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The Zionist/Israel are much worse.
People on here have tried to make Hamas ISIS like.
One difference the ones taking over land and killing indiscriminately is who?
Wrong. They just pretend they dont support it. I don't even think they pretend anymore
I was told that was an absolute lie and it's so far-fetched a few weeks ago. Also, read the following tweets.
It's a usual tactic by the pro Zionist lot. Deny deny deny, obfuscate, muddle and change the argument, give it a few weeks then they come out and admit it when we're all focused on the next travesty committed by those barbarians.
So, do we think that this version of Israel has a right to exist? Just to be clear, I don't think nazi Germany had a right to exist but obviously I do recognise Germany as a state.
@Amir . I recall that you mentioned that this was not true at all. Is the translation on this paper accurate according to the tweet?
I don't think any country has the innate right to exist. However every country has the right to live securely within recognised borders and is expected to adhere to international law.
Israel in it's current manifestation has to date refused to declare it's borders, continues to occupy swathes of Palestinian territory, and continues to behave in a way that is in contravention to international law. And as such it should be treated and reprimanded as a rogue state. We have no issue in the West isolating the likes of Russia and Iran and sanctioning them up to the eyeballs, so we should be doing the same to a belligerent and repeat aggressor like Israel.
Until Israel declares it's borders and exists alongside a recognised Palestinian state which enjoys full autonomy, then it should not be regarded as a credible state.
It's complex.
Good post.
Israel is weird. A bunch of white Europeans have moved en masse to the Middle East and literally stolen the culture, land, and way of life and are claiming it as their own. It’s a settler colonial project, and it should be called out as such.
Well. As much there is a lot of jokes on this. I find the conflict very complex. but describing what is happening right now no
Well, you've put that into far more coherent words than I'm able to.
Yep, like people said would be proven eventually
Since October 7th till now all I've seen is Biden doesn't support this, Blinken asks Israel to stop that. All we've seen is Bibi laugh in their faces and literally give speeches in public saying the US can't do shit to stop us.
If you say that Israel runs the US you're called a conspiracy theorist though....
If you say that Israel runs the US you're called a conspiracy theorist though....
More Anti-Arab and Islamaphobic hate in the US.
The plan of mass ethnic cleansing is moving forward and if Egypt lets them have control of the corridor, it will be the final step.
Even ISIS declared borders.
Interesting documents doing their rounds on social media. Actual documents with thumb prints and signatures of Jewish refugees given citizenship in the Palestine (that apparently didn't exist) stating:
"I swear to be loyal to the government in Palestine"
There is even one of Shimon Perez declaring this on a visa application
"the #ICJ will hold public hearings on the request for advisory opinion on the Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, from 19 to 26 February 2024 at the Peace Palace in the Hague, the seat of the court.
Fifty two states and three international organizations have expressed their intention to participate in the oral proceedings before the court"
Yes, but that was the British mandate in Palestine under League of Nations authorisation. So I wouldn't read too much into it. It was the British denying autonomy to both Jewish and Palestinian peoples, and the Government of Palestine was very much a colonial Government.
Did this get posted already? Apologies if so, but worth a watch if you have not seen it:
Good Post.
From what I can read, pretty accurate, yes. I'd say any sort of torture is implied, but an execution is clearly mentioned.
I will mention that the claim I denied at the time was that there is some organized mass execution. This seems to be a (terrible, vile) decision from one officer, which the IDF claims to investiage. Having said that, whether the story is accurate or not, it's quite likely there are others.
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Thanks for your reply
75% of the land was granted to Jordan. Did the Jordanians steal the land from the Palestinians too?
I think the only real solution would be for the international community to intervene, depose the Israeli government, disarm the IOF and deploy a peacekeeping force to the area for the foreseeable future. It's clear that Israel in its current iteration can not continue to exist, and something needs to be done to stamp out Hamas that doesn't involve a literal genocide.
It's never going to happen, obviously, as long as the US remains perfectly happy to see Arabs murdered for no reason.
It's never going to happen, obviously, as long as the US remains perfectly happy to see Arabs murdered for no reason.
Oh god you're back
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/joegarofoli/article/democrats-israel-gaza-18628071.php
49% of the democrats voters believe Israel is committing genocide. Only 21% do not think thhat.
49% of the democrats voters believe Israel is committing genocide. Only 21% do not think thhat.
How do you disarm a nuclear power?
Well either Egypt are getting ready to shoot at Palestinians (which I highly doubt) or lock them into Palestine.
Or things are escalating between Egypt and Israel and things could reach a boiling point if Israel do decide to invade Rafah. From what I'm hearing in Eastern media this is the most likely situation.
Sisi is a cnut but Bibi is the ultimate cnut. He’s forcing Egypt to take the refugees giving Bibi a carte blanche to take all of Gaza and remove any right to return for the Gazan Palestinians. It’s annother Nakba.
And the worst thing is that decrepit wanker Biden is watching this all unfold and doing absolutely nothing.
As heartbreaking and wrong as all of this is, I am starting to think that the only way the people of Palestine aren't all literally killed is if they go to another country. We all keep saying that surely at some point the US will tell Israel to stop, or they themselves will stop, but I think it's quite clear at this point that they are not going to. It is cruel and unfair, but in terms of what is actually happening I can't see how these people don't all die, and I don't just mean from the bombs, but the lack of food and water, infections, lack of medication (How are people on dialysis in Palestine even getting dialysis these days?) and all those other associated things around this, unless they go to another country.
I highly doubt that happens. They won't be allowed in any Arab country just for the fact that they know they'll never be allowed back in. If Israel attempt to do that it would turn the war into a regional war that Israel wouldn't win. (Unless the US comes along to save the day).
I reckon Bibi designates a safe zone somewhere other than Rafah that the Palestinians can go to, probably re opening somewhere else in Gaza for them to go to while they deal with the Rafah crossing. It's the only way they can get what they want and not drag in Egypt and Lebanon to the war.
I know it keeps getting mentioned here but no way does Egypt allow Palestinians in or Bibi to massacre them in Rafah.
You mean those Jordanians who for 19 years occupied Judea and Samaria (West Bank) and did absolutelly nothing to create Palestianan state there?