Not directly related to MSF to which I also regularly donate for years, but here's the report about the medical situation in Gaza from a Canadian-Palestinian doctor. A tough watch but worth hearing. It gives to "babies in incubators" a whole new meaning.
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Oh no they're disappointed, do they think Israel is a 5 year old to be tamed by a disappointed look?
Declaring them illegal is worthless rhetoric to appease a domestic audience. Will the US deem it valid for Palestinians to defend or retake their territory I wonder.
Look, the 2nd bulletpoint (bolded) is the crux.You have to understand that the Arab countries are in no position to dictate the fate of the region. Do you think that if they had the means, they wouldn't weigh in as much as they can in favor of Palestine? The popularity points they'd win would be invaluable for them.
The thing is that they can't. They tried from 1948 to 1973 and failed miserably. The most active and powerful Arab proponents have been either bought off (Egypt and Jordan) or totally dismantled (Iraq and Syria) ever since. From an Arab state point of view, actively supporting the Palestinian cause is biting more than you can chew, an attitude that can only lead to defeat, internal turmoil, and then downfall.
You also must separate the Arab autocrats from their populations, as they are both disconnected from each other. The Arab dictators play a high risk balancing act for their own survival, juggling between international constraints and domestic demands. They pay the minimum lip service to not be overthrown and that's it. Once you come to grasp with this, it becomes easier to see the bigger picture.
To keep it simple:
- Arab populations are overwhelmingly behind the Palestinian cause, no matter what. The Palestinians know this.
- Arab authocrats are only in favor if it poses no immediate danger and serves their interests of the moment. The Palestinians know this.
- Both are equally powerless to change the course of the events anyways. The Palestinians know this.
"Mr. Blinken said he was disappointed with the announcement from Israel’s finance minister of plans for thousands of new residences in Palestinian territories."
Whatever floats your boat, buddy. I love the new settlements are illegal.
Such thoughtful, much American.
It's pointless to keep telling me that they can't dictate the fate of the region as I'm quite confident I never argued that anyway.
Then allow me to ask you this simple question:
What do you realistically expect them to do?
Throughout the last pages I've been saying that they don't have the power to force a solution for the Palestinians. This question would be valid if I was arguing that they can but don't. Then the onus would be on me to explain how.
For me, the question is: could they have chosen not to engage Israel on several subjects such as normalization and arms deals? Or is this something they had to do? And how does that connect with the argument some experts make that October 7th's goal was to put the Palestinian cause back on the map.
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Palestinian arrests in occupied West Bank rise to 7,210
Israeli forces have arrested at least 22 Palestinians overnight in the occupied West Bank, including a journalist as well as two children, according to the Palestinian Prisoner’s Society.
Israeli forces have arrested at least 22 Palestinians overnight in the occupied West Bank, including a journalist as well as two children, according to the Palestinian Prisoner’s Society.
Think you mean there was no State of Israel. The Jewish nation has existed thousands of years, even prior to the birth of Jesus Christ, roughly 2000 years ago.
He means a Jewish state. Although there is a Jewish autonomous federal subject in Russia called the Jewish Autonomous Oblast larger in size than Israel itself.
It is not only disgusting, but also sad.
Blinken: that’s disappointing but ho hum.
Do anybody here still think western media and journalism is honest and decent?
Anat Shcwartz. This is one of the authors of the mass rape article in the NYT, liking a post calling for turning Gaza into a slaughter house.
https://www.nytimes.com/by/anat-schwartz
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From Freddie De Boer. Thought it was a decent passage.
Do anybody here still think western media and journalism is honest and decent?
Anat Shcwartz. This is one of the authors of the mass rape article in the NYT, liking a post calling for turning Gaza into a slaughter house.
https://www.nytimes.com/by/anat-schwartz
None of that is the least bit surprising. That's the reality Palestinians have faced for decades. Their subjugation is usually whitewashed in the West by their oppressors and their supporters in every way possible.
In Israel politicians are extreme right, far right, right, moderately right. No moderate, No left.
Not acceptable to the majority of Israelis....... Maybe they should think back to the 1940's then and have a little think about how their relatives felt when the shoe was on the other foot.
I visited the Terror museum in Budapest last year and it was fecking harrowing to say the least. The videos shown throughout the museum are very difficult to watch and for someone who has only ever known about the war through school, documentaries and films and some brief historical reading it hit hard seeing it in front of your face.
We then went and saw the shoes on the Danube which again has a tough history behind the sculptures. The city Is full of reminders, stories and statues that tell the story of the suffering during the war and especially the siege of Budapest. Of course that's just one city out of many where similar horrors took place.
It truly baffles me how a people who suffered such horrific events and one of the worst crimes in human history can now turn a blind eye and not relate to the Palestinians. It's like the kid who was bullied at school who then went on to become the bully himself.
Extremely concerning. With Ukraine politicians were quick to deny the geopolitics of it all and pushed it being a moral action about freedom. The choice now really is moral action or geopolitics, if they let Israel continue it just confirms the latter.
I don't think it'll stop with Palestine because the arguments Israel are making about total security demand action against Iran amongst others.
I know "every accusation is a confession" is almost trite at this point... but how many times have we heard, even in this thread, the tired point of "oh you don't want to accept Israel's right to exist?!?"
It's not new either. It kinda reminds me of European nations being liberated from Nazi occupation and then trying to hold onto their colonies with violence and war. For example, France with Indochina and the Netherlands with Indonesia.
Do anybody here still think western media and journalism is honest and decent?
Anat Shcwartz. This is one of the authors of the mass rape article in the NYT, liking a post calling for turning Gaza into a slaughter house.
https://www.nytimes.com/by/anat-schwartz
From a national point of view, they realistically had to, as neither the economic or military odds were in their favor and there was too much to gain by joining the other side. The Abraham Accords epitomize the ultimate betrayal, making a juicy deal with the enemy at the cost of your own "brothers".
I don't presume to know what every single autocrat in the region truly thinks, but siding with the winner or at least not opposing them when in an inferior position was the only logical way for them to survive and thrive under these circumstances. Gaza and the West Bank were out of sight for years, therefore out of mind. Major Arab governing assholes like Bin Salman in SA or Mohammed VI of Morocco thought that it was time for the next step and quietly close the ultimate curtains on Palestine without causing major protests among the Arab populations who currently have enough to deal with on a domestical matter. And signed the Abraham Accords.
Then Hamas, backed by Iran which had also a lot to lose, said "No".
Left with no choice, it decided for the politics of the worst to force the issue. It went on a desperate but despicable, murderous rampage fully knowing what Israel's answer would be, even betting on it, and played the good old rule in asymmetric colonial wars, "you can lose military battles as long as you win the opinion war on the international scene". Whether they will succeed or not remains to be seen, but the undeniable fact is that Palestine is talked about like never before and will continue to do so.
The status quo that prevailed until now and based on the Gaza being under blockade whilst the West Bank saw itself being slowly and quietly eaten away will never be valid anymore. Israel's actions and exactions are creating a rift in the western populations, particularly in the younger ones who aren't so viscerally attached to Israel like the previous ones and only see what Israel's doing right now. It might not mean anything now but the seeds of doubt have been sowed. The next western rulers will never be as accommodating the current geriatric ones are.
The two countries you mentioned had a history of colonizing what they considered as "lesser races", France in particular, which was very successful in dominating not only peoples in the Middle-East and Africa but also in Europe.
Both Netherlands or France never were as bullied and persecuted as the Jews were throughout History. That's not even close. Jews have had a target on their back since the Assyrian Empire. Rome ultimately broke them as a nation a couple of thousands years ago and they've never recovered from it until 1945. In between they've been a diaspora, regularly the subject of admiration, fear, and mostly hate in Europe, depending on the national mood.
It explains their absolute determination and hate towards any perceived threat their new found Homeland (generously given by the reigning colonial powers at the cost of another "lesser race", in order to get definitely rid of them) and they will do literally anything to preserve what they consider to be their God given own land. They'll use any means at their disposal to defend it. If you add to this a healthy dose of institutional contempt and racism towards Arabs, a gift of the Zionism which is incepted in the very early years of every single Israeli, you get what you see right now.
Sorry for the text wall, but I'm an old school guy who can't limit himself to the mandatory Twitter three sentences.
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Because fighting the nazis was not a fight against ideology but a fight against german conquest
A few leaks again about optimism for a hostage and ceasefire deal, mainly from Israeli/American media. Some are saying 6 weeks, others 60 days and there are also talks about Palestinians returning to their homes in the north.
I wouldn't be surprised if the parties involved later reject the deal or deny the leaks altogether.
I wouldn't be surprised if the parties involved later reject the deal or deny the leaks altogether.
Are there any homes left? It's a bit late for all this tbh. Especially when we have all seen plans for the redevelopment of Gaza for new homes for Israelis.
I saw a home in the north on fire after it got bombed this morning. So yes there are still a few homes left for them to go back to and get killed in them if a a temporary ceasefire deal goes through.
Germany is only 2nd to the US in sending weapons to Israel, they get 28% of their imports from there.
Ahhhh that's nice. At least they can get bombed at home rather than in a refugee camp they were told to evacuate to because it would be safe. Win win.. Lucky Palestinians. The Israelis are really looking out for them.
Unreal
And to think that people were hanging on the idea that Israel were nice to allow people move to the south.
Evil bitch
She served in the IDF air force intelligence.
Anything coming from the NYT or the WSJ in relation to Palestine and Israel should be considered garbage and thrown directly into the bin.