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RedTiger said:
My point was that whatever US or UK soldiers did it absolutely pales in comparison to the IDF.
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Yeah, I accept that, but I wasn't making that comparison or suggesting that. Just replying to the sick and twisted pictures and videos that the IDF continuously post day after day without any consequences whatsoever and pointing out UK and US soldiers have been heavily punished for doing the same in the past. Actually, I think when they did it they were punished for sharing the pictures between themselves and not posting them on social media like the IDF are.

Anyway, it's fecking sick and it's yet another crime to add to the long list of disgusting and depraved actions carried out without consequence while the world looks on.
 
langster said:
Yeah, I accept that, but I wasn't making that comparison or suggesting that. Just replying to the sick and twisted pictures and videos that the IDF continuously post day after day without any consequences whatsoever and pointing out UK and US soldiers have been heavily punished for doing the same in the past. Actually, I think when they did it they were punished for sharing the pictures between themselves and not posting them on social media like the IDF are.

Anyway, it's fecking sick and it's yet another crime to add to the long list of disgusting and depraved actions carried out without consequence while the world looks on.
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Yep, the mind absolutely boggles how anyone can try and justify or defend this. Absolutely it does.
 
langster said:
Yeah, I accept that, but I wasn't making that comparison or suggesting that. Just replying to the sick and twisted pictures and videos that the IDF continuously post day after day without any consequences whatsoever and pointing out UK and US soldiers have been heavily punished for doing the same in the past. Actually, I think when they did it they were punished for sharing the pictures between themselves and not posting them on social media like the IDF are.

Anyway, it's fecking sick and it's yet another crime to add to the long list of disgusting and depraved actions carried out without consequence while the world looks on.
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Whatever UK or US soldiers did, and boy they did some, their standards are still miles higher than the IDF's.

It's an easy feat since the latter has none when it comes to Palestinians. They snipe children, women, elderly and unarmed people. They bomb out a whole neighborhood (or a refugee camp) to try to get one guy. They deliberately target ambulances and journalists. They help settlers stealing and burning Palestinian homes.

There's not a single shred of morality to be found in the IDF, bar a few exceptions. It's a racist, colonial army that acts like one. What we see now is nothing out of the ordinary for anyone familiar with this conflict, it's just never been so well documented. I guess we can thank Twitter and TikTok for that. Small mercies.

The only difference is that it never makes the front pages in the western mainstream media and even if it does, the West just doesn't give a shit. You know, Palestinians.
 
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RedTiger said:
You don't think that the IDF is the most unhinged professional fighting force of the modern era?
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Sorry mate, I totally misread your post.

I fully agree with you. The IDF makes the Russians look like choir boys.
 
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That_Bloke said:
Whatever UK or US soldiers did, and boy they did some, their standards are still miles higher than the IDF's.

It's an easy feat since the latter has none when it comes to Palestinians. They snipe children, women, elderly and unarmed people. They bomb out a whole neighborhood (or a refugee camp) to try to get one guy. They deliberately target ambulances and journalists. They help settlers stealing and burning Palestinian homes. There's not a single shred of morality to be found in the IDF, bar a few exceptions. It's a racist, colonial army that acts like one. What we see now is absolutely nothing new, it's just never been as well documented. I guess we can thank Twitter for that. Small mercies...

The only difference is that it never makes the front pages in the mainstream media and even if it does, just like right now, the West just doesn't give a shit. You know, Palestinians.
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I don't disagree. As I said I wasn't comparing in that way, just the posting/sharing of pictures/videos and the consequences or lack of.
 
Western leaders embarrassing themselves, episode 80735950:

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Scholz is a clown... At least Merz (the leader of the other big party in Germany) is half honest. He is unapologetically supporting the Israeli regime while it commits a massacre. And he is not pretending to be giving Israel any advices.
 
That_Bloke said:
Sorry mate, I totally misread your post.

I fully agree with you. The IDF makes the Russians look like choir boys.
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Choir boys who flattened Grozny during the Chechen wars, after which the UN designated it the most destroyed city on Earth in 2002.
 
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VorZakone said:
Choir boys who flattened Grozny during the Chechen wars, after which the UN designated it the most destroyed city on Earth in 2002.
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If the russians would be in a situation of power like the idf that is protected by the west, the western media, they propbably do even worse. Butcha and constant rapes of ukranians and even its own mobiks, can give a faithful hint. Just they cant feck around the same as the idf bc they have a competent army facing them

Idf is like the SS in its own territory. No fear of any consequences over a hopeless population that consider inferior
 
That_Bloke said:
Whatever UK or US soldiers did, and boy they did some, their standards are still miles higher than the IDF's.

It's an easy feat since the latter has none when it comes to Palestinians. They snipe children, women, elderly and unarmed people. They bomb out a whole neighborhood (or a refugee camp) to try to get one guy. They deliberately target ambulances and journalists. They help settlers stealing and burning Palestinian homes. There's not a single shred of morality to be found in the IDF, bar a few exceptions. It's a racist, colonial army that acts like one. What we see now is absolutely nothing new, it's just never been as well documented. I guess we can thank Twitter for that. Small mercies...

The only difference is that it never makes the front pages in the mainstream media and even if it does, just like right now, the West just doesn't give a shit. You know, Palestinians.
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If you look at what the British military did in response to anticolonial struggles, then things are more similar. And this is an anticolonial struggle.

The British pretty much put the entire Kikuyu population in concentration camps in Kenya in the 1950s, and operated death squads in Malaya.

Colonialism dehumanises the colonised, and it makes the coloniser do inhuman deeds in the name of civilisation.
 
Pintu said:
Western leaders embarrassing themselves, episode 80735950:

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Scholz is a clown... At least Merz (the leader of the other big party in Germany) is half honest. He is unapologetically supporting the Israeli regime while it commits a massacre. And he is not pretending to be giving Israel any advices.
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Since the end of WWII, Germany's had a long line of great chancellors, true statesmen and -woman, despite their flaws. To have this fecking wimp as head of the state at such a crucial moment makes one want to cry.

VorZakone said:
Choir boys who flattened Grozny during the Chechen wars, after which the UN designated it the most destroyed city on Earth in 2003.
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You can add the war in Afghanistan in the eighties, the mass rapes in Germany in 1945... the list is long and the Russians are known to have a very loose interpretation of the laws of war.

However there's a level of institutionalized racism, dehumanization and sadism in the IDF that only occurs in armies of occupation, fed by a firm belief in oneself's superiority compared to the natives. And I mean by that, the good old school colonial countries from previous centuries, treating the indigenous populations as barely human in the best case and unleashing absolute violence at the slightest threat against the established order.

People need to realize that this is no normal war but a colonial one. The last one.
 
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Frosty said:
If you look at what the British military did in response to anticolonial struggles, then things are more similar. And this is an anticolonial struggle.

The British pretty much put the entire Kikuyu population in concentration camps in Kenya in the 1950s, and operated death squads in Malaya.

Colonialism dehumanises the colonised, and it makes the coloniser do inhuman deeds in the name of civilisation.
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Colonialism dehumanizes both sides.

Wars of independence can't be won by the coloniser. It's a lost cause, no matter how much violence is used.
 
Frosty said:
For someone born 99 years ago, Fanon's analysis is still bang on.
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Ah, I see the great man being quoted for the second time in this thread.

He's been a revelation for me as a teenager, one of my favourite writers and I personally consider him as one of the most influencial scholars in this particular field.
 


1. I was tear-gassed at school when I was 6 years old(the whole school).
2. My first classmate was killed when I was 8.
3. My neighbor was assassinated when I was 9. (I cried that day.)
4. Around 20 soldiers stormed our neighborhood and wanted to arrest me and my little brother for interrogation (I was 7 and my brother was 4).
5. They stormed our home more than 8 times (I can recount them to you as if they happened this morning).
6. They arrested my father and made me put my hands on a wall when I was 7. (It was at the Shejaia entrance, and I still remember my white sneakers.)
7. They shot at us while we were playing on December 22, 1992 (I was turning 8. I remember because it was my birthday).
8. They arrested my oldest brother when I was 5 years old.
9. I was forced to shower in cold water or very hot water because Israelis used a mechanical stone-thrower that broke all windows and solar panels (which we used to warm water) - that's why I hated showering for some time.
10. They woke us up in the middle of the night a few times. Once, I opened my eyes at the age of 6 to feel a soldier's boots near my head and his gun in my face (I was sleeping on the floor).
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I don't believe that any oppressor ever acted as the victim in the same way as the zionists.
 
The Corinthian said:
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Sorry but this is bullshit. While I agree, the current Israeli government have no interest in a 2 state solution, let's not paint Hamas as moderate. Their manifesto is for the destruction of Israel. They do not try to hide from this.

Gunning young people down at a music festival and burning families alive is not resistance. It's terrorism.

The Hamas chiefs live it up in Qatar and are worth 100s of millions of dollars. They've received enough international aid to turn Gaza into Dubai. Any money they received was used to acquire rockets and build tunnels. Nothing for the Palestinians. Not even bomb shelters.

There can be no meaningful change in Israel unless Hamas are dismantled and Netanyahu is toppled for a moderate government.
 


Nothing like some calming and educational books for you to read to the kids before bed. Obviously filled with metaphors and examples to help teach empathy, compassion, understanding, acceptance and inclusion of difference over hate and fear to your precious little ones.

Oh...........................

Absolutely fecking sickening. I'm ashamed to be human at times, and shit like this just reinforces that feeling.
 
langster said:


Nothing like some calming and educational books for you to read to the kids before bed. Obviously filled with metaphors and examples to help teach empathy, compassion, understanding, acceptance and inclusion of difference over hate and fear to your precious little ones.

Oh...........................

Absolutely fecking sickening. I'm ashamed to be human at times, and shit like this just reinforces that feeling.
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not the first dumb shit that Ive seen her tweet in another unrelated topics in the past. But goes straight to the top
 
gfactor86 said:
Sorry but this is bullshit. While I agree, the current Israeli government have no interest in a 2 state solution, let's not paint Hamas as moderate. Their manifesto is for the destruction of Israel. They do not try to hide from this.

Gunning young people down at a music festival and burning families alive is not resistance. It's terrorism.

The Hamas chiefs live it up in Qatar and are worth 100s of millions of dollars. They've received enough international aid to turn Gaza into Dubai. Any money they received was used to acquire rockets and build tunnels. Nothing for the Palestinians. Not even bomb shelters.

There can be no meaningful change in Israel unless Hamas are dismantled and Netanyahu is toppled for a moderate government.
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The hamas is a terrorist for killing civilians to force their objectives.

The israel is a bigger terrorist for killing more civiliana to force their objectives

There are reason civilized countries used hostage negotiatiors, instead of finding the terrorist homes, nationalities and playing lets kill a hostage 1 vs 100 a day and see who blink
 
gfactor86 said:
They've received enough international aid to turn Gaza into Dubai.
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Do you really believe everything you read online?
Do you know what it takes to turn a place into another Dubai?

Well, for starters, you need your own airport. Own seaport. Control over your own borders. Make your own trade deals. No wars. No military operation every year because you want to break free from their prison.

Then we come to the fact that the aid palestanians receive is a tiny fraction of any neighbouring state. It barely covers their needs

"The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) estimates that between 1994 and 2020, funding to the Palestinians totaled more than $40 billion"

In 26 years, they received 40b, that is 1.5b per year for the whole Palestine not only Gaza. Do you really think 1.5B will turn any place in the world into another Dubai. To give you perspective, a new old Trafford will cost united 2b usd.

So copying and pasting stupid comments from twitter is not a good thing in this thread.
 
Oh and the US intends to veto another UN resolution against them and the zionist regime brought on by Algeria.
 
Giggsyking said:
Do you really believe everything you read online?
Do you know what it takes to turn a place into another Dubai?

Well, for starters, you need your own airport. Own seaport. Control over your own borders. Make your own trade deals. No wars. No military operation every year because you want to break free from their prison.

Then we come to the fact that the aid palestanians receive is a tiny fraction of any neighbouring state. It barely covers their needs

"The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) estimates that between 1994 and 2020, funding to the Palestinians totaled more than $40 billion"

In 26 years, they received 40b, that is 1.5b per year for the whole Palestine not only Gaza. Do you really think 1.5B will turn any place in the world into another Dubai. To give you perspective, a new old Trafford will cost united 2b usd.

So copying and pasting stupid comments from twitter is not a good thing in this thread.
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Some of the Israeli propaganda points are so fecking dumb but some gullible people still fall for it.
 
One side gets enough international money to turn Gaza into Dubai whilst the other gets enough international weapons to turn it into Dresden suppose there's a medium there somewhere.
 
Giggsyking said:
Do you really believe everything you read online?
Do you know what it takes to turn a place into another Dubai?

Well, for starters, you need your own airport. Own seaport. Control over your own borders. Make your own trade deals. No wars. No military operation every year because you want to break free from their prison.

Then we come to the fact that the aid palestanians receive is a tiny fraction of any neighbouring state. It barely covers their needs

"The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) estimates that between 1994 and 2020, funding to the Palestinians totaled more than $40 billion"

In 26 years, they received 40b, that is 1.5b per year for the whole Palestine not only Gaza. Do you really think 1.5B will turn any place in the world into another Dubai. To give you perspective, a new old Trafford will cost united 2b usd.

So copying and pasting stupid comments from twitter is not a good thing in this thread.
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Fair play for actually responding to such a comically moronic comment.
 
Giggsyking said:
Do you really believe everything you read online?
Do you know what it takes to turn a place into another Dubai?

Well, for starters, you need your own airport. Own seaport. Control over your own borders. Make your own trade deals. No wars. No military operation every year because you want to break free from their prison.

Then we come to the fact that the aid palestanians receive is a tiny fraction of any neighbouring state. It barely covers their needs

"The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) estimates that between 1994 and 2020, funding to the Palestinians totaled more than $40 billion"

In 26 years, they received 40b, that is 1.5b per year for the whole Palestine not only Gaza. Do you really think 1.5B will turn any place in the world into another Dubai. To give you perspective, a new old Trafford will cost united 2b usd.

So copying and pasting stupid comments from twitter is not a good thing in this thread.
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My point is, you think Hamas has done anything remotely useful with the aid money? Anything to benefit Palestinians?
Or just some missiles to fire indiscriminately at Israel every day?

if the other ME countries had given an actual feck about the Palestinians they could have built something in Gaza after Israel withdrew from the area in 2005
 
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