Jadon Sancho - Chelsea (loan) watch | £5M opt-out fee

We had to get rid and £25m is a great deal for Chelsea.
It's not that great a deal. If he was earning £30k a week as a young rotational option with potential to improve, then you could see the value in taking a punt. However, I imagine that Sancho is earning significantly more than that and I don't anticipate that he will improve on his current level.
 
We will see. I didn’t want him at Chelsea before we got him and I don’t think he’s done enough for me to be considered the long term answer. You might be right about his quality, I won’t shy away from coming back here to tell you you were right at later date, if I feel that way, but what I’ll always push back on is when I see how his decent games be described as shit and invisible. That’s where I’m coming from in this.

Guess we see things through a different lens. I've seen a-lot of giddy Chelsea hype online about him, which doesn't remotely correlate to his performances. For what it's worth, there was the same OTT narrative being pushed during his Dortmund loan spell.
 
Guess we see things through a different lens. I've seen a-lot of giddy Chelsea hype online about him, which doesn't remotely correlate to his performances. For what it's worth, there was the same OTT narrative being pushed during his Dortmund loan spell.
It wasn't even his Dortmund spell, it was that game against PSG where he was admittedly outstanding
 
Guess we see things through a different lens. I've seen a-lot of giddy Chelsea hype online about him, which doesn't remotely correlate to his performances. For what it's worth, there was the same OTT narrative being pushed during his Dortmund loan spell.

I’ve seen some of that hype on social media, and you’re right a lot of that is to get a reaction out of United fans. That doesn’t mean we have to go to the other end of extreme in response though, which is what I feel like is happening in here sometimes.
 
It wasn't even his Dortmund spell, it was that game against PSG where he was admittedly outstanding

Yes, one game. But then the revisionism started and apparently he was actually quite good for Dortmund. Which directly contradicted the criticism aimed at him pre the PSG game when he single handedly won Dortmund the quadruple.
 
I’ve seen some of that hype on social media, and you’re right a lot of that is to get a reaction out of United fans. That doesn’t mean we have to go to the other end of extreme in response though, which is what I feel like is happening in here sometimes.

Fair enough. I guess there's also a strong dislike for him on here, which again, is fair enough.
 
Guess we see things through a different lens. I've seen a-lot of giddy Chelsea hype online about him, which doesn't remotely correlate to his performances. For what it's worth, there was the same OTT narrative being pushed during his Dortmund loan spell.
I mean that's just pretty much the usual twitter stuff.

"Thankyou Chelsea" trends on that platform everytime Havertz or Sterling kick a ball in a straight line and no doubt will the minute Mount has a good game/big moment for you guys aswell.
 
I mean that's just pretty much the usual twitter stuff.

"Thankyou Chelsea" trends on that platform everytime Havertz or Sterling kick a ball in a straight line and no doubt will the minute Mount has a good game/big moment for you guys aswell.

That's surprising, as I honestly thought it was more a thing that seemed to happen when we sell players. Thing is, you guys have sold some gems that ended up as amazing PL players. We've generally sold players like Welbeck and Sancho and its been made out that we sold worldies.

The Mount one is interesting. The vast majority of United fans didn't want him, despite the fact that he done far more for your lot, than Sancho did for us. Yet, the impression I got is that Chelsea fans seemed fairly ok with the Sancho signing. Just an odd one. I guess we look in different places and see different things, which is fair enough.
 
Fair enough. I guess there's also a strong dislike for him on here, which again, is fair enough.

Understandable too. It’s why I mostly stayed out of this thread earlier this season. There’s a history there that has nothing to do with Chelsea. But, glad we found common ground.
 
Must feel good knowing even on his quiet days the attention and scrutiny will be very minimal.

If he can get about 5 G/A he can tick along without any fuss.

Glad for him.
 
You say that as if it's not mostly from you!

I mean, he's a massive prick. But I can look past that. What I can't find peace with is people looking at mediocre performance and trying to find something that isn't there. No siree, that's a bridge too far.
 
Being invisible is less him and more the team collectively losing their cool in games. But yes I’d say he’s outperformed that price tag. I don’t think he’s the answer long term answer though.

There's not a 25 mil obligation.

It's 20 if Chelsea finish 14th and up to 25 depending on how high we finish in the league.

Sadly we ain't winning the league.
Even still at his wages for a fee between £20-25m it doesn't feel as much as a steal despite his upturn in form.

From a United perspective we have Amad who is a similar operator and the side would probably be a bit unbalanced if they both played in the same XI.
 
That's surprising, as I honestly thought it was more a thing that seemed to happen when we sell players. Thing is, you guys have sold some gems that ended up as amazing PL players. We've generally sold players like Welbeck and Sancho and its been made out that we sold worldies.

The Mount one is interesting. The vast majority of United fans didn't want him, despite the fact that he done far more for your lot, than Sancho did for us. Yet, the impression I got is that Chelsea fans seemed fairly ok with the Sancho signing. Just an odd one. I guess we look in different places and see different things, which is fair enough.
unfortunately chelsea fans looks for racists who’d sell tickets to see their own grandmother for a fiver to idolise.
 
Yeah I remember the welbeck revisionism, average for us, average for them but because he scored that one goal against us in the fa cup and media was like you let go a diamond.

To be fair, it's not just the media but a section of our fans too that does this.
 
He’s actually worth his price tag. Talented player who averages 6/10 for a season.

Most overrated English player I’ve ever seen based on Output vs talent.
 
Was better than Madueke, Felix and Neto. 2 key passes, 4 dribbles, 2 shots but neither hit the target

Jackson and Palmer were better. Semenyo on the other side was also better and took his goal really well
 
How’s it going to work with wages at the end of the season? I assume we’re not going to continue subsidising and Sancho isn’t going to want to drop from his big wages. Must be all agreed in advance.
 
Yes, one game. But then the revisionism started and apparently he was actually quite good for Dortmund. Which directly contradicted the criticism aimed at him pre the PSG game when he single handedly won Dortmund the quadruple.

I keep hearing about this supposed renaissance Sancho had at Dortmund and currently has at Chelsea and I can't help but ask myself if others are watching some alternate reality broadcast?
 
I keep hearing about this supposed renaissance Sancho had at Dortmund and currently has at Chelsea and I can't help but ask myself if others are watching some alternate reality broadcast?
Think his 6 months at Dortmund weren't really great (other than PSG) but it seems like he's doing decent for Chelsea. Nothing spectacular but better in system that suits him better.
 
He's been garbage. Still can't take a man on, everything very safe and stat padding.
 
There's not a 25 mil obligation.

It's 20 if Chelsea finish 14th and up to 25 depending on how high we finish in the league.

Sadly we ain't winning the league.

Seems closer to 25 anyway. The 1-2m delta from 1st - 5th / 6th doesn't matter much.

How is the obligation is going to work? Do you get to renegotiate his salary / contract length when you sign him permanently?
 
Seems closer to 25 anyway. The 1-2m delta from 1st - 5th / 6th doesn't matter much.

How is the obligation is going to work? Do you get to renegotiate his salary / contract length when you sign him permanently?

Of course. He’s a brand new signing at that point.
 
Very neat player - with some flair in moments but not a player who should constantly feature for a top team. He doesn't have the attacking threat/power for that, and his off the ball work isn't good enough.

I always thought that a top top player could be unlocked - and we were holding him back somewhat but I've come to the realisation that he's a good player, and nothing more.
 
Of course. He’s a brand new signing at that point.

Did you already negotiate future wages with Sancho? Any mention of how much that might be? I find it hard to see why, out of the goodness of his heart, he would take a significant paycut just to play for Chelsea.
 
Did you already negotiate future wages with Sancho? Any mention of how much that might be? I find it hard to see why, out of the goodness of his heart, he would take a significant paycut just to play for Chelsea.

No idea, haven’t seen anything reported either, but he’ll take a paycut to leave United. He was in an untenable situation there. But honestly even half of what he was on at United feels like too much, but I suspect that’s the bracket he’ll fall into, between 150-200k.
 
I also wouldn't call it a remotely great deal given his very public appalling attitude.

I guess Chelsea fans have had to watch the likes of Salah and KdB going onto become PL greats and think what could have been. Maybe they feel the transfer gods owe them one, and Sancho nabbed from United for a mere 25m will go onto PL greatness, while we all cry and think what could have been. Thing is, it's mere pipe dream. A crack pipe.
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Out of curiosity, given our problems finding a #10 who is good through the middle, would you take Sancho back if you had the chance? I'd think he'd do atleast as well as Amad in that role.
 
Absolutely nothing left of that Sancho we saw in Dortmund before we bought him back to England.
 
Absolutely nothing left of that Sancho we saw in Dortmund before we bought him back to England.
Seriously, who would have thought that this was going to happen, looked like we were signing a player that was going to be one of our stars for years to come.

We really have been unlucky with the mental side of some of our players.
 
We really have been unlucky with the mental side of some of our players.

Have we? There are very few players who go from hard working fighters to lazy flans. Sanchos temperament was known. You don't buy players for a huge sum of money with question marks over their attitudes and behaviour. This is why.