its a shame about Silvestre

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He is finally starting to show how he is a great talent..His attacking play is making Giggs look ordinary.

Silvestre has started this season very impressivley and he seems to be finding the balance in defending and attacking....Its worrying me that he is not signed a new contract and we are looking to bring in a new left back.

He should be persuaded to stay considering how well he is doing at the moment. :(
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Bit early in the season to say that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

we'll i think classyred is basing his statements on last season as well...
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going forward he's great! when we see him go 5-10 games without making a defensive bigpoo, then he'll be class favourite. he always remionded me oa particularly naive roberto carlos on steroids. hes fast and strong, and has a french trick or two. he'd put pressure on giggs as LW if SAF could brainwash him out of this erotic thing he has with playing CB. he is addicted to the gasp of the crowd as he gifts a 20 mil pound striker a free shot at goal from 10 yards. the camera should watch his pants closely after howlers like agaianst PSV (i know some time ago now). hes a frustrating player you could say. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 
I can't see him not signing a new contract. especially now the Escude deal look like it has fallen through.
He's our first choice at left back and has been for 2 years now. He knows he's on to a good thing.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Bit early in the season to say that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I said it last year and I'll say it again. We have to re-sign Silvestre. He's getting better every year.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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He's getting better every year.</strong><hr></blockquote>

thats undeniable. he is getting better. so now he leaves to play CB for some two bit outfit.?
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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I said it last year and I'll say it again. We have to re-sign Silvestre. He's getting better every year.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree. I think he is already our best full back now.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Agree. I think he is already our best full back now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

theres no doubting that anymore. He's strong, quick, good in the air and can attack with great purpose. Lapses are becoming rarer from him too, thankfully he's so quick his pace usually recovers him from most mistakes.

It will be an absolute travesty if we dont get him re-signed IMO.
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The entire thing is indeed a mistery. Did Silvestre reject a new contract? I find that hard to believe but maybe he wants to check out new options... I very much doubt Fergie would have taken to it though...

Did we not offer him one? Rather than sell him now or extend his deal? I find that hard to believe as well, with a fine player who's worth a few million...

Very, very wierd.
 
I suspect its partly his attitude that SAF doesn't like, as well as his tendency for unreliability. Alex's favourite full back was Denis Irwin, he rated him extremely highly, as I hope we all do, because he was so incredibly consistent. It all depends on what you want from a full back, and I think what Alex seems to want is peace of mind defensively first, and then it would be good if they can cross and pass. We've been linked with top quality left backs for a couple of years now, and yes, Silvestre is improving though he's still not the french left back, and was still making stupid costly errors towards the end of last season. The season has only just started and I see that his tendency to come to central is still there, though thats not helped by Giggs being the laziest midfielder we have when it comes to harassing, and tackling back, even more so now that he takes more central positions too. If we got Escude I'd quite like to see Silvestre at left mid and Escude as left back and see how that works, I think it might work very well.
 
Much as I like Silvestre's attacking abilities, I don't believe he can be a left midfielder. Coming from defence when you have a left winger ahead of you pulling at least one person away is one thing, but actually being that winger and getting chances created is totally different.

I think most people here would say Irwin was their most favourite defender. Mine too. But I don't believe the fact Silvestre isn't as dependable as Denis is Fergie's problem. Because he is still our best full back.
 
perhaps Fergie wants to bring Escude in for left-back and shift Silves into left flank.

Giggs will be pushed up front to support RVN.
 
Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>Much as I like Silvestre's attacking abilities, I don't believe he can be a left midfielder. Coming from defence when you have a left winger ahead of you pulling at least one person away is one thing, but actually being that winger and getting chances created is totally different.

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you make a good point Amir. Mickeys no winger. He's a defender who just happens to be good at attacking when theres a bit of space to run into.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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I said it last year and I'll say it again. We have to re-sign Silvestre. He's getting better every year.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, if you're very pony to start with itbain't difficult to get better and better each year is it?
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Originally posted by Dans:
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Well, if you're very pony to start with itbain't difficult to get better and better each year is it?</strong><hr></blockquote>
True. The thing is, all players are going to improve from when they were 18, but not all players are going to become great players, and there are some things they will never gain. Reading of the game for example is something that usually doesn't improve that much. Positioning too isn't something that you will start out shit at and then become top class at. Passing, tackling and crossing can all be improved considerably, but Micky's good at those - though he does hoof the ball too much, which again is down to his decision making. Its for these reasons that I think he'll always be unreliable at defending. For example, I don't think Phil will ever improve much beyond what he currently is.
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Spot on Neil - he's missing natural ability where positioning is concerned. He's also a bit clumbsy. Anyway, he's a decent player without doubt, just prone to error, although most are aren't they? As there appears to be a lack of quality LBs on the market Silvestre's place in the starting eleven seems fairly certain.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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He doesn't. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

And maybe thats a part of the reason France failed in the World Cup. Their inability to make the right changes to an aging team. I honestly believe Silvestre had something to offer their pretty stale attack.
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Originally posted by Amir:
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And maybe thats a part of the reason France failed in the World Cup. Their inability to make the right changes to an aging team. I honestly believe Silvestre had something to offer their pretty stale attack.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You'd have played him in place of Djorkaeff then? ;)
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Well it was a very stupid thing to say, very stupid.
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Well it was a very stupid thing to say, very stupid.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Donno... Lizarazu is still a good player but he's past it, I think. France was desperate for something to come from the wings in Japan and South Korea, and got nothing.
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Originally posted by Amir:
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Donno... Lizarazu is still a good player but he's past it, I think. France was desperate for something to come from the wings in Japan and South Korea, and got nothing.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thats m re to do with Pires being injured though.
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Quite, no Pires and no Zidane. I don't care who the back up players are, when you lose two quality players like that Silvestre replacing Lizarazu at LB is not gonna help. Besides he always plays at CB for France.
 
Originally posted by Dans:
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Well, if you're very pony to start with itbain't difficult to get better and better each year is it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I prefer to look at his first year or two as raw and unrefined. ;)
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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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you make a good point Amir. Mickeys no winger. He's a defender who just happens to be good at attacking when theres a bit of space to run into.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Take Bobby Carlos, he felt totally lost when Hodgson played him LW for Inter and that's how he ended up in Madrid. Whenever he is reminded of his attacking abilities being good for a LW he just looks like this :rolleyes:
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I agree mickey's no winger but he's developed a good understanding with Ryan, they work well together just as Gary and Becks on the right.
He does make a few mistakes at full back, and he'll never be a centre back.
The problem is that mistakes made by the full backs are to some degree due to the lack of harmony in midfield. We are not controlling midfield like we used to, this means the opposition are having more posesion and are putting our defense under more pressure. I think once our midfield find their feet we will see our full backs under less pressure
 
I think the biggest plus of Silvestre is that he is like one of those truly footballer who doesn't take an unneccessary dive in the event of the slightest contact by an opposing player. He is fast and is tough and seldom gets injured. I think most probably by now he has bucked up his English and with Rio Ferdinand barking from the centre, he would be more aware. If he is willing to abandon his wish of playing in the centre and concentrate in the left back position, he will definitely be one of the best.
 
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