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Amir said:
You're giving her too much credit.

Her ability to think is limited to racism, hatred towards anyone who isn't jewish/is jewish but not on her political side, whatever her base wants to hear and serving Netanyahu.
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Not giving her any credit at all, like I said, I don’t know her beyond that she is obviously a racist/supremacist. But part of that racism is the belief that Arabs only understand force and power.
 
2cents said:
I don’t think it’s calculated to do so. I don’t know much about her specifically but Israelis who engage in that kind of rhetoric tend to believe that worldwide antisemitism (as they understand it) is the status quo whatever Israel’s actions, and that in the context of the Middle East mass displays of Israeli power/force/“strength” are the only real means to counter its effects. Particularly so when Israel has just been made to look incredibly weak and dumb.
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It's astounding how she is spouting off like a deranged TV news guest, or twitter user on their 16th hour of trolling arguments.

anyway, just remembered who ofer cassif was from that tweet. more than his refusal to call for a ceasefire for months, i think the most disappointing thing bernie did last year was not even bothering to pick up ofer's calls.
 
berbatrick said:


@2cents do they see it in their interests to increase anti-Semitism worldwide? They seem to be going out of their way (this+ all the stars of David in the Gazan ruins) to make the association between the religion anf murderous violence as prominent as possible, somewhat like ISIS.
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It is terrifying that these nutters have nukes.
 
Giggsyking said:
was he really referring to Palestinian children? Can he say that without consequences?
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He absolutely can, and he 100% meant it too.

A lot of these Republican takes on this massacre are pantomime villain levels of evil, but at least they're honest about it. I find that far less obnoxious than the Dems who pretend to care about the humanitarian situation on the ground, all the while working overtime to absolve, protect and enable the Israelis as they continue on their murderous rampage. AIPAC is a hella of a drug.
 


including this footage, which shows him detonating houses. He describes the detonation of civilians' houses as one of the "Coolest and most interesting things" that he did.
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Giggsyking said:
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Its fine, Geriatric Joe will sanction a few more settlers (who will laugh it off) and claim the US is already doing enough, all the while legislating to ban boycotts and ordering his UNSC rep to veto any resolution aimed at condemning said settlements.
 
Kaos said:
Its fine, Geriatric Joe will sanction a few more settlers (who will laugh it off) and claim the US is already doing enough, all the while legislating to ban boycotts and ordering his UNSC rep to veto any resolution aimed at condemning said settlements.
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Genocide Joe.
 
gfactor86 said:
Well yeah, Hamas runs their operations and data centre under UNRWA premises so they cannot be trusted
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Do you listen to yourself? They bombed people who are starving and desperate for food and this is your reaction? feck me...
 
gfactor86 said:
Well yeah, Hamas runs their operations and data centre under UNRWA premises so they cannot be trusted
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Israel seems to have stopped trying to show tunnels that they've found. You'd think with most of Gaza flattened, depopulated and in ruins, they'd be uncovering tunnels left, right and centre. Probably realised that they don't have to bother pretending any more.
 
Sweet Square said:
It’s appears once again Israel was lying
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Part of the assessment read as follows:

WSJ said:
In the new report, which was completed last week, the U.S.’s National Intelligence Council, a group of veteran intelligence analysts, said it assessed with “low confidence” that a handful of Unrwa staffers participated in the Oct. 7 attack, those familiar with the findings said.

A low-confidence assessment indicates that the U.S. intelligence community believes the claims are plausible but cannot make a stronger assertion because it doesn’t have its own independent confirmation. The U.S. concluded the claims are “credible,” a U.S. official said.
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Low confidence = credible = stop funding aid. Great job, good effort, carry on.
 
gfactor86 said:
Well yeah, Hamas runs their operations and data centre under UNRWA premises so they cannot be trusted
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I’m curious as to what you’d need to start doubting Israel/your preconceptions? Because they’ve said so many things that have turned out to be inflated or outright lies.

I’m guessing there isn’t anything but thought I’d ask.
Sweet Square said:
It’s appears once again Israel was lying
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VorZakone said:
Spox John Kirby when inevitably asked about this: we continue to closely cooperate with Israel and if we have concerns, we'll share those concerns.
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Ekkie Thump said:
Low confidence = credible = stop funding aid. Great job, good effort, carry on.
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I get that Israel is a strategic alley in the region but at some point there’s got to be a level of self respect from the United States.

Israel is routinely embarrassing them on the world stage.
 
gfactor86 said:
Well yeah, Hamas runs their operations and data centre under UNRWA premises so they cannot be trusted
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Sigh. This was proved to be yet another load of absolute bollocks. How can you keep repeating this stuff when there is no evidence to support it aside from the initial accusations that normally come right before somewhere is attacked or straight after it was destroyed. You continuously ask others for proof of what they post yet you constantly post relentless accusations and outright lies.
 
langster said:
Sigh. This was proved to be yet another load of absolute bollocks. How can you keep repeating this stuff when there is no evidence to support it aside from the initial accusations that normally come right before somewhere is attacked or straight after it was destroyed. You continuously ask others for proof of what they post yet you constantly post relentless accusations and outright lies.
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Was it actually false? Or was it exaggerated?
 
When you have to explain that you're not committing genocide, maybe that ought to be the moment where a penny drops and you say "wait...am I the baddie here?".

 
VorZakone said:
Was it actually false? Or was it exaggerated?
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The reports by media that found the claims of dozens of UNWRA employees working for Hamas to be false, it seems the claims about the operations and data centre are also unverified too

They allegedly found a tunnel network close to the building but there was no operations or data centre, and it wasn't directly underneath as claimed in the post I quoted or as claimed in many pro Israel media outlets. As with everything climed so far there is no irrefutable evidence and lots more questions than answers.
 
langster said:
The reports by media that found the claims of dozens of UNWRA employees working for Hamas to be false, it seems the claims about the operations and data centre are also unverified too

They allegedly found a tunnel network close to the building but there was no operations or data centre, and it wasn't directly underneath as claimed in the post I quoted or as claimed in many pro Israel media outlets. As with everything climed so far there is no irrefutable evidence and lots more questions than answers.
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I get that there are more questions than answers. But the pictures in this article about the data centers are...fake then?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/direc...rs-idf-uncovers-top-secret-hamas-data-center/
 


They need to discuss many things. This might be a good start to deliberate on:

“You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people. [Addressing the Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization Yasser Arafat]”
― Hafez Assad
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Thought this was an interesting read.

Arab States Are Giving Palestinians the Cold Shoulder. Here’s Why.

What’s noteworthy in this entire conflict since Oct. 7 has been the lack of reaction or response from the Arab world. Saudi Arabia continues to hold the door open for a peace agreement with Israel. The UAE, Morocco and Bahrain didn’t even withdraw ambassadors. Jordan did, but of course with about half of its population being Palestinian, Jordan has a particular problem. That lack of reaction I think is very telling. If you needed another example that Arab states are not viscerally concerned about the Palestinians and their fate, this would be it.
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https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...-states-wont-support-palestinians-qa-00142277
 
VorZakone said:
Thought this was an interesting read.

Arab States Are Giving Palestinians the Cold Shoulder. Here’s Why.


https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...-states-wont-support-palestinians-qa-00142277
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First it's important to quote the question " So far, Arab states have not permitted the resettlement of Palestinians in their territory. What’s struck you most about their response to Israel’s war in Gaza? "

Now why would anyone that remotely cares for palestinians right to have a state ease the process of palestinians losing Palestine? Because facilitating an exodus is the best way to Israel to take even more land. It's also worth mentioning that the amount of palestinians that have already immigrated to these countries is pretty significant, it's roughly the same amount that remained in Palestine.

The other thing is that the point made isn't one, at least not when you take into account the fact that we are not talking about a new context, we are talking about more than half of century where the nations that actually have power have sided with Israel, there isn't actually much that Arab states can do they hold no power, they can't bribe their way into a better outcome and they can't fight their way into one either unless they want to be absolutely atomized by a US led coalition.
 
JPRouve said:
First it's important to quote the question " So far, Arab states have not permitted the resettlement of Palestinians in their territory. What’s struck you most about their response to Israel’s war in Gaza? "

Now why would anyone that remotely cares for palestinians right to have a state ease the process of palestinians losing Palestine? Because facilitating an exodus is the best way to Israel to take even more land. It's also worth mentioning that the amount of palestinians that have already immigrated to these countries is pretty significant, it's roughly the same amount that remained in Palestine.

The other thing is that the point made isn't one, at least not when you take into account the fact that we are not talking about a new context, we are talking about more than half of century where the nations that actually have power have sided with Israel, there isn't actually much that Arab states can do they hold no power, they can't bribe their way into a better outcome and they can't fight their way into one either unless they want to be absolutely atomized by a US led coalition.
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The reason they haven't taken in refugees is because they couldn't care less about the Palestinians.

They themselves have expelled Palestinian from their own countries and have little desire to bring them back again.

Egypt have reinforced their border with Gaza. Again, because they don't care and don't want the Palestinians and Hamas flocking into their country.

It is far easier for them to let this be Israel's "problem".
 
JPRouve said:
First it's important to quote the question " So far, Arab states have not permitted the resettlement of Palestinians in their territory. What’s struck you most about their response to Israel’s war in Gaza? "

Now why would anyone that remotely cares for palestinians right to have a state ease the process of palestinians losing Palestine? Because facilitating an exodus is the best way to Israel to take even more land. It's also worth mentioning that the amount of palestinians that have already immigrated to these countries is pretty significant, it's roughly the same amount that remained in Palestine.

The other thing is that the point made isn't one, at least not when you take into account the fact that we are not talking about a new context, we are talking about more than half of century where the nations that actually have power have sided with Israel, there isn't actually much that Arab states can do they hold no power, they can't bribe their way into a better outcome and they can't fight their way into one either unless they want to be absolutely atomized by a US led coalition.
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I interpreted it not as the Arab states can't do anything but rather they are not interested in doing anything at all beyond rhetoric support. Obviously they wouldn't be interested in facilitating a Palestinian exodus. But he mentions how certain countries haven't even recalled ambassadors and things like that.

By the way, is taking in Ukrainian refugees also a way for Russia to take more land? Does the same framing apply there?
 
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