Israel-Palestine | Genocide in Gaza
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No different to what Israel are doing. In fact, Israel is doing it on a larger basis (if you go by the % per population metrics).
In any case, I'm quite comfortable calling out Russia and Israel as cnuts of the highest order. Can you?
"So they broke away from 'colonial Europe' to where?"
So they broke away from 'colonial Europe' to where? And whom did they find already there? And what happened to those already there?
To forming a new country.
"And whom did they find already there?"
In the 13 lands you have to ask the British. The 13 colonies are the beginning of America.
"And what happened to those already there?"
Here we go, the true question. What happens to the population of a land, before a state is form there. The answer that you want to hear is that they died, killed, pushed away. This is that same on every land today.
I knew it would come to this. As a result I'm obviously not allowed an opinion so I'll stand down. Let's just agree to disagree then.
Agreed, one of them no less against a Muslim community (if what we're told from such reliable Western media to be true). I'm not saying we should align with China, just that we need to start thinking outside of the box which is running out of oxygen.
Would be ideal but it will never happen. While holocaust deniers have the weight of history of the winners behind and there is no contest, Israel genocide has all the western media behind and all the western governments behind supporting it. Also the victimization of all the Jewish historical prosecution that doesn't allow minimal criticizing because if you do, you are an anti-Semite. That is why that the only way that we have of now is relentlessly answer all the time. Obviously I have a lot of limitations when I do my discourse is not structured enough and emotions brings the worse of me. But there are many users here that are spot on over and over and I am so glad that they don't get tired of it
I'm going to defend the Guardian a bit here. That picture is of a live blog of current events, not an article. It's subject to constant updates and revision. It's true that it was poorly headlined, but it's also true that it's been revised several times since and now reads "Biden says killing of more than 100 Palestinians near aid trucks will complicate ceasefire talk." An earlier bulletin describing the same incident was titled "At least 70 people killed in an attack on Palestinian civilians waiting for humanitarian aid, says Gaza Health Ministry." Today we've got several headlines on the subject from "Middle East crisis: Germany joins calls for Israel to ‘fully explain … mass panic and shooting’ at Gaza aid site – as it happened" through "Israel faces mounting pressure to investigate Gaza food aid deaths" to "112 dead in chaotic scenes as Israeli troops open fire near aid trucks, say Gaza officials."
Alongside that we've headlines like
"Israel is deliberately starving Palestinians, UN rights expert says"
"‘They took our home, our land, everything’: Palestinians speak out against settlers on UK sanctions list"
Two days ago the blog was titled:
"Middle East crisis: Hamas ‘showing flexibility’ in negotiations with Israel but ‘prepared to continue fighting’ – as it happened"
I cannot detect a particularly pro-Israeli bias in the Guardian's headlines here. In fact I'm certain some of our pro-Israeli posters would take umbrage at the framing some of these headlines take.
Can I what? I said many times that what Israel is doing in the West B is colonialism. Israel is run by a far right gov that is deplorable and it's doing deplorable things. My main argument for why hamas is such a horrific entity is that is not only making life worse for the Palestinian people but it is pushing more and more people in Israel in the hands of the far right.
Honestly, what the absolute feck?!
It is a claim that the US along with the vast majority of nations is waiting on verification. But the title is made so as to sound like ...omg...
The Palestinian people are unbelievably hard done not just by war but by fake news from people and entities. They are used like a piece for geopolitics piece.
@Ekkie Thump I don't think they're pro-Israel but they are still using neutral language in most of those headlines describing what was basically a massacre of a starved people.
Israel says something else. Apparently the gun fire was from gangs of Palestinians.
Reminds me of the time Hamas misfired rocket bombed the hospital car park and the world accused IDF, declaring 500 dead straight after the blast.
It's a largely accurate title which forgets the UK. Of the 15 nations on the Security Council 13 were in favour of the statement; one abstained (UK), one was against. Certainly a much more accurate summary than stating that 1/15 = the vast majority of nations.
I heard it was a tunnel who actually shot those people. The weapons were provided by UNRWA.
Yeah, and inside the tunnel was a copy of Mein Kampf with all the worst parts highlighted.
Let us name the nations. Let us see, is there are one, or two free nations, or the vote of a family in power, mascaraing as a nation.
How many copies of sims 3?
Uhm, ok. Here are the nations that are currently in the UNSC: USA, China, France, Russia, UK, Algeria, Ecuador, Guyana, Japan, Malta, Mozambique, South Korea, Sierra Leone, Slovenia, Switzerland.
France, Algeria, Japan, Ecuador, Guyana, Malta, Mozambique, Republic of Korea, Sierra Leone, Slovenia, Switzerland, USA, China, Russia and the United Kingdom.
I spot a bit more than one or two free nations, whatever it is supposed to mean.
Some of those nations, with respect some support Russia so the are to be ignored at best.
Although I hold Israel ultimately responsible I don't think the term "massacre" can yet be used in factual reporting. I think they're using language that fairly reflects the uncertainty surrounding what happened. We don't know if there was a stampede towards the trucks out of desperation after which the IDF opened fire; we don't know if Israel opening fire caused the stampede, or if Israelis just mowed people down, or some, or even all of these. There's conflicting reports; some eye witnesses say many were shot, some say most were trampled, some say many were run over.
The fact the WSJ is reporting that the IDF admits to killing "fewer than ten" certainly implies they fired on a crowd so I tend to think that the proximate cause of this was Israeli gunfire killing some and provoking a panic. I'm also of the view that the overall cause was undoubtedly the Israeli deprivation of Northern Gaza and the ensuing starvation that forced thousands of desperate people to congregate around inadequate aid. This is me editorialising though, not reporting known facts.
When you yourself are so ill informed about it, why are you articulating such strong views about it? It takes the most rudimentary of googles to see the current members?
You've got it listed above now by multiple posters.
Removing the brown people who don't understand freedom of course and Russia and China, you've still got France, Japan, Malta, South Korea, Slovenia and Switzerland. And the UK who abstained.
So what exactly was your point?
Did Hamas also bomb all the other hospitals in the Gaza strip?
So you went from the vast majority are waiting for verification to "it isn't what they really mean"? Next you will suggest that they speak a foreign language, some have webbed toes and others are a bit too hairy to accept their fairly normal decision?
I know it's fake because you didn't write "terrorist organization UNRWA"
The US is ranked as a flawed democracy on the Economist Democracy Index. The ones that had a vote and might rank alongside or higher than this in your desired hierarchy of nations are as follows:
Rank order:
- Switzerland (8)
- Japan (16)
- UK (18)
- France (22)
- Malta (28)
- United States (29)
- Slovenia (31)
It's an improvement from suggesting the solution is to starve them in one of the earlier posts which went unnoticed.
In Romanian
What the actual feck?
These people should be banned or threadbanned, if that's possible. It's either malicious genocide enabling bullshit or misinformation.
I know that it's exactly like that. You stated that the vast majority of nations were waiting for confirmation. When someone told you that this statement was wrong, you shifted your point and questioned the freedom and integrity of the vast majority of countries, when you were given the actual list you pivoted to Russia being the culprit.
Now the big issue with this isn't your conclusion, it's the fact that if your initial post was even a quarter-baked, you would have gone with your Russia point from the start but you didn't because you had no clue that the vast majority of countries voted in favor of the proposal, you also didn't knew who the current UNSC members were.
And the font was in comic sans.
This is where I draw the line.
"This video is unavailable"
Yeah, shame. I'm sure it would be brilliant.
Airdrops are a far less effective way for aid to reach people. A couple of days ago, airdrops fell on the Israeli side and there are a lot of videos from other airdrops where people are gathering it from the sea.
"This video is unavailable"
Keni Thomas last band of brothers.