants his legacy of his United career to be, then we can keep trotting out his injury as mitigation. The fact is, time waits for no one, and he is back now. the threat of Wilson is very real, and if Keane doesn't want Wilson to pass him, he simply has to make it despite his injury.
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That's all a bit... trite. He's not made any excuses or trotted his injury out as mitigation, I'm sure he has no intention of that being 'the legacy of his United career' and I'm sure he's determined to make it. There's just no getting past the fact it's set him back so seriously though.

As for Henríquez, can't comment a great deal on his career pre-United but think it's fair to say he's not really done anything since joining to encourage any feeling he's the best of the three or a likely first-teamer. There's mitigation for him too but pretty average reserve/u21 displays and so-so loan spells... you'd expect a little more from him to justify some of the hype there's been.
 
They're different types of striker. Wilson is the one clearly in form. He's got a great work ethic, drifts out wide. Very direct but clinical. He's a clean striker of the ball. Keane doesn't have Wilsons pace but he is an intelligent player who can link up play and again a clean taker of chances. It's grossly unfair to judge Keane since his return. It's obvious that this season is all about him getting back into his rhythm. We won't see the best of him until pre season onwards.

They all have very good potential and if we can build the right team to support these players, they'll have a great chance.
 
PS18 said:
That's all a bit... trite. He's not made any excuses or trotted his injury out as mitigation, I'm sure he has no intention of that being 'the legacy of his United career' and I'm sure he's determined to make it. There's just no getting past the fact it's set him back so seriously though.

As for Henríquez, can't comment a great deal on his career pre-United but think it's fair to say he's not really done anything since joining to encourage any feeling he's the best of the three or a likely first-teamer. There's mitigation for him too but pretty average reserve/u21 displays and so-so loan spells... you'd expect a little more from him to justify some of the hype there's been.
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I didn’t say he has made any excuses. I also didn't say it to him! I was referring to those on here who constantly reference his injury. My point is, this is where we are now. He was injured. He is back. He can only make it or not make it based on the player that he is, not the player he could have been if he never got injured.

I'm pretty sure Keane intends to make it here, as does Wilson. The injury is now irrelevant.
 
PS18 said:
That's all a bit... trite. He's not made any excuses or trotted his injury out as mitigation, I'm sure he has no intention of that being 'the legacy of his United career' and I'm sure he's determined to make it. There's just no getting past the fact it's set him back so seriously though.

As for Henríquez, can't comment a great deal on his career pre-United but think it's fair to say he's not really done anything since joining to encourage any feeling he's the best of the three or a likely first-teamer. There's mitigation for him too but pretty average reserve/u21 displays and so-so loan spells... you'd expect a little more from him to justify some of the hype there's been.
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I'm flabbergasted by this thread hypin the shit outta Henriquez too... He's done nothing to stand out as a future first-teamer!
 
Red Hand Devil said:
I'm flabbergasted by this thread hypin the shit outta Henriquez too... He's done nothing to stand out as a future first-teamer!
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He had a good goalscoring record playing first team football in Chile an 17/18 year old, has a very impressive goal scoring record for the Chilean national team at under age levels and has played and scored for the full international side and scored a couple of goals.

He's arguably done more to stand out than Wilson or Keane....
 
Heffo said:
He had a good goalscoring record playing first team football in Chile an 17/18 year old, has a very impressive goal scoring record for the Chilean national team at under age levels and has played and scored for the full international side and scored a couple of goals.

He's arguably done more to stand out than Wilson or Keane....
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Not at United he hasn't.
 
Heffo said:
He had a good goalscoring record playing first team football in Chile an 17/18 year old, has a very impressive goal scoring record for the Chilean national team at under age levels and has played and scored for the full international side and scored a couple of goals.

He's arguably done more to stand out than Wilson or Keane....
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He United at hasnt not..
 
KM said:
Not at United he hasn't.
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How many reserve games did he play at United? Very few that I can remember. Is it a surprise that an 18 year old kid who just moved to a new continent didn't look at his best?

I'm not saying I rate Henriquez higher than the other two, I'm a big fan of Wilson and was a big fan of Keane pre-injury. I was replying to a post that said "He's done nothing to stand out a future first teamer", no mention of at United. And while he hasn't been lighting it up on his loan spell, he hasn't exactly been a disappointment. His goal return is certainly better than Keane's has been. So I would argue he has done plenty to show he could be a future first teamer, if not in u-18 and u-21 games for United.
 
Fair enough mate. Maybe I am a bit underwhelmed by him considering he hasn't justified his hype so far but yeah you make good points.
 
Keane was brilliant and was rightly being integrated in the first team before his injury, he's come back understandably off the pace and it will take a while to see if he can recapture the form he had. He's unfortunately not shown he can do it at any reasonable level yet, so it's difficult to say what his real level is. I don't think it's looking good for him at United though.

Henriquez was a top scorer for the Chilean league champions at 17, he was also scoring regularly in the Copa Libertadores. He's also nicked some goals at international level for Chile and scored in preseason for United. He has been a little unlucky to suffer from a virus over the winter that left him very weak and he's having to build his strength and endurance back up. I think he's a very intelligent player with excellent movement (he's one of those that are always moving, even when teammates ignore/don't see the run), workrate and finishing. He's also a surprisingly decent dribbler from what I saw of him out wide for Wigan.

Wilson is as good or better than Keane was at this age. He could go on to be a top quality forward. People used to say he was just a finisher but we're starting to see his quality now he's getting stronger and more difficult to knock off the ball.
 
KM said:
Fair enough mate. Maybe I am a bit underwhelmed by him considering he hasn't justified his hype so far but yeah you make good points.
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I understand where you're coming from as well, it's easier to get excited about a player you've seen regularly excel at the level he's been playing at.

All players involved still have to prove they can step up, but I think it's difficult to say any of them are more likely to make the step up or have shown significantly more or less based off their body of work so far.
 
Jaybezia said:
Personally I'd prefer Henriquez over both by a LONG way, his composure etc is what's great about him...

Out of the two mentioned, I'd still take Will Keane, he's of the age where if he isn't making an impression soon, the impression he will make will never be big enough IMO
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Well over the top unless it's based on something you saw when he played in Chile.
 
PS18 said:
As for Henríquez, can't comment a great deal on his career pre-United but think it's fair to say he's not really done anything since joining to encourage any feeling he's the best of the three or a likely first-teamer. There's mitigation for him too but pretty average reserve/u21 displays and so-so loan spells... you'd expect a little more from him to justify some of the hype there's been.
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it's the shiny object syndrome!
 
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