It's a difficult topic for obvious reasons. Due to our past, people are really afraid to voice concerns against the state Israel. As a token of collective guilt, Israel can do no wrong and people are really quick with the antisemitism label when someone does indeed raise criticism. It's all a bad sad, we of all people should know where turning a blind eye can lead
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it's not that big news, sad nonetheless, the guy was clearly unwell and needed support. Not sure what would make a person take protesting to such an extreme.
He’s sadly succumbed to his injuries and died.
Looking forward to seeing how the apologists will twist this one in their favor.
Hezbollah shoots down an IDF drone breaching the Lebanese airspace. As a result, they reply with this bombing.
They own the entire airspace in the region. The notion of breaching anything doesn't compute with them.
So a man takes himself outside an embassy and sets himself alight in protest and you think he is a rational person with no mental health issues at all. Ok
Like with hunger-striking, self-immolation is a fairly long-standing and well-established, though obviously extreme, form of social protest that does not necessarily imply anything beyond concern with perceived injustice.
not sure about that. He would have surely known that he risked death or life changing injuries from such an action.
That’s the point.
Wait till he hears about hunger strikes.
This is not a short list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_self-immolations
My point is anyone that engaged in such an act is not a rational actor and likely someone with mental health problems
You would be wrong then.
Thank God there was a cop on hand to get his pistol out and point it at the collapsed dead guy on fire.
I’ve read your posts here and think the same about you.
Many people have committed suicide as a protest over great injustices. Self-immolation is probably one of the most extreme ways of doing it and does draw attention because of how brutal the potential death is. There have been Jews during WWII who took their lives in protest because of the West's inaction to stop the murder of Jews by Nazi Germany. Were they also mentally ill, or does this only apply to people who protest against Israel?
The Arab spring actually started when a man in Tunisia set himself on fire in the streets of Tunis. Roughly 3 years later and Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Yemen all had their regimes toppled.
No I think anyone killing themselves in protest is a form of mental illness. Sets a dangerous precedent and should not be lauded
Well of course, countries aren't usually at their best after big revolutions.And these four countries are in incredible messes.
And these four countries are in incredible messes.
Which shows how little the world cared about supporting the Arab Spring.
Yes, NPR just updated it after the backlash.
Every day this type of attack happens.
And these four countries are in incredible messes.
Tunisia came out of it fairly well. Granted they're not yet topping any global indexes when it comes to progressive metrics, but they've adopted a form of democracy that seems to be functioning relatively healthily after deposing of a tyrannous dictator. The country is relatively stable too.
You're talking about the Israeli state here yeah?
Think you might have missed recent developments there, it’s unfortunately sliding back to authoritarianism under Kais Saied.
Yes I'm aware of such developments, but my point is they were a nation that enjoyed a relatively sustained period of stability coupled to a shift to democracy following the Arab spring, compared to their neighbours who were riddled with more instability. The Arab spring was a success for them.
I’m not sure it can be deemed a success if they end up right back where they were a barely a decade later, although I would concede that the development of a vibrant protest culture there seems to be a lasting legacy of 2010/2011, and in that sense the “Arab Spring” may be better understood as an ongoing phenomenon rather than a specific moment or era that can be assessed within limited boundaries.
Just looking at where they are now doesn't tell the whole story, and especially of the way many democratic countries did not exercise their power to help the Arab Spring.
