Israel-Palestine | Genocide in Gaza
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It's not new either. It kinda reminds me of European nations being liberated from Nazi occupation and then trying to hold onto their colonies with violence and war. For example, France with Indochina and the Netherlands with Indonesia.
Do anybody here still think western media and journalism is honest and decent?
Anat Shcwartz. This is one of the authors of the mass rape article in the NYT, liking a post calling for turning Gaza into a slaughter house.
https://www.nytimes.com/by/anat-schwartz
From a national point of view, they realistically had to, as neither the economic or military odds were in their favor and there was too much to gain by joining the other side. The Abraham Accords epitomize the ultimate betrayal, making a juicy deal with the enemy at the cost of your own "brothers".
I don't presume to know what every single autocrat in the region truly thinks, but siding with the winner or at least not opposing them when in an inferior position was the only logical way for them to survive and thrive under these circumstances. Gaza and the West Bank were out of sight for years, therefore out of mind. Major Arab governing assholes like Bin Salman in SA or Mohammed VI of Morocco thought that it was time for the next step and quietly close the ultimate curtains on Palestine without causing major protests among the Arab populations who currently have enough to deal with on a domestical matter. And signed the Abraham Accords.
Then Hamas, backed by Iran which had also a lot to lose, said "No".
Left with no choice, it decided for the politics of the worst to force the issue. It went on a desperate but despicable, murderous rampage fully knowing what Israel's answer would be, even betting on it, and played the good old rule in asymmetric colonial wars, "you can lose military battles as long as you win the opinion war on the international scene". Whether they will succeed or not remains to be seen, but the undeniable fact is that Palestine is talked about like never before and will continue to do so.
The status quo that prevailed until now and based on the Gaza being under blockade whilst the West Bank saw itself being slowly and quietly eaten away will never be valid anymore. Israel's actions and exactions are creating a rift in the western populations, particularly in the younger ones who aren't so viscerally attached to Israel like the previous ones and only see what Israel's doing right now. It might not mean anything now but the seeds of doubt have been sowed. The next western rulers will never be as accommodating the current geriatric ones are.
The two countries you mentioned had a history of colonizing what they considered as "lesser races", France in particular, which was very successful in dominating not only peoples in the Middle-East and Africa but also in Europe.
Both Netherlands or France never were as bullied and persecuted as the Jews were throughout History. That's not even close. Jews have had a target on their back since the Assyrian Empire. Rome ultimately broke them as a nation a couple of thousands years ago and they've never recovered from it until 1945. In between they've been a diaspora, regularly the subject of admiration, fear, and mostly hate in Europe, depending on the national mood.
It explains their absolute determination and hate towards any perceived threat their new found Homeland (generously given by the reigning colonial powers at the cost of another "lesser race", in order to get definitely rid of them) and they will do literally anything to preserve what they consider to be their God given own land. They'll use any means at their disposal to defend it. If you add to this a healthy dose of institutional contempt and racism towards Arabs, a gift of the Zionism which is incepted in the very early years of every single Israeli, you get what you see right now.
Sorry for the text wall, but I'm an old school guy who can't limit himself to the mandatory Twitter three sentences.
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Because fighting the nazis was not a fight against ideology but a fight against german conquest
A few leaks again about optimism for a hostage and ceasefire deal, mainly from Israeli/American media. Some are saying 6 weeks, others 60 days and there are also talks about Palestinians returning to their homes in the north.
I wouldn't be surprised if the parties involved later reject the deal or deny the leaks altogether.
I wouldn't be surprised if the parties involved later reject the deal or deny the leaks altogether.
Are there any homes left? It's a bit late for all this tbh. Especially when we have all seen plans for the redevelopment of Gaza for new homes for Israelis.
I saw a home in the north on fire after it got bombed this morning. So yes there are still a few homes left for them to go back to and get killed in them if a a temporary ceasefire deal goes through.
Germany is only 2nd to the US in sending weapons to Israel, they get 28% of their imports from there.
Ahhhh that's nice. At least they can get bombed at home rather than in a refugee camp they were told to evacuate to because it would be safe. Win win.. Lucky Palestinians. The Israelis are really looking out for them.
Unreal
And to think that people were hanging on the idea that Israel were nice to allow people move to the south.
Evil bitch
She served in the IDF air force intelligence.
Anything coming from the NYT or the WSJ in relation to Palestine and Israel should be considered garbage and thrown directly into the bin.
I have not seen one honest investigation from them in 4 months in regards to the war. All the Palestinian suffering and they try hard to whitewash the Israeli image.
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- https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/world/middleeast/israel-idf-soldiers-war-social-media-video.html
- https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/02/01/world/middleeast/Israel-gaza-war-demolish.html
- https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-al-shifa-hospital.html
- https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/gaza-destruction-bombing-israel-aa528542
- https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-ea...-most-of-the-worlds-hungriest-people-df62eeda
- https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israeli-airstrike-hamas-commander-civilian-deaths-3b6be664
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Yes hence the edit in my post. But still. They have not made an honest investigation in favor of the Palestinians. All their reporting that is in a way in favor of Palestine, is facts known via other media outlets that they themselves can not report in other form.
But narrative shifting investigations always feels like Israeli driven propaganda.
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I don't know to which extent non-Western media has access to Gaza but isn't access for Western journalists rather restricted? Hence the reliance on visual investigations.
That being said, one could definitely make the argument that major Western newspapers have been too timid on this subject, I haven't really seen frontpage-level criticism at the Israeli governnment for this restricted access.
https://www.voanews.com/a/media-weigh-ethics-over-access-for-military-embeds-to-gaza/7476768.html
I should have probably worded my post better. They have not made an honest investigative journalistic report in favor of the Palestinians. All their reporting that is in a way in favor of Palestine, is facts known via other media outlets that they themselves can not report in other form.
But narrative shifting investigations always feels like Israeli driven propaganda.
This is how subjugation and apartheid looks like.
Must add, Major writers for the NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/by/isabel-kershner
Isabel Kershnerher children serve in the IDF.
https://www.nytimes.com/column/david-brooks
David Brooks who said his son was right to join the IDF in an interview with Haaretz.
When Gazans themselves are sharing live feeds of their suffering and the Israelis are sharing with glee their genocidal actions, this excuse doesn't wash, IMO.
It's another piece of bull crap to shift away from what's really happening out there. No surprises the people using those tactics here.
Not often that I'm at a loss for words, but this has stopped me in my tracks.
I just got blocked by a lunatic on Twitter. Luckily I managed to remember what I was about to reply to...
"They are killing Hamas militants exclusively, and only killing civilians who are near the actual hot war. They are not killing "all Palestinians" or even "all of Hamas." They will be just as happy to imprison them should they surrender. Nor killing Muslims as a goal"
This is what we are dealing with and why the internet is a fecking awful place at times. This person also believes vaccines cause autism and other medical issues and refuses to get her kids vaccinated for anything. She has 5,000 followers too.
It scares me how people can think like this. I suppose the 10,000 kids killed were all on the 'hot zone'
"They are killing Hamas militants exclusively, and only killing civilians who are near the actual hot war. They are not killing "all Palestinians" or even "all of Hamas." They will be just as happy to imprison them should they surrender. Nor killing Muslims as a goal"
This is what we are dealing with and why the internet is a fecking awful place at times. This person also believes vaccines cause autism and other medical issues and refuses to get her kids vaccinated for anything. She has 5,000 followers too.
It scares me how people can think like this. I suppose the 10,000 kids killed were all on the 'hot zone'
I just got blocked by a lunatic on Twitter. Luckily I managed to remember what I was about to reply to...
"They are killing Hamas militants exclusively, and only killing civilians who are near the actual hot war. They are not killing "all Palestinians" or even "all of Hamas." They will be just as happy to imprison them should they surrender. Nor killing Muslims as a goal"
This is what we are dealing with and why the internet is a fecking awful place at times. This person also believes vaccines cause autism and other medical issues and refuses to get her kids vaccinated for anything. She has 5,000 followers too.
It scares me how people can think like this. I suppose the 10,000 kids killed were all on the 'hot zone'
To be fair when IDF leveled entire neighborhoods their argument was that some Hamas operative where in a room in one of the buildings and that the rest of the neighborhood was an unfortunate collateral damage which was accepted by most if not all important world leaders. Until the US wondered if IDF wasn't being a bit reckless.
So I understand her point.
RedCafé is the only sane place I found to discuss this matter and many others.I just got blocked by a lunatic on Twitter. Luckily I managed to remember what I was about to reply to...
"They are killing Hamas militants exclusively, and only killing civilians who are near the actual hot war. They are not killing "all Palestinians" or even "all of Hamas." They will be just as happy to imprison them should they surrender. Nor killing Muslims as a goal"
This is what we are dealing with and why the internet is a fecking awful place at times. This person also believes vaccines cause autism and other medical issues and refuses to get her kids vaccinated for anything. She has 5,000 followers too.
It scares me how people can think like this. I suppose the 10,000 kids killed were all on the 'hot zone'
Anywhere else would make one nuke the whole planet.
Biden campaign official in Michigan: Israel-Hamas war not likely to end 'anytime soon'
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...mas-gaza-palestinian-death-count/72660038007/
i think this means support for liquidating rafah.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...mas-gaza-palestinian-death-count/72660038007/
i think this means support for liquidating rafah.
That's what you get when you're imbued since your childhood with a divine sense of superiority. Nothing you can do is wrong and any perceived threat must be obliterated by any means necesssary. They show all of the signs of a heavily indoctrinated and militarized, supremacist society.
Beacon of light and only democracy in the region, my fecking ass.
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But Netanyahu is the problem.
Real life Starship Troopers