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Gaza death toll rises to 26,637: Healthy Ministry

The ministry also says 65,387 people have been injured in Israeli attacks since October 7. It says the Israeli military has killed 215 people in the past 24 hours.

"Decline in casualties".
 
VorZakone said:
Imagine having to over and over again condemn the rhetoric of your ally.

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Why don't the US stop sending them bombs then? Sick of hearing these useless statements that mean nothing. Take away their funding and insist on getting aid to the people in Gaza.

There is a video going around showing a member of their Parliament or whatever it is, saying that UNRWA needs to be destroyed. Lo and behold, their puppets in the West are doing their bidding. It's sickening.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
Hate it that Yahoo News are quoting a Fox News article, but it indicates that the list of countries suspending aid to UNRWA has now grown to 12.

Austria suspends payments to UNRWA amid Israeli allegations UN workers helped, celebrated Hamas (Yahoo News)

Now you have Australia, Austria, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the United States. It is serious when 2 nations (Austria and Switzerland) that are traditionally not geopolitically aligned with anybody are in this. As for Japan, they never feck around when there are allegations of corruption or misuse of Japanese money in aid or investment in other countries (like in Southeast Asia).
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Austria not geopolitically aligned. I take it you are being sarcastic. Anyhow, take a long deep look at these countries withholding their payments to UNRWA, check the old gang of imperialism and colonialism, countries that were behind two world wars and the death of of tens of millions.
 


Imagine they show up every day on your land, for 75 years, insult you in front of your children, dehumanize you, subjugate you, all at the same time you get the support of the western "democracies".
 
This cynical, timely discrediting of the UNRWA angle is just another page from the same scumbag political playbook as weaponising a far-right minority to justify "Denazification".
 
Wibble said:
There is lots of evidence and far from all from official sources. The Guardian is Palestinian leaning in their reporting so no way would they publish that based merely on Israeli official propaganda talking points.

The Israeli actions since the attack (and many before) are inexcusable and despicable. However, the Hamas attack was also inexcusable and despicable with murder, kidnap, humiliation and rape used as a weapon of war to elicit the OTT Israeli reaction that Hamas were seeking.
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Bearing in mind recent revelations at both NYT and the Guardian, are you happy to concede that the evidence of this occurring was flimsy to say the least?
 


The pro Israeli countries had to punish a UN related organisation after what the ICJ concluded.
 
4bars said:
Just to understand, Does this tweet suggest that these outlets receive directives from 1 sources and how to post the articles or that are just lazy and copy each other?
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If 4 major publication plagiarised from each other. Then we should all stop watching/reading the news.
 
Giggsyking said:
If 4 major publication plagiarised from each other. Then we should all stop watching/reading the news.
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I agree. But plagiarism is much better than *put tinfoil hat on* some entity behind the scenes telling all of them what to put in an article verbatim.

Either way is fecking lazy not changing a coma on the publications
 
rotherham_red said:
Bearing in mind recent revelations at both NYT and the Guardian, are you happy to concede that the evidence of this occurring was flimsy to say the least?
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What revelations are you talking about?

I think the evidence is extensive enough to make it a certainty that Hamas used rape as a weapon of war. Just as certain as Israeli forces not giving a toss about civilian deaths in Gaza (and the West Bank) and probably often seeing them as a good thing.

You can think that Hamas are murderous rapists and terrorists, and also think Israeli forces are committing war crimes.
 
4bars said:
I agree. But plagiarism is much better than *put tinfoil hat on* some entity behind the scenes telling all of them what to put in an article verbatim.

Either way is fecking lazy not changing a coma on the publications
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It's not tinfoil hat really, most modern journalists are nothing more than stenographers. If they get told something from a political source they print it., especially in situations such as this where it would be very difficult to prove anyway.
 
Smores said:
It's not tinfoil hat really, most modern journalists are nothing more than stenographers. If they get told something from a political source they print it., especially in situations such as this where it would be very difficult to prove anyway.
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I agree that influence is there. I agree also that in important moments that the narrative has to be set, like with this conflict, there are more strict directives, but exact paragraphs, I want to think is lazy plagiarism
 
4bars said:
Just to understand, Does this tweet suggest that these outlets receive directives from 1 sources and how to post the articles or that are just lazy and copy each other?
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It pretty much stenographs IDF press releases/off the record statements verbatim. Which at the very least raises questions as to how much we can trust this record.
 
4bars said:
I agree that influence is there. I agree also that in important moments that the narrative has to be set, like with this conflict, there are more strict directives, but exact paragraphs, I want to think is lazy plagiarism
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Now, I'm no mathematician, but I'd suspect the odds of exact paragraphs and sentences being written for the same story across two different papers are going to be quite remote. If that was the case, we'd regularly see that same phenomena occurring in something like match reports of the same football fixture, but we rarely (if at all) do.
 
Wibble said:
What revelations are you talking about?

I think the evidence is extensive enough to make it a certainty that Hamas used rape as a weapon of war. Just as certain as Israeli forces not giving a toss about civilian deaths in Gaza (and the West Bank) and probably often seeing them as a good thing.

You can think that Hamas are murderous rapists and terrorists, and also think Israeli forces are committing war crimes.
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NYT pulling their episode of the Daily podcast because of intense internal debate regarding whether the instances of rape even happened.



Then there's the questions raised over the Guardian's article which was essentially a rehash of the NYT article.

I've got no issues with saying some terrible things occurred that day, but Hamas have literally never done some of the things that they were accused of. They aren't ISIS, and the accusations that they are have come from the Israelis, who also consider the UN as an institution to be antisemitic...
 
rotherham_red said:
I've got no issues with saying some terrible things occurred that day, but Hamas have literally never done some of the things that they were accused of. They aren't ISIS, and the accusations that they are have come from the Israelis, who also consider the UN as an institution to be antisemitic...
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The evidence isn't just from propaganda sources though. There are videos and photos of dead or dying women, half/totally naked and often bleeding from the groin, and enough independent evidence to make it far more than propaganda. Women weren't naked from the waist down and bleeding for no reason, before being killed. Which of course doesn't mean that the Israeli authorities won't exaggerate it even further (if this is possible) and use it to further inflame public opinion, so that they can continue to have more or less free reign in the Gaza offensive.
 
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Wibble said:
The evidence isn't just from propaganda sources though. There are videos and photos of dead or dying women, half/totally naked and often bleeding from the groin, and enough independent evidence to make it far more than propaganda. Women weren't naked from the waist down and bleeding for no reason, before being killed. Which of course doesn't mean that the Israeli authorities won't exaggerate it even further (if this is possible) and use it to further inflame public opinion, so that they can continue to have more or less free reign in the Gaza offensive.
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You seem to be more sure than the NYT who actually published the story. Can I ask why this is?
 
Wibble said:
The evidence isn't just from propaganda sources though. There are videos and photos of dead or dying women, half/totally naked and often bleeding from the groin, and enough independent evidence to make it far more than propaganda. Women weren't naked from the waist down and bleeding for no reason, before being killed. Which of course doesn't mean that the Israeli authorities won't exaggerate it even further (if this is possible) and use it to further inflame public opinion, so that they can continue to have more or less free reign in the Gaza offensive.
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I agree to a point. But I don't think anyone has actually seen these videos you know, we're always told about them and how horrible they are. There is also always a source who claims to have seen these videos or seen these crimes in person.

Alas those latter sources always end up recanting their story or changing it.

I don't doubt some of the crimes claimed were committed but the idea there was a mass campaign of it, including some ridiculous immature notions of "playing keepy uppy with a severed breast" is pure fantasy solely to justify the subsequent campaign of genocide as you mentioned (free reign etc).
 
Wibble said:
The evidence isn't just from propaganda sources though. There are videos and photos of dead or dying women, half/totally naked and often bleeding from the groin, and enough independent evidence to make it far more than propaganda. Women weren't naked from the waist down and bleeding for no reason, before being killed. Which of course doesn't mean that the Israeli authorities won't exaggerate it even further (if this is possible) and use it to further inflame public opinion, so that they can continue to have more or less free reign in the Gaza offensive.
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Murder on Zidane's Floor said:




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This is the issue, there's very few trustworthy independent sources for most events in this conflict. I certainly don't think it's unlikely that both sides will have committed rape because it always happens in conflicts, that doesn't make the reports anymore credible though. Perfectly possible its propaganda and other similar events did happen.

Painting the opposite side as barbarians who will rape and pillage has been going on since the dawn of time. It's an easy story to believe.
 
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