Israel - Palestine Discussion

Mike Smalling said:
Pretty remarkable. I'm afraid this is only going to be a footnote in this whole thing though. There are some major news outlets that don't even mention it on their websites.
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it's not that big news, sad nonetheless, the guy was clearly unwell and needed support. Not sure what would make a person take protesting to such an extreme.
 
Slevs said:
Looking forward to seeing how the apologists will twist this one in their favor.

Hezbollah shoots down an IDF drone breaching the Lebanese airspace. As a result, they reply with this bombing.
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They own the entire airspace in the region. The notion of breaching anything doesn't compute with them.
 
gfactor86 said:
So a man takes himself outside an embassy and sets himself alight in protest and you think he is a rational person with no mental health issues at all. Ok
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Like with hunger-striking, self-immolation is a fairly long-standing and well-established, though obviously extreme, form of social protest that does not necessarily imply anything beyond concern with perceived injustice.
 
2cents said:
Like with hunger-striking, self-immolation is a fairly long-standing and well-established, though obviously extreme, form of social protest that does not necessarily imply anything beyond concern with perceived injustice.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Silman

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu referred to the event as a "great personal tragedy". Israeli Minister of Education Gideon Sa'ar stated that "the act should remind us all of the everyday hardships of our society and of our individuals, and that we must be sensitive and responsive to the plight of others and assist as much as possible. The important thing is to understand the background of things, to understand the distress from which events such as this could derive and to be sensitive to it."

MK Shelly Yachimovich stated that "suicide is an unusual and shocking answer to difficulties and suffering, but we must not forget the context: the inhumane hardening of the conditions of eligibility for public housing, the unraveling of the social safety net until it has holes so huge that many fall through them to the abyss; and the struggle for survival of small and medium business owners. Silman's fate occurred largely due to the collapse of the welfare state, and the rise of a Darwinian jungle economy."
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2cents said:
Like with hunger-striking, self-immolation is a fairly long-standing and well-established, though obviously extreme, form of social protest that does not necessarily imply anything beyond concern with perceived injustice.
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not sure about that. He would have surely known that he risked death or life changing injuries from such an action.
 
My point is anyone that engaged in such an act is not a rational actor and likely someone with mental health problems
 
Thank God there was a cop on hand to get his pistol out and point it at the collapsed dead guy on fire.
 
gfactor86 said:
My point is anyone that engaged in such an act is not a rational actor and likely someone with mental health problems
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I’ve read your posts here and think the same about you.
 
gfactor86 said:
My point is anyone that engaged in such an act is not a rational actor and likely someone with mental health problems
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Many people have committed suicide as a protest over great injustices. Self-immolation is probably one of the most extreme ways of doing it and does draw attention because of how brutal the potential death is. There have been Jews during WWII who took their lives in protest because of the West's inaction to stop the murder of Jews by Nazi Germany. Were they also mentally ill, or does this only apply to people who protest against Israel?
 
The Arab spring actually started when a man in Tunisia set himself on fire in the streets of Tunis. Roughly 3 years later and Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Yemen all had their regimes toppled.
 
the_cliff said:
The Arab spring actually started when a man in Tunisia set himself on fire in the streets of Tunis. Roughly 3 years later and Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Yemen all had their regimes toppled.
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And these four countries are in incredible messes.:(
 
Denis79 said:
Many people have committed suicide as a protest over great injustices. Self-immolation is probably one of the most extreme ways of doing it and does draw attention because of how brutal the potential death is. There have been Jews during WWII who took their lives in protest because of the West's inaction to stop the murder of Jews by Nazi Germany. Were they also mentally ill, or does this only apply to people who protest against Israel?
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No I think anyone killing themselves in protest is a form of mental illness. Sets a dangerous precedent and should not be lauded
 
JPRouve said:
And these four countries are in incredible messes.:(
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Tunisia came out of it fairly well. Granted they're not yet topping any global indexes when it comes to progressive metrics, but they've adopted a form of democracy that seems to be functioning relatively healthily after deposing of a tyrannous dictator. The country is relatively stable too.
 
Kaos said:
Tunisia came out of it fairly well. Granted they're not yet topping any global indexes when it comes to progressive metrics, but they've adopted a form of democracy that seems to be functioning relatively healthily after deposing of a tyrannous dictator. The country is relatively stable too.
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Think you might have missed recent developments there, it’s unfortunately sliding back to authoritarianism under Kais Saied.
 
2cents said:
Think you might have missed recent developments there, it’s unfortunately sliding back to authoritarianism under Kais Saied.
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Yes I'm aware of such developments, but my point is they were a nation that enjoyed a relatively sustained period of stability coupled to a shift to democracy following the Arab spring, compared to their neighbours who were riddled with more instability. The Arab spring was a success for them.
 
Kaos said:
Yes I'm aware of such developments, but my point is they were a nation that enjoyed a relatively sustained period of stability coupled to a shift to democracy following the Arab spring, compared to their neighbours who were riddled with more instability. The Arab spring was a success for them.
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I’m not sure it can be deemed a success if they end up right back where they were a barely a decade later, although I would concede that the development of a vibrant protest culture there seems to be a lasting legacy of 2010/2011, and in that sense the “Arab Spring” may be better understood as an ongoing phenomenon rather than a specific moment or era that can be assessed within limited boundaries.
 
2cents said:
I’m not sure it can be deemed a success if they end up right back where they were a barely a decade later, although I would concede that the development of a vibrant protest culture there seems to be a lasting legacy of 2010/2011, and in that sense the “Arab Spring” may be better understood as an ongoing phenomenon rather than a specific moment or era that can be assessed within limited boundaries.
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Just looking at where they are now doesn't tell the whole story, and especially of the way many democratic countries did not exercise their power to help the Arab Spring.
 
Idxomer said:
The whole thing is insane.



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Kaos said:
Tunisia came out of it fairly well. Granted they're not yet topping any global indexes when it comes to progressive metrics, but they've adopted a form of democracy that seems to be functioning relatively healthily after deposing of a tyrannous dictator. The country is relatively stable too.
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Nah. They're back in the shit.
 
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